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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,900 posts)
Mon Oct 11, 2021, 01:24 PM Oct 2021

UK police won't act against Prince Andrew over abuse claim

LONDON (AP) — British police have announced they will not take any action against Prince Andrew after a review prompted by a Jeffrey Epstein accuser who claims that he sexually assaulted her.

Virginia Giuffre claims she was trafficked by Epstein to have sex with Andrew in London in 2001, when she was aged 17 and a minor under U.S, law. She is suing the prince in a U.S. court.

Andrew, the second son of Queen Elizabeth II, denies the allegations. He told the BBC in a 2019 interview that he never had sex with Giuffre, saying: “It didn’t happen.”

In August, London's Metropolitan Police force began a review of allegations connected to late convicted sex offender Epstein. Police chief Cressida Dick said at the time that “no one is above the law.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/uk-police-wont-act-against-prince-andrew-over-abuse-claim/ar-AAPmJHz

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UK police won't act against Prince Andrew over abuse claim (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2021 OP
I said here this is what I guessed would happen when the latest investigation started ... Hugh_Lebowski Oct 2021 #1
Same Over There As Here, Some Are Just ABOVE THE LAW nt SoCalDavidS Oct 2021 #2
The accusations against Andrew have never been proven in a court of law. totodeinhere Oct 2021 #8
Yep. Access to illicit sex is a major driver for some men who seek political power. lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #9
Hmmmmm.... Just caught this.... qzwv8j Oct 2021 #3
This is victim blaming at its core berniesandersmittens Oct 2021 #4
Because why charge one and not all? qzwv8j Oct 2021 #5
She was a child berniesandersmittens Oct 2021 #6
It's good to be king, or at least prince. Sneederbunk Oct 2021 #7
He is untouchable. milestogo Oct 2021 #10
US law does not apply in London. what is the uk law about this nt msongs Oct 2021 #11
Age of consent is 16 based on what I read upthread. LeftInTX Oct 2021 #12
 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
1. I said here this is what I guessed would happen when the latest investigation started ...
Mon Oct 11, 2021, 01:43 PM
Oct 2021

There's a number of reasons I thought so, but at its heart, it's tough to prove sex happened 15 years ago.

Sadly, it's not always easy convincing a prosecutor to go after a rape that happened 15 days ago, with burdens of proof in the courtroom being as they are, let alone 15 years.

It's a sad statement on humanity in many ways, but the woman's 'status' comes into play in cases like this. Did you know that Mrs. Roberts was a foster child, and was being sexually trafficked starting at 13 years old by ANOTHER lecherous man, before Epstein? She's said it happened, anyway, and I believe I read that man went to jail for exploitation. So ... Epstein was actually the 2nd man in her life acting in this ... capacity.

There's also been some evidence she doesn't really have a great handle on the details of 'who she was with'. Which is not to say I doubt she was exploited in this way, but not having a 100% reliable memory would by understandable, given the trauma involved.

So you sit in the shoes of a prosecutor, and you're thinking you're going to go after literally The Royal Family ... based on essentially only the testimony of Mrs. Roberts ... it's, again, sad, but predictable ... they would decide that bringing charges like this isn't worth the risk to their career.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
8. The accusations against Andrew have never been proven in a court of law.
Mon Oct 11, 2021, 03:23 PM
Oct 2021

Perhaps the British authorities simply believed that the case doesn't have enough evidence to move forward.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
9. Yep. Access to illicit sex is a major driver for some men who seek political power.
Mon Oct 11, 2021, 03:31 PM
Oct 2021

They make themselves immune to consequences.

qzwv8j

(87 posts)
3. Hmmmmm.... Just caught this....
Mon Oct 11, 2021, 02:30 PM
Oct 2021

*snip* Virginia Giuffre claims she was trafficked by Epstein to have sex with Andrew in London in 2001, when she was aged 17 and a minor under U.S, law. She is suing the prince in a U.S. court. *snip*


The sex happened in London. Age of consent in the UK is 16, and she was age 17 — which means if the sex happened, it was legal when and where it happened….


So…..
Unless Andrew *specifically* asked for this particular girl AND PAID for her transport for the sole purpose of having sex with her, he cannot be held legally liable for her “trafficked status” (human trafficking is against the law)… and UNLESS she was unwillling AND LET PrcAndrew know she was unwilling, he cannot be liable for assault….

Is Prc Andrew the only mature person she had sex with? Are they pulling in all her partners in for questioning? Or are they going after the one with the biggest name?

qzwv8j

(87 posts)
5. Because why charge one and not all?
Mon Oct 11, 2021, 02:38 PM
Oct 2021

I’m not trying to victim blame her. i actually “blame” the prosecutors and feel they are taking advantage of this girl….

I’m going to edit /delete the paragraph that implies potential victim blaming. I put it in there to point out that he would not necessarily have known of a possible issue…. But I think that a young, impressionable girl was taken advantage of …and once she realized it, she’s now very probably being manipulated yet again….

berniesandersmittens

(11,343 posts)
6. She was a child
Mon Oct 11, 2021, 03:08 PM
Oct 2021

The only person (or persons) that need to be held accountable is Prince Andrew. (Epstein, etc)

Pretend I am Virginia. I came forward that a man (who happens to be filthy rich and a prince no less) had sex with me.

I was coerced by someone I thought was my friend.

I have sense been through the legal system pressing for my voice to be heard.


....

Your intention may not be to blame the victim. But asking who else this girl slept with is crossing a line. Does it matter if she slept with other older men? She came forward and told her story about this man, Andrew.

This is about Andrew. This is about the rich and powerful being above the law.

LeftInTX

(25,239 posts)
12. Age of consent is 16 based on what I read upthread.
Mon Oct 11, 2021, 05:47 PM
Oct 2021

I don't know if it is accurate, but it's on the thread.

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