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demmiblue

(36,824 posts)
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 02:42 PM Oct 2021

Progressives hit back after moderates take aim at Pelosi

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) and other House Democrats on Saturday responded to their moderate colleagues who took aim at Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) for not bringing the $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure package to the floor for a vote this week.

“The Speaker didn’t break any promises,” Ocasio-Cortez tweeted Saturday after Rep. Josh Gottheimer (D-N.J.) accused Pelosi of breaking a promise to House moderates.

“The arbitrary date 9 people insisted on was in the Aug rule vote to proceed on a $3.5T bill. That bound $3.5T w/ Sept date. Challenging $3.5 also challenged their date. That’s ok! Right > rushed. We can still Build Back Better… together!” Ocasio-Cortez added.

Gottheimer went after Pelosi late Friday for delaying the vote on the bipartisan bill amid threats from House progressives to withhold support until the larger “human infrastructure” proposal was passed.

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President Biden visited House Democrats on Friday, during which he made it clear that the reconciliation bill and infrastructure bill were linked, sealing the win for progressives who wanted the two measures passed together.

After the meeting, Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney (D-N.Y.) tweeted “this afternoon @POTUS stood with @SpeakerPelosi and 95% of the @HouseDemocrats and said the opposite: that his historic vision for America first requires a Build Back Better reconciliation deal. That’s the way a bipartisan infrastructure bill will win the votes to become law.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/575012-progressives-hit-back-after-moderates-take-aim-at-pelosi
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Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
1. If I wanted to destroy the Democratic Party I would plant someone in it who would prevent
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 02:46 PM
Oct 2021

the party from accomplishing anything and even worse, maybe someone who could single handed cause the economy and market to crash.

I know who I think might fit that description in the Senate but not sure who in the House.

I am annoyed as fuck that we wont get 3.5 but isnt the 1.2 they are discussing STILL the BIGGEST in history?

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
3. Remarkable, isnt it, that 96% of the DNC supports the bills and raising the debt
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 02:53 PM
Oct 2021

ceiling, ZERO percent of the GOP does either, and the Dems will take most of the blame if either doesnt happen.

This is why we are broken and cant be fixed, one example of why.

Scrivener7

(50,918 posts)
5. This. And smile while they do it and say to their constituents, "See how united Democrats are?
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 03:05 PM
Oct 2021

This is a historic bill. It has historically large benefits for you directly. It is not paid for with debt or with increase in taxes to you. This is how strong and effective Democrats are. This is why you should vote for us in 2022 and 2024."

I know we have lots of disagreements among us. It's time to pretend to the average uninformed voter that we are a united, unstoppable juggernaut.

brush

(53,743 posts)
6. It is the biggest in history but because matters have been delayed...
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 03:07 PM
Oct 2021

for generations, it's not nearly enough, thus the second and larger bill.

I get who you mean in the Senate. It seems there are a few House moderates who didn't get they're way and are now whining. Whining at the Speaker when the President, from our very own party, is the one who asked for the delay in voting.

Do they actually expect the Speaker to buck the President's request?

Just silly.

A delay brings down the temperature and pressure and gives more time to negotiate and get to numbers everyone can live with on the larger bill.

brush

(53,743 posts)
10. You know they will. They'll be there for all the ribbon-cutting...
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 04:39 PM
Oct 2021

photo-op ceremonies when projects get started.

brush

(53,743 posts)
4. What a ridiculous notion from a moderate Dem that the Speaker...
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 02:59 PM
Oct 2021

is going to buck the President, from her own party, who asked for the delay.

Do these people even hear themselves? Or should I ask do they even think before opening their mouths?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. Gottheimer is CONSERVATIVE, one of the 19 members of the BlueDog Caucus.
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 04:22 PM
Oct 2021

He is probably a moderate conservative, but he absolutely is not representative of the nearly 200 liberal members of our two largest (again, liberal!) house caucuses.

jimfields33

(15,703 posts)
11. Shit. Only 3 of those 19 have to vote no to toss the whole thing.
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 04:40 PM
Oct 2021

This is a very fine line everyone in leadership has to walk.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. Yes, their job to handle. Those smearing them and house Dems
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 06:12 PM
Oct 2021

as "moderates" by conflating them with house conservatives are not within their ability to control.

no_hypocrisy

(46,031 posts)
13. Bergen County (NJ) *could have* elected a PROGRESSIVE during the primaries last year,
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 06:05 AM
Oct 2021

but didn't.

Gottheimer is a re-run of Scott Garrett without the Trumpier-Than-Trump issues.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
14. No it couldn't have
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 06:57 AM
Oct 2021

That isn’t a district where winning the primary equals effectively winning the seat. It’s an R+1 district that Trump won.

They didn’t have to elect someone who would act as a roadblock to a democratic president’s agenda… but they couldn’t get a progressive elected.

Nominating Kreibich would have meant electing the republican.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. But the majority chose trumpier than tRump. That says something,
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 08:52 AM
Oct 2021

and the wishes of the same voters have to be considered as we rush toward the 2022 midterms.

At least we can hope that by then more of them will have seen that these bills, extremely popular with many of them, and others like election reforms also popular with large majorities, are what the Democratic Party is about. All this is liberal ideals in action.

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