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(85,987 posts)
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 10:43 AM Oct 2021

Great side effect of vaccine mandates

MeidasTouch.com @MeidasTouch
Vaccine mandates are making teachers who don't believe in science quit, nurses who don't believe in medicine resign, and police officers who don't believe in public safety retire.

I call that a great side effect.






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Great side effect of vaccine mandates (Original Post) bigtree Oct 2021 OP
Indeed! nt Wounded Bear Oct 2021 #1
so true markie Oct 2021 #2
I do too. spanone Oct 2021 #3
As I understand the local news, the mandates' greater effect is more vaccinations as Tetrachloride Oct 2021 #4
That's Not A Side Effect, Though ProfessorGAC Oct 2021 #26
The seriously unqualified are self-selecting out of their jobs. Irish_Dem Oct 2021 #5
Here Here, I think many are surprised to hear that some nurses don't want to tulipsandroses Oct 2021 #6
Thanks for your insights wryter2000 Oct 2021 #11
This reminds me of when I was in grad school at UGA. GoCubsGo Oct 2021 #16
This rad tech chimes in with you lambchopp59 Oct 2021 #20
same with teachers NJCher Oct 2021 #25
There's a huge difference between "I want to be a teacher" and soldierant Oct 2021 #42
I know a hospital nurse in a purple state: She said half won't vax. lindysalsagal Oct 2021 #30
True story cab67 Oct 2021 #32
** soldierant Oct 2021 #43
I guess your university wasn't all pedagogy for them Captain Zero Oct 2021 #45
K&R!! AmBlue Oct 2021 #7
THIS Traildogbob Oct 2021 #8
People like that are brainwashed: Their indoctrination protects them from other intolerable lindysalsagal Oct 2021 #31
Love it! it weeds out a lot of loonies from good jobs IronLionZion Oct 2021 #9
Good riddance wryter2000 Oct 2021 #10
I agree. I was at a biz function recently, seated next to a cop. Liberty Belle Oct 2021 #12
Yes! Martin68 Oct 2021 #13
Bottom line. Roc2020 Oct 2021 #14
The power of positive thinking ! Captain Zero Oct 2021 #15
Works for me. niyad Oct 2021 #17
Also company managers can get rid of "problem" employees FakeNoose Oct 2021 #18
+1 tanyev Oct 2021 #19
I'm all for mandates. lambchopp59 Oct 2021 #21
.... KentuckyWoman Oct 2021 #34
Did NOT see that coming! Aussie105 Oct 2021 #46
Vaccine mandates should be the main game in town except for repug murderers for profit. lark Oct 2021 #22
I agree Handler Oct 2021 #23
that gets my vote NJCher Oct 2021 #28
Ooh. I like it! dchill Oct 2021 #24
also, cops and health care providers who are so narcissitic they dont care who they infect..GONE!! samnsara Oct 2021 #27
May covid reduce their numbers MyMission Oct 2021 #29
For starters, those in the medical field dissing the vaccine... StClone Oct 2021 #33
Well worth listening to their pathetic bleats. Fire 'em all. marble falls Oct 2021 #35
That works for me! calimary Oct 2021 #36
That was before you could shun a shot to own the libs! nt Shermann Oct 2021 #38
Sheeesh! If you're THAT hard up to "own the libs," calimary Oct 2021 #40
Many said they have natural immunity and can prove it with an antibody test womanofthehills Oct 2021 #41
THAT is what I call a measureable improvement on 3 fronts. jaxexpat Oct 2021 #37
And also military officers who are inclined toward mutiny. n/t Mister Ed Oct 2021 #39
Damn straight. Ka-Dinh Oy Oct 2021 #44
Post removed Post removed Oct 2021 #47
So much bias in this.. FreeState Oct 2021 #48

markie

(22,756 posts)
2. so true
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 10:48 AM
Oct 2021


we don't need, WE SHOULD WEED OUT, teachers who don't believe in science, nurses who don't believe in modern medicine and police who don't believe in public safety... best for the future of our Country

Tetrachloride

(7,834 posts)
4. As I understand the local news, the mandates' greater effect is more vaccinations as
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 10:53 AM
Oct 2021

compared to more resignations.

The Red Team fears success of Blue Team. So i am happier to see vaccinations more than Red Team effects.

ProfessorGAC

(64,998 posts)
26. That's Not A Side Effect, Though
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 01:00 PM
Oct 2021

That's the intended effect.
Those that still won't get vaxxed are problems that the side effect eliminates.

tulipsandroses

(5,123 posts)
6. Here Here, I think many are surprised to hear that some nurses don't want to
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 11:01 AM
Oct 2021

take the vaccine. As a nurse, I am not surprised.
I worked with nurses just like this. Although in the minority, they exist. Some I’ve worked with, only became nurses because they thought it offered stable and decent income. They didn’t care about the science. Some got through school by rote memorization. They never learned or developed the art and critical thinking skills required to be be competent nurses. Again, these folks are in the minority, most of the nurses I’ve worked with are phenomenal.

wryter2000

(46,037 posts)
11. Thanks for your insights
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 11:30 AM
Oct 2021

Nurses are amazing people. We always think of doctors as important, and they are. But nurses are the ones taking care of you 24/7. ICU nurses saved my life.

GoCubsGo

(32,080 posts)
16. This reminds me of when I was in grad school at UGA.
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 11:54 AM
Oct 2021

Most of us science grad students payed our their degrees as teaching assistants for the various science labs. Just about all of us in the Biology Dept. did at least one round of Human Anatomy or Human Physiology, which were both requisites for nursing students. A friend of mine regularly did the Physiology labs. He would get nightmares of being in the ER after being in a car wreck, with one of his nursing students standing over him with a syringe, muttering, "Now, is 0.1 ml more than 0.05 ml, or less than?" I'm hoping the ones who were that dumb never made out with a degree, other than the "Mrs." degree that many of them were really after. But, like you, I know a whole lot of awesome nurses. That included my mom.

And, to be fair, I don't know how much of the "dumb" was actually a reflection of Georgia's lousy K-12 education system back then. I don't know if it has improved much over the past 30 years...

lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
20. This rad tech chimes in with you
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 12:29 PM
Oct 2021

Imaging departments rife with anti-vaxxers is exactly why my specialty is wide open right now. Even relatively brief instruction on antiseptic practice and sterile procedures, so basic, so "first day" instruction, truly makes me wonder how some "practicing" techs ever got through school. I've been so long fed up with those who dismiss the most basic of medical antisepsis as "optional", gee, I hope the door doesn't hit them on the way out.
The ilk that has these idiotic tendencies also were some of the biggest troublemakers I've ever had the displeasure to work with.
Perhaps they can all get jobs at some facility with loosey-goosey practices-- certainly would be someplace I wouldn't send my DOG to for care.
I'll be back on the "front lines" here in a couple weeks. I've made certain I got my booster on board first.

NJCher

(35,658 posts)
25. same with teachers
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 12:57 PM
Oct 2021
only became nurses because they thought it offered stable and decent income

Only became teachers because they couldn't figure out what they wanted to do. They were familiar with the job of teacher, having gone through grade school, high school, etc.

soldierant

(6,847 posts)
42. There's a huge difference between "I want to be a teacher" and
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 10:27 PM
Oct 2021

"I want to teach," isn't there. And it shows. Too bad that isn't part of the screening process. And there are other professions where comparable distinctions could also be made.

lindysalsagal

(20,670 posts)
30. I know a hospital nurse in a purple state: She said half won't vax.
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 02:07 PM
Oct 2021

That was months ago, so I don't know how many came around.

It just makes no sense to me when they're watching people die at arms length and still won't accept reality. That tells you how powerful their religion is, because this is largely a religious indoctrination problem, whether anyone admits it, or not.

cab67

(2,992 posts)
32. True story
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 02:59 PM
Oct 2021

I’ve always had mixed feelings about education majors. When I was a t.a., it seemed that for every ed major who was passionate about teaching, there were two who either washed out of some other major or picked it by default. I hoped beyond hope the latter types never became teachers.

Fast forward to my first semester on tenure track. I was teaching a vertebrate diversity and paleontology course. On the very first day, I announced that the entire course would be framed around an evolutionary family tree (‘phylogeny’ in fancyspeak) of vertebrates.

Just before the second class session began, a science ed major - not just any education major, mind you, but a science education major - approached me with a drop slip.

As I signed it, she muttered under her breath, ‘this wasn’t what I expected.’

I was curious. ‘What were you expecting?’

She hesitated. ‘Um…something less, well, evolutionary.’

I had no reply.

And the punch line? The course’s title was (and still is) ‘Evolution of the Vertebrates.’

Captain Zero

(6,805 posts)
45. I guess your university wasn't all pedagogy for them
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 01:57 AM
Oct 2021

I could never figure that out about ed majors - why would you want to take endless methods and pedagogy courses and possibly never take college level subject matter in what you wanted to teach in lower levels of education?

They did not seem like curious minds to me.

I thought I wanted to teach history at high school level when I went to college. Then discovered I did not have to take a SINGLE class from the History Department. I thought, weird, never mind. And I told the advisor too that it seemed weird to me.

I realized I had to be a liberal arts major.

Maybe things have improved in this respect. I hope.

Traildogbob

(8,716 posts)
8. THIS
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 11:06 AM
Oct 2021

Made my day. I had a co-faculty member that taught Wildlife Science at the college, had a masters in Wildlife Management from Tennessee. Now is back there as program manager and lead instructor. 100 percent believes every single species in the Animal Kingdom was on the Ark. He loved Bush, hated Obama, Christian. He and I bickered about Bush non stop. Thank God I retired, he took Tennessee job in 2012. Certain he bought trumps Jesus platform.

lindysalsagal

(20,670 posts)
31. People like that are brainwashed: Their indoctrination protects them from other intolerable
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 02:09 PM
Oct 2021

pain, so they'll do anything to maintain it, including die.

IronLionZion

(45,429 posts)
9. Love it! it weeds out a lot of loonies from good jobs
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 11:24 AM
Oct 2021

I was already vaccinated in Spring, but now my company has extended the mandate to everyone worldwide. Get vaxxed or provide a medical exemption by end of October or be terminated. This is so good.

Everything is better with fewer RW extremists around

Liberty Belle

(9,534 posts)
12. I agree. I was at a biz function recently, seated next to a cop.
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 11:37 AM
Oct 2021

The issue of racial justice came up and he was trying to justify what happened to George Floyd.

He's not vaccinated, and may soon face losing his job if he doesn't roll up the sleeve. We're better off without officers who think killing someone for maybe passing a bad bill is okay.

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
18. Also company managers can get rid of "problem" employees
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 12:05 PM
Oct 2021

... by the same method. Mandatory vaccination or regular frequent testing. Otherwise take a hike. Don't bother applying for work here if you aren't already vaccinated. This is happening more and more because companies should not be required to pay the higher liability costs for unvaccinated employees.

lark

(23,093 posts)
22. Vaccine mandates should be the main game in town except for repug murderers for profit.
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 12:36 PM
Oct 2021

If Regeneron hadn't come along for them to profiteer off of, and that drove them to try to make people sick so they would use this right wing asshole' product, what would they have done? I think the Regeneron was a great feature for them, get millions of people sick & profit from their treatment, and it actually works. I'm guessing they would have just stuck to the hydroxychloroquine and invermectin killers and not changed anything about their mask idiocy. They still want to kill off the working class, not caring tht they are killing more of them than us. We don't matter anymore with states having policies that their legislature just gets to kick all Democratic winners to the door so how we vote doesn't concern them. They intend to steal enough races to overturn our countries will and to steal the working classes money, starting with social security, medicare and medicaid.

Handler

(336 posts)
23. I agree
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 12:44 PM
Oct 2021

I see it as a great way to cull the dim witted and folks with a malfunctioning judgment processes.

MyMission

(1,850 posts)
29. May covid reduce their numbers
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 01:41 PM
Oct 2021

And may their refusal to be vaccinated remove them from jobs they shouldn't hold.

I saw an interesting story about a nurse who refuses to get vaccinated, claiming she is advocating, as she was tought, for patients rights to decide their own treatment and care. She was protesting outside the hospital that she will be leaving because of the mandate. She didn't acknowledge the public health risk, which is what a lot of these selfish antivaxers don't do either.
That risk can and does supercede individual choice. And when covid hits their friends and family some change their tune, advocate for the vaccine. But many just consider it God's plan, another angel watching them from heaven.

Mandates will hopefully force many to get vaccinated, but they will also "force" those who refuse to leave their jobs, which is a great side effect.

StClone

(11,683 posts)
33. For starters, those in the medical field dissing the vaccine...
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 03:32 PM
Oct 2021

...are like Life Guards who don't believe in swimming.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
36. That works for me!
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 05:35 PM
Oct 2021

I just can’t wrap my brain around the idea of ANY health-related professional NOT getting a COVID vaccine! I bet they all did get shots for flu and polio and any other vaccinations that have come along.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
40. Sheeesh! If you're THAT hard up to "own the libs,"
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 10:04 PM
Oct 2021

I’m sorry, but you’re just totally pathetic. That makes you a CERTIFIED loser.

womanofthehills

(8,698 posts)
41. Many said they have natural immunity and can prove it with an antibody test
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 10:05 PM
Oct 2021

This is allowed in Europe for a vaxx passport. New studies coming out saying natural antibodies are long lasting and might even be superior. Many nurses risked their life early on when we knew little about the virus. Those that have natural antibodies from this time want the government to recognize this.



It’s okay to have an incorrect scientific hypothesis. But when new data proves it wrong, you have to adapt. Unfortunately, many elected leaders and public health officials have held on far too long to the hypothesis that natural immunity offers unreliable protection against covid-19 — a contention that is being rapidly debunked by science.

More than 15 studies have demonstrated the power of immunity acquired by previously having the virus. A 700,000-person study from Israel two weeks ago found that those who had experienced prior infections were 27 times less likely to get a second symptomatic covid infection than those who were vaccinated. This affirmed a June Cleveland Clinic study of health-care workers (who are often exposed to the virus), in which none who had previously tested positive for the coronavirus got reinfected. The study authors concluded that “individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from covid-19 vaccination.” And in May, a Washington University study found that even a mild covid infection resulted in long-lasting immunity.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/09/15/natural-immunity-vaccine-mandate/


Response to bigtree (Original post)

FreeState

(10,570 posts)
48. So much bias in this..
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 04:19 PM
Oct 2021

While I agree I find the framing problematic.


teachers quit
nurses resign
police officers retire

Seriously? That’s some bs bias right there.

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