Krysten Sinema is what the green party devolved into

[Peacetrain]

and I mean that with all seriousness... What the Greens used to represent and what they are now is night and day. When Ralph Nadar first came on the scene (and yes I am that old) I was so supportive.. Now the Greens are about what? besides trying to destroy the Democratic Party and embracing the Putin backed Republican Party. God give us strength.

[Budi]

1. Jill Stein & Rand Paul is all you need to know about where its heading

Today's Greens & Libertarians

Wait for it....see who's about to emerge.
They've been blasting the merger for years.

[malaise]

2. My question as an outsider is why the Democratic Party

welcomed her

[Budi]

6. Why did the Dems welcome any of the DINO's is a better question

Back to those 3 Horsemen of the apocalypse, I believe some great faux guru now warns.
🙄

[marble falls]

7. Because she wasn't a Republican (allegedly).

[mahina]

9. I can't speak for anybody else but I was rooting for her because

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Her opponent would likely give republicans the senate majority.

It appears she has already sold out, most likely as Abramoff described. I’ll link that video below. It’s pure corruption. But we can upend that whole scam!
Unbreaking America

[Budi]

12. Exactly. In gaining an advantage for our 2020 Dem Candidate

..who went on to defeat the Trump hostile takeover, At That Critical Time in our American History, Sinema was welcomed because she had a serious chance in that Red State, to replace just one more Republican, thus ending the long reign of McConnell's Senate Speakership.
THAT was the endgame & it worked.

Now why she was so pro Dem at that time & not so much now, is anybody's guess.

She's certainly not the only one who grabbed the benefit of running on the D ticket, only to run a steady campaign against us after the big assist from the D Party to be seated.

[LeftInTX]

28. She's been in politics for quite awhile and has gradually devolved.

Member of the U.S. House of Representatives
from Arizona's 9th district
In office
January 3, 2013 – January 3, 2019

Member of the Arizona Senate
from the 15th district
In office
January 10, 2011 – January 3, 2012

Member of the Arizona House of Representatives
from the 15th district
In office
January 10, 2005 – January 10, 2011

Parties are limited in how they can "exclude" someone. Anyone can file paper work to appear on the ballot in a primary, and in Texas, there isn't a whole lot that the party can do about it. (I assume it is the same all over the country)
Parties do not endorse in primaries. They also have an obligation to support the Democratic candidate.


It used to be that parties nominated via backroom deals and smokey rooms, but the 1968 Democratic convention and nomination of Hubert Humphrey angered alot of people and backfired. In 1972, the nominee was decided by the voters and was George McGovern.

Nowadays, candidates are "excluded" via primaries and caucuses where voters decide. Parties don't really get involved officially and it's one candidate against the other. The process is campaign oriented.

The Democrats had no choice, but to accept Andrew Yang, Tulsi and Marianne Williamson in 2020.

[malaise]

29. Thanks for this

Very informative

[dalton99a]

4. The Green Party rears its head every four years to help Republicans get elected.

They are highly reliable

[Budi]

8. K & R & Thank You.

"Money & Media" !

[Nixie]

10. That's what is curious why she seems to object taking

orders from Bernie and his progressives who were elected in a blue state and districts. She helped write the infrastructure bill, so why object to Bernie’s people? 🤷?♀️

[Budi]

13. ? She objects to the Party that got her the Senate seat & that Party's President, Joe Biden

THIS Bill was always Joe Biden's promise to America. Joe Biden's legacy accumulated over his many years in gov't.

This bill is Joe Biden's.

[Nixie]

17. Sorry, I meant she seems to have gone silent since

Biden approved the “two-track” method for both bills.

[Budi]

19. Yes he did. Because their was the eternal standoff of members who refused to consider another means

..to an end, as a step by step process.

Yes bot Biden & Pelosi said & wanted the entire package moved forward as ine, but the refusal to budge on demands, made the possibility of being done at all, treacherous.

Oppose just to oppose was more the intent.

Ya. Its pretty fkd up, where it didn't need to be.
I'm pissed at the grandstanding for the media cameras & MSM appearances by all of them.
It is completely self serving.

[Nixie]

31. Yes, the grandstanding by all of them is a pathetic

spectacle while they tie up Biden’s agenda. It just seems Sinema has totally disengaged after that “two-track” news, although she was writing a pretty good bill before and then just dropped off when the “progressives” were tied to the process. We’re all just guessing her motives, but with that timing, it’s strange a former green would object so much to listening to Bernie.

But yes to everything you said in this thread, etc. Good points.

[marble falls]

5. I know and it is heart breaking.

[blm]

11. Russian propaganda campaigns directed animosity at Dems

and even portrayed Republicans as victims of Democrats.

The political opportunists hide behind those attacks crafted by operatives and circulated through Putin’s ‘left-posing’ troll farms.

[Budi]

15. The fact that we hold the Presidency & actually threw McConnell out of his years-long Senate tenure

..is quite a remarkable feat.

What would make this thinly held trifecta majority run fast & far from what Trump left us with, would be for those who used our D Party to gain their legislative seats only to run a backdoor, non-stop media campaign to damn the Democratic Party & every leader in it's realm, to simply also do what's being asked of Sinema & Manchin.

The hypocrisy is clearly seen in the sudden applause for Biden's policy, when just a few months ago some were out loudly campaigning, endorsing & fundraising for the a candidate that called President Joe Biden "a bowl of shit". ffs.

Now they Really Like him?
Sinema isn't the only one who'll turn after that big assist from the Dem Party.

My approch to resolving this standoff lies in the fact that some refuse to engage any negotiation to perhaps come to a solution, to move the bills forward. Which is what has to occur in the legislative body.

Rather than stand on their demands & stall the entire grand & promising Policy plan of Joe Biden's most future forward & beneficial policies yet.

It appears more & more to be intentionally non-productive across the board.

IMO

[MineralMan]

14. The Green Party is authoritarian in its own way, it seems to me.

On the surface, it has good intentions. Dig deeper, though, and you discover that there's not a lot of emphasis on using democracy to achieve those intentions. That's probably because people will not vote in the majority for Green Party goals. So, authoritarianism is necessary if those goals are to be realized.

It's a dilemma all movements from the edge of the left have to deal with. They can't win by generating majority support, which frustrates them enough to espouse authoritarian means to their ends.

[Budi]

18. Mr Zack Exley will prove your exact point in 2022.

They couldn't have done it without the use of Corporate Media & of course strategically sticking that D behind their name.

They simply lied.

[Celerity]

16. She left the Green Party in 2004, when she became a Dem. She was elected to the US House in 2012, &

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moved to the centre, towards the right, in 2013-14, after she was being attacked in her first re-election race. She was very much a lefty in the Arizona House (2004-2010) and AZ Senate (2012) before that.

In 2006, Sinema told a radio host that she was "the most liberal member of the Arizona State Legislature".


She is an ever-rightward-shifting chameleon and opportunist, with no real base political philosophy IMHO.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyrsten_Sinema

Early political involvement

Sinema began her political career in the Arizona Green Party before joining the Arizona Democratic Party in 2004. In 2000, Sinema worked on Ralph Nader's presidential campaign. In 2001 and 2002, she ran for local elected offices as an independent and lost. In 2002, The Arizona Republic published a letter from Sinema criticizing capitalism. "Until the average American realizes that capitalism damages her livelihood while augmenting the livelihoods of the wealthy, the Almighty Dollar will continue to rule", she wrote. She opposed the North American Free Trade Agreement, the World Bank, and the World Trade Organization during this time. She protested Senator Joe Lieberman's unsuccessful 2004 presidential bid, telling the Hartford Courant, "He’s a shame to Democrats ... I don’t even know why he’s running. He seems to want to get Republicans voting for him. What kind of strategy is that?" (OH THE IRONY!)

While in the Green Party, Sinema was its local spokesperson, working to repeal the death penalty and organizing antiwar protests. She had organized 15 antiwar rallies by the time the Iraq War began. She also opposed the war in Afghanistan. During a February 15, 2003, protest in Patriots Square Park in Phoenix, a group led by Sinema distributed flyers portraying a U.S. servicemember as a skeleton "inflicting 'U.S. terror' in Iraq and the Middle East". In a 2003 opinion piece, Sinema declared that Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush were "the real Saddam and Osama lovers". When asked on a local radio show whether she would oppose someone joining the Taliban and fighting on its behalf, Sinema responded, "Fine ... I don't care if you want to do that, go ahead." During 2005 and 2006, Sinema co-hosted a radio show with 9/11 truther Jeff Farias.

snip


2014 (the rightward big move)

Sinema ran for re-election in 2014, and was unopposed in the Democratic primary, which took place on August 26, 2014. She faced Republican Wendy Rogers in the general election.

According to Roll Call, Sinema billed herself as bipartisan. This move was seen as a response to her district's voting pattern. It was drawn as a "fair-fight" district, and President Barack Obama won the district by four points in 2012. In September 2014 she was endorsed for re-election by the United States Chamber of Commerce, becoming one of five Democrats to be endorsed by the Chamber in the 2014 congressional election cycle. She was re-elected with approximately 55 percent of the vote, beating Rogers by 13 points.

snip


In the 115th Congress, whilst still in the US House, she voted with Trump 62.6% of the time.

She and the centre-right DINO, forced birther/Republican campaigning/fundraising-for Henry Cuellar (huge Biden critic on immigration and a lead conservadem trying to scupper Biden's $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill in the House now) had by far the highest +/- ratings in all Dems in Congress (meaning they voted with Trump and the Rethugs far more than their districts predicted).

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/house/

[SunImp]

20. This is pretty much the only reply here worth reading.

[BeckyDem]

27. +1. Acuuracy.

[malaise]

30. Thanks for this

[GPV]

21. Yeah, I bailed too. I considered the Socialists, but thought I'd try to help

progressives get more of a voice with the Dems while having a chance at defeating the right wing zealots.

[OnDoutside]

22. It's the universal problem of one issue political parties and movements.

Once they get any political influence, they're susceptible to screwing up everything else that they don't know or care about.

[Budi]

23. 👍 That's the destructive force of populism.

[OnDoutside]

24. Yes absolutely, and it's very difficult for mainstream parties to

counter them.

[Budi]

25. Yup. Whomever controls the media, controls the ....

"Money & Media', he answered

[JHB]

26. "When Ralph Nader first came on the scene", Green Party-wise, it was 1996

Then he disappeared for four years. Whatever he was doing in that time, it was not building a party or coalition, nor organizing a liberal-left voting block.

By 2000 the Greens had basically become what they still are: a vanity fundraising vehicle and spoiler party.

Most of their actual successes have been at the local level. About half of the that total in California, with the remainder scattered across all the other states. Less than an handful of state-level office-holders were elected under the Green ticket, and all of those either switched to Democratic, Independent, or lost re-election. In 2016 I had to work to dig up that overview because there was no easy place to find what offices Greens actually held. And the ones I did find still listed successes of people who were no longer in office.

[brooklynite]

33. Ralph Nader was never the Party Leader.

He was the nominee that the Party Leaders chose.

[brooklynite]

32. What did the US Green PArty ever represent before "devolving"?

I’m aware of what the German Green Party represented. I dispute that the US Green Party every stood for something substantive.

[Mary in S. Carolina]

34. The Green Party is a Republican Scam

and always has been.