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Patton French

(754 posts)
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 08:31 PM Oct 2021

Why the Senate doesn't work anymore

Interesting read:

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To many observers, those limited opportunities underscore the need for Democrats to improve their competitive positive in at least a few more states. It's telling that the Senate seats they flipped in 2020 came not in states they had bombarded with late television advertising, but in Arizona and Georgia -- states where they had invested for years in grassroots organizing that also lifted Biden to victory. North Carolina is a plausible next target for Democrats to add a Senate seat in 2022 with that strategy, but after that the options, particularly Florida and Texas in the Sun Belt or Ohio and Iowa in the Rust Belt, look more daunting.

The other implication of these dynamics for Democrats is the increasing pressure in the party to end the filibuster so that they can govern during the periods when they squeeze out a narrow Senate majority.

"There's no real room to build coalitions that give really any chance of overcoming a routine requirement of 60 votes to get anything done," notes Mann. Even Breaux, a centrist who built his Senate career on finding deals with Republicans, thinks Democrats need to end the filibuster for what he calls "constitutional issues" such as voting and abortion rights. The filibuster, he says, can encourage cooperation "when you have an aggressive middle on both sides, and you don't have that now." As a result, he believes "in getting rid of [the filibuster] for constitutional issues, like voting rights. We've done it for the Supreme Court and federal judges, so I guess you could do a limited carve-out for constitutional issues. That at least would help get some things done."

One final ingredient makes the operation of the modern Senate even more combustible. Because Republicans now so thoroughly dominate the less-populated, heavily rural, predominantly White states across the Plains and Mountain West, the GOP can exercise enormous power in the Senate even while representing many fewer people than Democrats do. If you assign half of each state's population to each senator, Democrats now represent 56% of the country and Republicans 44% -- even though each side holds 50 Senate seats.

As population continues to concentrate in the largest states, this partisan imbalance will likely widen. Without a change in the filibuster, that would allow states representing an ever-shrinking share of the national population to block legislative action supported by senators representing a clear majority of the country.

"The dynamic is that a smaller and smaller segment of the American electorate will control more and more seats in the Senate," says Mann. "So that there will be, in my view, a distortion that is so great it puts into question the entire legitimacy of the Senate as a governing body."

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https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/10/05/politics/senate-broken-biden-agenda/index.html

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brush

(53,764 posts)
3. It doesn't work because of the filibuster.
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 09:36 PM
Oct 2021

It's not that complicated. The rule stacks the deck in favor of the minority, just a the Electoral College does lately, and both stem from racial motives favoring once-slaveholding states and their representatives/interests.

In every other election or vote in this country the majority rules. It's obvious that these two processes were designed to favor the once slaveholding states...a final obstacle to changing the statue quo of white supremacy.

kelly1mm

(4,732 posts)
4. Once Democrats support ending the filibuster when/if Republicans are in power i will
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 10:22 PM
Oct 2021

believe it is more than a power play. Unfortunately I don't recall many here on DU or in the Democratic part writ large pressing for the filibuster to be eliminated in the first 2 years of Trumps presidency.

brush

(53,764 posts)
5. I don't know about that. I favor it and I'd guess many others here do as well.
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 10:27 PM
Oct 2021

It we're a majority rule nation cut out all the minority rule gimmicks.

kelly1mm

(4,732 posts)
6. Great! I look forward to hearing from you after 2022 elections when the r's have a pretty good shot
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 10:31 PM
Oct 2021

of being in the House and Senate majority. If DU supports ending the filibuster then (and ESPECIALLY after 2024 if a R wins the presidency) I will publicly apologize for saying it was just a power play.

I say this because there are MANY instances of Democrats (including President Obama while a Senator) praising the filibuster and what an important tool it was to safeguard the nation .......

brush

(53,764 posts)
7. We didn't stop them when they were in the majority did we?
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 10:44 PM
Oct 2021

Both the House and Senate should be majority rule, just as every other legislative body in the nation is.

If Democrats succeed in installing policies that work for people we will gain majorities.

You do know, right, that we've won the popular vote in the presidential elections seven of the last eight times but because of these gimmicks we keep alternating with republican in the presidency.

Get rid of the filibuster which will also allow us to fix the vote suppression that republicans are putting in all over the nation where they can.

kelly1mm

(4,732 posts)
8. I do understand the realities of the electoral college and how it can lead to the popular vote
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 11:41 PM
Oct 2021

winner not winning the Presidency (which has nothing to do with the filibuster) If you want to change the electoral college you will need a constitutional amendment and good luck getting enough smaller population states (including many 'blue' states) to agree. Even a 'majority rules' senate (aka no filibuster) would benefit low population states (WY has exactly the same number of Senators as CA).

brush

(53,764 posts)
9. It's a vestige of enslavement just as the filibuster is.
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 04:22 AM
Oct 2021

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To get rid of the filibuster however, no Constitutional amendment is needed.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
10. It's because of Citizen United - the 1% can OWN Senators no matter what Party they are in.
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 11:04 AM
Oct 2021

We are seeing it play out right before Our Eyes at this very moment.

Manchin and Sinema.

Make no mistake - We are in a CLASS WAR right now. We workers can win, but only if we continue to spread the Truth, and have allies in the upper reaches of the Legislature, Judiciary, and Executive who understand what the 1% are trying to do.

Sad thing is, if the 1% wins today the Earth itself will probably become inimical to Human Life within 100 years...their selfish greed is going to destroy the species. It will be a pyric victory at best.

Grins

(7,205 posts)
11. Yes! Minority Rule!!
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 03:31 PM
Oct 2021

Been screaming about this for years, mostly to a “Ho-hum…” audience, and you need to start screaming about it, too.

“As population continues to concentrate in the largest states, (the) partisan imbalance will likely widen. Without a change in the filibuster…states representing an ever-shrinking share of the national population (can) block legislative action supported by…(the) clear majority of the country.”

This is minority rule and it can lead to civil war!

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