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SleeplessinSoCal

(9,112 posts)
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 12:22 AM Oct 2021

Ayn Rand's wildest dream came true.

Not sure what Alan Greenspan makes of the deterioration of the GOP, but I'd like to hear from him.


"Rand described Objectivism as "the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute".


10 years ago the "tea party took flight. Notably two of its biggest championship are gone - Paul Ryan and David Koch. But the damage is done. Two Russians seem to be responsible for the destruction of our democracy. Did Rand intentionally intend to destroy our country?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivism#%3A%7E%3Atext%3DObjectivism_is_a_philosophical_system%2CRussian-American_writer_Ayn_Rand.%26text%3DRand_described_Objectivism_as_%22the%2Creason_as_his_only_absolute%22.?wprov=sfla1
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Ayn Rand's wildest dream came true. (Original Post) SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2021 OP
Required reading in HS. I dint go into her bio. She was a sprinkleeninow Oct 2021 #1
Yes, she was a Russian. They've been after us for a long time. Crunchy Frog Oct 2021 #2
I never thought that she may have intentionally come up with Objectivism... SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2021 #3
Or. maybe it was a theory formed by committee and espoused by Rand SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2021 #4
And the Republicans enable ongoing Russia attacks on America Champp Oct 2021 #11
Required reading? Grins Oct 2021 #6
2017 article SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2021 #8
While conveniently ignoring her atheism HAB911 Oct 2021 #14
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life csziggy Oct 2021 #10
Posted this a few days ago JonAndKatePlusABird Oct 2021 #12
That's a fabulous quote. I was apprehensive at the start...Orcs... JanMichael Oct 2021 #13
Born in Russian but I'm pretty sure she became a naturalized US citizen FakeNoose Oct 2021 #19
Creepy website and university... SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2021 #5
Ayn Rand was an Atheist and thought Christians were stupid. njhoneybadger Oct 2021 #7
she didn't like Paul Ryan? lapfog_1 Oct 2021 #9
Sorry, I was thinking Ron Paul. njhoneybadger Oct 2021 #16
I thought Christopher Hitchens said it pretty well . . . hatrack Oct 2021 #15
CJC Milley, on January 8 still working to save our nation, sat down and Hortensis Oct 2021 #17
I don't think the GOP is very Randian these days muriel_volestrangler Oct 2021 #18
The Tea Party is very Randian. And the Tea Party IS the GOP. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2021 #20

Champp

(2,114 posts)
11. And the Republicans enable ongoing Russia attacks on America
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 05:41 AM
Oct 2021

the repubes and the ruskis amplify each other's lies, Propaganda-Plus. It's an international cesspool of lies and grift.

Grins

(7,217 posts)
6. Required reading?
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 01:16 AM
Oct 2021

Why did your school hate America?

William F. Buckley and Alan Wolfe hated her. And so did Gore Vidal. (Imagine a conversation between Buckley and Vidal about her!)

Best quote I found (and there are some real gems out there!):

“Atlas Shrugged’’, a book that’s never been read all the way through by anyone with a girlfriend.” - Bill Maher.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,112 posts)
8. 2017 article
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 03:01 AM
Oct 2021
https://qz.com/882493/donald-trump-paul-ryan-and-andy-puzder-say-they-love-ayn-rands-controversial-philosophy-heres-what-us-republicans-keep-getting-wrong-about-it/

"US Republican leaders love Ayn Rand’s controversial philosophy—and are increasingly misinterpreting it."

“Selfishness is a virtue.”

The true religion of the GOP is comprised of the cinematic scriblings of a Russian woman. That is a hoot and a half!

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
10. There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 04:47 AM
Oct 2021
“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."

[Kung Fu Monkey -- Ephemera, blog post, March 19, 2009]”
― John Rogers
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/atlas-shrugged

JanMichael

(24,885 posts)
13. That's a fabulous quote. I was apprehensive at the start...Orcs...
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 08:06 AM
Oct 2021

Then again I read the Hobbit, Return of the King and Lord of the Rings, starting at 8. I was a weird kid.

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
19. Born in Russian but I'm pretty sure she became a naturalized US citizen
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 12:21 PM
Oct 2021

In her later years she collected Social Security. LOL!

njhoneybadger

(3,910 posts)
7. Ayn Rand was an Atheist and thought Christians were stupid.
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 01:47 AM
Oct 2021

She also didn't like Paul Ryan and thought Libertarianism was her philsophy with religion added to it. The Republican Party is an amalgamation of many rotten things the world has seen throughout its history.

lapfog_1

(29,199 posts)
9. she didn't like Paul Ryan?
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 03:01 AM
Oct 2021

what exactly made her, on her death bed, hate a 12 year old?

Ayn Rand (January 20] 1905 – March 6, 1982)
Paul Davis Ryan (born January 29, 1970) is an American retired politician who served as the 54th speaker of the United States House of Representatives

or was it some other Paul Ryan?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
17. CJC Milley, on January 8 still working to save our nation, sat down and
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 09:50 AM
Oct 2021

jotted some thoughts about those who attacked the Capitol. This is from Woodward/Costa's Peril.

"What is this amorphous thing that just happened on the 6th. Who are these people?" He jotted rapidly:

6MWE (Six million weren't enough)
Extreme Tea Party
Qanon
Patriot Movement
We Are the People Movement
Nazis
Proud Boys
The Oath Keepers
Newsmax
Epoch (The Epoch Times)

Milley summarized and scribbled.

Big threat: domestic terrorism.

Millie concluded that some were Brown Shirts, a U.S. version of the Nazi Party's paramilitary wing, and that it was a planned revolution.

"Steve Bannon's vision coming to life. Bring it all down, blow it up, burn it, and emerge with power."


This summary of his thoughts didn't mention Russia, but of course he'd be far more aware than us of Russia's decades of efforts to subvert our nation. Russia fed and augmented what was already here and already eager to burst into flames.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,310 posts)
18. I don't think the GOP is very Randian these days
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 12:16 PM
Oct 2021

They've rejected reason in a major way, aren't interested in productive achievement, and their "individualism" is heavily qualified by grouping together to hate other groups - which is their defining characteristic. Rand wouldn't admire them - note that people like Bannon have an ideology of nationalism and using religion to exclude others.

The modern GOP is about hate, not selfishness.

And there's no sign she "intentionally intended to destroy our country"; she was an extreme anti-communist, who fled after the revolution. The USA was the most capitalist place she could have come to.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,112 posts)
20. The Tea Party is very Randian. And the Tea Party IS the GOP.
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 07:04 PM
Oct 2021

What TFG means is a means to an end, plus racism. We can honestly say they are the new age American Nazis. They don't actually burn books, but they do everything they can to negate American history and critical thought.

Rand wrote the way, Kochs funded it and reaps its rewards.

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