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Multiple reports confirmed that the president's message was clear. The bipartisan infrastructure bill that passed the Senate in August isn't going to pass the House until there's a deal within the Democratic Party on the reconciliation bill which includes a slew of tax increases and social program spending that progressives are demanding.
What this means in the short term is that the more conservative Democrats including Sinema and Manchin, but also some House members such as Rep. Josh Gottheimer of New Jersey aren't getting their way. They wanted the bipartisan infrastructure bill to pass the House and become law before the formal negotiations began on the reconciliation package.
Manchin, Sinema, and Gottheimer seemed genuinely surprised that their plan didn't work. But there's no reason for shock. The congressional progressives and the Democratic leadership made clear from the start that they viewed both bills as an inseparable pair the "two-track process," as it was called. Everyone was aware of this despite Manchin's later claims of ignorance. This process was the reason progressives tolerated the conservatives' efforts during the spring and summer to work extensively with Republicans to get bipartisan agreement in the Senate on the infrastructure bill.
https://www.rawstory.com/manchin-sinema/
marble falls
(57,063 posts)... and Manchin a way to give in without looking like caving.
President Biden will get the the absolute biggest part of their budget and WVA will be one of the biggest beneficiaries of infrastructure improvements and repairs, and a stump to stand on for his re-election.
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)Good for the whole nation.
Marcuse
(7,472 posts)Beastly Boy
(9,283 posts)Hmmm... maybe that's what Manchin is concerned about, no?
marble falls
(57,063 posts)... his message gets out.
IronLionZion
(45,410 posts)marble falls
(57,063 posts)llashram
(6,265 posts)help on this tip...I hope
Irish_Dem
(46,842 posts)All of his mouthing off made them happy.
Now he can play the victim card with them.
And hero to his constituents.
Win win.
in2herbs
(2,945 posts)states that pay more into the government pot get more funding. This will leave the R states will less govt $$ but it's a lesson their voters need to learn -- you only get what you pay for.
Did I read the other day that the Rs in Congress voted against providing relief to states that were damaged in the hurricanes and flooding?
Also I heard the other day that if Biden settled for 1.5T if the length of time, 3-4 years instead of 10 were offered that the BBB might pass. This would be fine if the Ds would then emphasize during the election cycles that more Ds are needing to be elected in order to get the entire BBB agenda to the American people.
BumRushDaShow
(128,737 posts)That included fucking Teabagger Toomey from here in PA where a bunch of counties here were declared disaster areas after the flooding and tornadoes caused by the remnants of Hurricane Ida (including my own city of Philadelphia). We had an interstate highway that runs below street level and goes across the city, that filled up with 15ft of water and literally become a "canal".
Thankfully there were "only" 15 GOP idiots who voted against the C.R. with the emergency funding, and it passed anyway.
cstanleytech
(26,278 posts)own 1% and large corporations inside their own state.
That way states cannot lure people or corporations to their states with low state taxes to boost their amount in federal taxes that they contribute so as to rig the system in their favor.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)Pas-de-Calais
(9,904 posts)Whos on First routine
I dont know what the heck is going on anymore
I thought I did, last week, but now nothing
Can Anyone explain it to me like Im a 5 year old??
Irish_Dem
(46,842 posts)Tells everyone to shut the hell up and make nice with each other.
Playground settles down and every one gets to work.
Bullies retreat. Progressives get the calculators out.
Pas-de-Calais
(9,904 posts)Now what package gonna look like
Cost
Stuff inside
Guess we gotta wait
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)We all knew Biden and Pelosi were always absolutely committed to passing both bills. Pelosi indicated from the very beginning that the bipartisan bill would not be allowed out of the house without passage of the big one. Whatever the subsequent plays, it was always obvious that we COULD NOT pass the smaller bipartisan bill without putting the big one in grave jeopardy. Work, btw, that lifetime-progressive Pelosi described as possibly the "culmination" of her career. (What was the actual word she used? ).
They've all apparently played out this phase of the positioning and negotiation, Manchin's indicated a "preference" for $1.5T, meaning he'll go up, senate Democrats are playing down the idea of a confrontational cliff that the media have been promoting, and everyone's working overtime on reworking details for the next go-round.
stopdiggin
(11,292 posts)We need both pieces. Now get back in there and hammer it out.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)demonstrate who liberal Democrats are and what we stand for. And, even more, that they and those who do not consider themselves liberal Democrats intersect on beliefs and goals far, far more than not.
To be a liberal Democrat is to be progressive. This time I think everyone can see that.
The differences among progressives are almost always how much is desirable and at what point, or if, Dems should throw down their cards and walk away rather than compromise (at all, or further).
Olestro
(135 posts)Sinema is the Ted Cruz of the Dems.
dianaredwing
(406 posts)as a compliment.
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)If he says 1.5 trillion pass it. Let Joe Biden lead.
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)Joe Biden gets to make the final decision. Everybody else needs to shut up and vote for Joe Biden's final decision.
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)Her billionaire backers have bought her vote, and she doesn't give a damn about anything other than the color of the walls in the office they have waiting for her after she leaves Congress. She will fuck the whole nation rather than give up her token spot on Price's boards.
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)Do you have a question regarding my post? Can you phrase it so that I can explain to you what the problem with sinema's vote is?
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)She first ran as a Green candidate, then moved to the right as she was easily wooed by lobby interests. She is in over her head and has no idea what she should stand for or how to do anything. She is not bright, and she is being befriended by the right. Not the politicians, but by the corporate and moneyed interests that don't want to pay taxes on the money they steal from workers and honest people.
She goes on outings and fund raisers paid for by Bill Price (hedge funds). It seems obvious to me that she has agreed to stop the Biden agenda in favor of big money. She is not interested in what her constituents think because she does not plan on running again, knowing that she would be primaried out easily. I believe that Price and others have promised her board seats and high salaried jobs if she does their bidding.
I hate being so pessimistic, but I think unless Democrats can get at least one republican vote, any form of meaningful legislation is doomed because of sinema. If she votes with Biden, she loses her big money friends. If she kills the Biden agenda, she lives in luxury for the rest of her life. I think she has made her decision.