Sinema Won't Back Budget Bill Until Infrastructure Passes

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Sinema Won’t Back Budget Bill Until Infrastructure Passes

October 14, 2021 at 4:32 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 0 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2021/10/14/sinema-wont-back-budget-bill-until-infrastructure-passes/

"SNIP.....

Sen. Kysten Sinema (D-AZ) told a group of moderate House Democrats that she won’t support a budget reconciliation bill until the bipartisan infrastructure bill passes, Reuters reports.

Also on the video call was Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV), who told the group that a $2 trillion top line for the bill is not a good starting point.

......SNIP"

[Sanity Claws]

1. She is useless

Maybe she'll get lost in Europe and not come back. AZ could replace her. That would be nice.

[wryter2000]

3. Fuck them both

Seriously.

Do we have the slightest indication she'll go for the reconciliation bill if the other one has passed? I don't think so.

What starting point would Manchin like? $10,000 and go down from there?

Fuck them both.

[Faux pas]

9. Lol

How about neither one of them ever get fucked again?

[wryter2000]

25. That would be better

[Mad_Machine76]

11. The last comment I heard from a month or two ago

was that she said that "we'll see" after the BIFF passes, but, honestly, that doesn't sound very encouraging. I have a feeling she and Manchin and probably others in the House (i.e. Gottheimer) will walk away really quickly from BBB or continue to stall it to death once the BIFF passes. I feel like I would take those odds. Anybody want to join me?

[wryter2000]

24. My guess

They wanted to pass the infrastructure bill first in hopes the other one would go away. Or planning to actively do it in. The progressives did well to shut that down.

It is so freaking stupid. If they pass both, the good effects of the bills will give them a huge advantage running for re-election. The Republicans will use it, even though they voted against it. We've seen them do that with the first bill.

[a kennedy]

45. Ditto, ditto, ditto, FAWK THEM BOTH. 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬

[ColinC]

4. The word of a snake

[wryter2000]

27. Don't pick on snakes

Snakes are wonderful creatures. Most are very beneficial to humans. How about "the word of a Republican," instead?

[Celerity]

5. Sinema and Manchin are straight up wreckers

[JohnSJ]

10. This should surprise no one. Little leverage can be exerted against them. That would change

if we had at least a two seat majority, but that isn’t the way it is

[Angrius]

6. I bet one of them changes party

One of them is going to, they work for mitch McConnell

[JohnSJ]

8. Unlikely. They would have no power if they did that.

[JohnSJ]

7. Then use the 2 trillion and pass both bills. There is little leverage with Manchin or Sinema.

They do not care if the Democrats have a majority or not

[Celerity]

12. what 2 trillion?

Manchin just said that $2 trillion was too high ('not a good starting point') for the reconciliation bill.

Do you mean $2 trillion total in new spend between the 2 bills combined?

The bi-partisan bill has $550 billion in new spend, so Manchin's 'compromise' figure for the reconciliation bill (he said he wanted $1 trillion top line but will go to 1.5 trillion) of $1.5 trillion added to the $550 billion from the bi-partisan bill gets you to basically $2 trillion total new spend.

I doubt Manchin will go along with cutting the time frame in half or so, as he will likely go bonkers then at the per annum spend.

IF he actually agrees to that (shortened time frame) and we can get the reconciliation bill in and agreed at say, $1.75 trillion for 5 years, THEN we do have full funding on a yearly spend basis.

[JohnSJ]

14. The OP said Manchin said he would not go higher than 2 trillion

“ Also on the video call was Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV), who told the group that a $2 trillion top line for the bill is not a good starting point.”

Implies he might go up to 2 trillion max

[Celerity]

16. He says he wont even start at 2 trillion, so how do we end up there? His starting point is 1.5

trillion. Starting at 2 trillion (unless there is a shortened time frame) is a massive come down already (from 3.5 trillion) and starting at 2 trillion implies it will be lower than that at the end, and Manchin will not even start at 2 (so he says).

I see nothing from this article that makes this:

Implies he might go up to 2 trillion max

a possibility

[JohnSJ]

22. Because he didn't use his 1.5 trillion, I am just reading that perhaps 2 trillion might be the CAP

for him.

[Celerity]

23. I do not read it that way at all, but we shall see

[JohnSJ]

30. I know, wishful thinking on my part

[Celerity]

35. I hope you are right!

[wryter2000]

28. That's not how I read it

He wants to start the negotiations below that with the end being below what they started with.

[JohnSJ]

32. That he mentioned 2 trillion, instead of his 1.5 trillion, is why I am speculating

[Bettie]

13. And afterward she won't support it

BECAUSE the infrastructure bill already passed.

Then, everyone will scream and blame progressives.

[Celerity]

17. those are both possibilities, although IF we just go ahead and pass the bi-partisan bill before the

Build Back Better Act, then it will take massive pretzel logic to blame the progs for anything, because they will have then caved in to all of the demands from the centrists/moderates already, so there is no logical way to blame them at all IF Sinema THEN says fuck the ENTIRE reconciliation bill, which is a possibility, as you suggested.

At that dire point, it is 100% ALL on Sinema, as even Coal Joe has said he will vote for at least a $1.5 trillion reconciliation bill (granted dog knows what he will demand be chopped out to get to that massive almost 60% gutting).

IF that scenario does indeed play out (we had ALL best hope it does not) then Sinema will go down as the most hated Dem since the old Dixiecrat segregationist days, as she and she alone will have driven a massive nail into the coffin of our 2022 and 2024 electoral hopes.

[wryter2000]

29. Well, yes

No one could blame the progressives, and everyone will hate Sinema, but there still won't be any bill. That's no kind of win.

[Dave says]

41. "she alone will have driven a massive nail into the coffin of our 2022 and 2024 electoral hopes"

Wish she didn't have that opportunity, but it sure looks like that's what's playing out. It's possibly (if not already) Good Night, America.

[BlueNProud]

15. They are both being directed by McConnell.

[Fiendish Thingy]

18. Fuck off Sinema- Schumer must bring the bill to the floor and make her vote No

She doesn’t have the guts.

[Celerity]

19. her 'guts' are likely proportional to the deal/golden parachute she has been arranging for herself

[Fiendish Thingy]

21. She would be ending her political career with a single no vote.

I think her ego is more important to her than her bank account- she has delusions of running for higher office, and voting down Biden’s agenda would squash those dreams permanently.

[Celerity]

34. either she could (likely not successfully) flip to Rethug and run in 2024 as one, (especially if we

lose the Senate in 2022) OR she take her 'GOAT' (as an Dem saboteur) trophy and cash in in the oh so lucrative corporate lobbying world, OR she could (especially if the Senate remains 50/50 post 2022) just brazenly say 'fuck you, who are your going to run against me in the primary?' and try to bulldoze her way to a re-election as a Dem (which will fail as well IMHO, especially if she single-handedly fucks us on this bill, and likely others)

[Fiendish Thingy]

44. Her ego is more important to her than her bank account

As much as she loves the jet set life, numerous sources (more than this anonymous leak about not voting for reconciliation first) have disclosed that Sinema has serious (albeit delusional) aspirations for higher elected office. I think She thinks she could be elected the first woman president, being the “mavericky”, “sensible”, “centrist” that she is…

Being the lone NO vote to kill Biden’s agenda would end her political career. She would not win the Democratic primary in 2024. PACs are already fundraising to support her as-yet-to-be determined primary opponent, and the full force of the Democratic Party would oppose her. Who would endorse her? Manchin? Gottheimer? Joe Arpaio?

So would switching parties, as she would lose the 2024 GOP primary to a Trump approved toady.

[JohnSJ]

26. I think many don't understand, Manchin and Sinema don't care. You call their bluff we will lose

that bluff

Remember when she voted no against minimum wage, and did a little wiggle to flaunt it

They aren’t bluffing because they don’t care

Only way to change that is win a two seat or more majority in the Senate

[wellst0nev0ter]

37. Then we hang it around their necks

Let them be known for sabotaging Democrats when we needed them most, and let them serve as eternal warnings against ever supporting scumbag rightwing corporatists in our party ever again.

(Note: This is not a knock against moderates. ACTUAL moderates support both bills)

[Fiendish Thingy]

20. This was leaked from an anonymous source, and seems to be designed to get attention

Sure hope Schumer doesn’t fall for it, and proceeds to bring the reconciliation bill to the floor in the near future.

After negotiating a bill Manchin will support, Schumer must hold a vote and dare Sinema to stand alone and vote down Biden’s entire agenda.

She doesn’t have the guts.

[wryter2000]

31. I sure hope you're right

But I wouldn't underestimate her guts. She's a troll more than anything else.

[JohnSJ]

33. I don't think she is bluffing. Her minimum wage vote told us that

[LenaBaby61]

38. THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

[Fiendish Thingy]

43. I think her ego is bigger than her courage

Being the sole NO vote on reconciliation would end her political career, and she has delusions of being elected to higher office.

[Freethinker65]

39. Call her bluff. Reconciliations Bill first. Make her kill it.

Then no infrastructure bill if she kills Reconciliation tion. Try again. Let her kill them both again. Will she?
No way she passes Reconciliation if Infrastructure passes first. She has taken too much money to obstruct.

[Efilroft Sul]

40. She wished the Naval Academy a happy birthday four days ago. Which is an apt sentiment, because...

…Curtsy McDownvote has been trying to submarine the president's agenda.

[Dave says]

42. I love this (in a black humored kind of way)

[vercetti2021]

46. I'm over her

Fuck her and her high horse