Remember Susan McDougal?

[kpete]

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[KS Toronado]

1. Well that was then, this is now.....

Besides McDougal was one of "THEM", not one of "US". Different rules for us vs them.
At least that's what reQublicOns believe.

[jimfields33]

13. More like apples and oranges.

Both these situations are different. Mcdogal went to jail for federal summons ignoring. Not a house summons.

[Seinan Sensei]

32. Susan McDougal did not know anything

Her husband Jim McDougal knew things
Susan was not a mover/ shaker/ policy-maker
She went to jail mainly because she would not say nasty things about Bill C -- things that Ken Starr wanted her to stay

[TomSlick]

36. There you go again. Calmly stating the facts.

McDougal defied a subpoena from a federal grand jury, for which a contempt citation is an easy proposition. A grand jury subpoena is a writ of the court, which the court will be disposed to enforce. Enforcing a congressional subpoena is more complicated and something the courts would prefer to avoid.

[Mr. Ected]

3. Damned if we do, damned if we don't

If we ultimately incarcerate these blights on humanity, they will project their own image upon us and call us fascist tyrants.

If we don't incarcerate, they will eventually assume control and throw our key representatives in prison on trumped up charges.

If the second supposition is correct (and I think it is), then I think we have no choice. Either way our goose may be cooked if they take over Congress and the White House. Might as well expose them now for the vermin they are and let the chips fall as they may.

[Duppers]

6. Absolutely!

[OldBaldy1701E]

11. Sticks and stone may overthrow Rome

But words will never hurt me. Let them scream and yell about fascists all they want. Follow the precedent of law! Defiance means being charged and incarcerated. Tough tickies if they don't like it. Please remember, the only 'fascists' around are the rethugs. Don't let them command the conversation.

[lagomorph777]

17. They will call us names regardless. Have to enforce the law.

Jail the fuckers until they squeal.

[Texin]

20. But how exactly would that work?

As far as I know, congressional committees don't (really) have the physical capacity to incarcerate anyone who defies a committee summons. What facility exists in which this might happen?

Don't get me wrong. I believe these chucklehead Molotov bombers to the Constitution need to meet the consequences of their wrong-headed beliefs and their fascist actions to the nth degree. But there is nothing really that can be done with them unless criminal charges are brought against them, and Dems can't do that.

[Grins]

33. They use the DC jail.

[barbtries]

26. i agree.

follow the law.

[marble falls]

4. Contempt of Congress ...

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/contempt_of_congress

[Laura PourMeADrink]

16. What about Lewandowski? Remember he showed up but

refused to answer some of the questions. Everyone kept saying that they should hold him in contempt but they didn't. We're going to have to look into the matter. Maybe that was executive privilege claims.

[calimary]

23. Indeed. All that did was offer a freebie to others who don't want to answer questions.

Do what he did! Do you see him facing ANY consequences for it? Then? Or now?

You can SAY you went in and sat before the committee. The fact that you SHAT ON the committee just becomes the new how-to! It’s the real-life immunity from any consequences.

Skulduggery for FREE!!!

[Duppers]

5. K & R

[sinkingfeeling]

7. Susan went to jail on a contempt of court charge for refusing

to answer Grand Jury questions.

Her refusal to answer "three questions" for a grand jury, on whether President Bill Clinton lied in his testimony during her Whitewater trial, led her to receive a jail sentence of 18 months for contempt of court. That made up most of the total 22 months she spent incarcerated.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_McDougal

[WHITT]

30. Actually

She went to prison because she refused to tell the grand jury the LIES that Starr was trying to force her to tell.

He belongs in prison.

[louis-t]

31. You are correct. Starr wanted her to say she had an affair with Clinton.

She had already testified.

[SergeStorms]

8. If they refuse to testify....

then fine them heavily, or put them in jail.

TFGs "executive privilege" is over with. His reign of terror is over with. He doesn't get to tell people what to do anymore. His fat ass belongs in jail.

[gab13by13]

9. With all due respect,

the insurrection is stronger now than it was on 1/6, and growing.

[uponit7771]

10. +1

[kentuck]

21. That is what is so disturbing about the "patience" argument...

....and Merrick Garland has it under control. We don't know what we are doing or what we are talking about, etc.

It is becoming more dangerous for our democracy with each passing day.

The Justice System has been corrupted under Bill Barr and I don't know if it can recover?

[vanlassie]

12. I doubt they would pay fines themselves. Not a punishment.

[SergeStorms]

15. I heard this morning....

on MSNBC that they were considering a first offense fine of $100,000. That might get their attention, if they can legally do that. If they don't pay, off to jail with them. No more freaking around.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

19. But of course FG wouldn't. But what he would do would be to beg his

Poor followers for it

[calimary]

24. How 'bout both? Heavy fines AND jail.

[RVN VET71]

14. If they ignore the subpoenas and are not jailed

the only question worth asking is “why?” If it’s because no action is taken against them because the Dems don’t want to seem overly harsh, we are all likely screwed.

But if the Dems are unable to pursue criminal contempt charges because of some statute ot codicil of law, then the Dems ought to find a way around it, or at least try.

[bucolic_frolic]

18. No ankle bracelets, actual prison time, no white collar detention

Actual prison like real citizens serve time in

[cstanleytech]

22. "right to get confidential advice from aides." I thought that largely only applied to lawyers and

doctors? Not to mention of course varies intelligence agencies and the military.

[ecstatic]

25. Toughen up Democrats!

Like seriously, it's time. The "nice" act is no longer cute or endearing with so much at stake.

[Moostache]

27. We need a new Chateau D'If to throw these miscreants into...

Toss them in a hole and drop gruel and drip water down the walls.
Fuck these fools, make them actually see how much Trump would let them endure for nothing.

Charge them as accessories to insurrection, let them plead the 5th and then convict them all.
Or do what democratic leaders seem to always do - go noodle soft and cave to these assholes once more...

[johnthewoodworker]

28. Republican/Nazis cad do whatever they want without penalty.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

29. Lock Bannon, Meadows and the other idiots up

[Darwin2019]

34. She refused to give false testimony against the Clintons

Testimony made up by Ken Star

[Darwin2019]

35. She refused to give false testimony against the Clintons

Testimony made up by Ken Star

[nakocal]

37. Starr not only wanted her testimony

He also wanted her to lie.

[Martin68]

38. Se need to start rigorously enforcing subpoenas.