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PA_jen

(1,114 posts)
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 07:24 PM Oct 2021

Per Reidout: WSJ: AT Garland worried that jailing 1/6 insurrection will radicalized them more

I am sorry if you don't have the stomach to punish those who's overthrow our government design sir!

We need to protect our democracy now! Everyday Trump sends a message out people get more radicized. Every time Bannon speaks into his Mic those people get more radicalized. Every time a GOP Senator or Congress member repeats the big lie those people get more radicalized.

We are seeing trumpers/MAGA members act out as anti-vaxxers and anti makers. They are the people filling other people's mask off. Accusing parent of child abuse for masking their kids.

Get a backbone. The government is still defending Trump against the E. Jean Carroll case.

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Per Reidout: WSJ: AT Garland worried that jailing 1/6 insurrection will radicalized them more (Original Post) PA_jen Oct 2021 OP
I pray this is one of those sources that's just guessing, we should be erroring on going too hard on uponit7771 Oct 2021 #1
Could very well be. Seriously, look how many things we discuss here that turn out differently PortTack Oct 2021 #6
Quite the opposite. They will try try again until they succeed Freethinker65 Oct 2021 #2
That is what I am saying. Garland needs to take action. PA_jen Oct 2021 #4
so they march with the Confederate flag and the answer from the other side is a white flag? dem4decades Oct 2021 #3
this effing sucks! mucifer Oct 2021 #5
Let's not jail criminals because they might do more crime? C_U_L8R Oct 2021 #7
yeah, we could say the same about street thugs and mobsters! Grasswire2 Oct 2021 #17
What the FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! denbot Oct 2021 #8
if that is true Skittles Oct 2021 #9
I agree rockfordfile Oct 2021 #14
I'd like to see a direct quote from Garland saying that, MineralMan Oct 2021 #10
+1 GoodRaisin Oct 2021 #25
If true, Biden should replace him because he is not doing his job JohnSJ Oct 2021 #11
THIS 👍 Tribetime Oct 2021 #27
I wanted Adam Schiff as the Attorney General PlanetBev Oct 2021 #12
No he wouldn't have dsc Oct 2021 #20
Well, fuck yeah... BlueIdaho Oct 2021 #13
If true, fire him NOW! ecstatic Oct 2021 #15
Oh fuck that, throw Bannon behind bars till he talks, just do it Shanti Shanti Shanti Oct 2021 #16
Fucking sake. Baitball Blogger Oct 2021 #18
The fact that even Judges are saying Garland's prosecutors Marius25 Oct 2021 #19
got to make hay while the sun shines stillcool Oct 2021 #21
Ah, so there's the context- thanks for posting Fiendish Thingy Oct 2021 #23
there is that one sentence attributed to no one stillcool Oct 2021 #24
I don't care how radicalized they are if they're in jail. Fiendish Thingy Oct 2021 #22
Craaaaaaapppppp. Scrivener7 Oct 2021 #26
Their masters will radicalize them more. Absence of consequences will open the floodgates. elias7 Oct 2021 #28
More for you to lock up. Get with it Sir, quit fucking around. Hotler Oct 2021 #29

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
1. I pray this is one of those sources that's just guessing, we should be erroring on going too hard on
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 07:26 PM
Oct 2021

... them vs worried about them being radicalized.

Demonize the leaders to the end of being terrorist.

Spain's left leadership did the OPPOSITE to Franco and look what happened for 3 generations of Spain

PortTack

(32,751 posts)
6. Could very well be. Seriously, look how many things we discuss here that turn out differently
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 07:42 PM
Oct 2021

I will wait

Freethinker65

(10,009 posts)
2. Quite the opposite. They will try try again until they succeed
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 07:28 PM
Oct 2021

There must be repercussions. Strong deterrents to prevent the planning and encouragement of future acts of domestic terrorism.

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
17. yeah, we could say the same about street thugs and mobsters!
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 08:18 PM
Oct 2021

Is that why DJT isn't in prison yet?

Because he might do more crime after?

denbot

(9,899 posts)
8. What the FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 07:50 PM
Oct 2021

Has that knuckle head ever heard of the rise of the third reich? Holy shit, maybe he wasn't the best SC pick. What the fucking hell!!!!

dsc

(52,155 posts)
20. No he wouldn't have
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 08:30 PM
Oct 2021

there would have been a special election which would have been called quickly but it would have been an election not an appointment.

ecstatic

(32,679 posts)
15. If true, fire him NOW!
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 08:15 PM
Oct 2021

He's not fit for the job or the moment. Hire a black woman. From what I can see, we're the only ones trying to hold these terrorists accountable (in GA and NY).

Baitball Blogger

(46,698 posts)
18. Fucking sake.
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 08:19 PM
Oct 2021

They are radicalized. Period. When they go back to their communities without any real penalties they will be received like heroes.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
19. The fact that even Judges are saying Garland's prosecutors
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 08:22 PM
Oct 2021

are wrong by pushing for such weak sentences shows that this is a terrible plan and a serious threat to the rule of law.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
21. got to make hay while the sun shines
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 08:44 PM
Oct 2021

Judges, Prosecutors Diverge on Sentencing Jan. 6 Capitol Rioters
Setting punishments for nonviolent participants in pro-Trump riot reflects array of mitigating and aggravating factors
https://www.wsj.com/articles/judges-prosecutors-diverge-on-sentencing-jan-6-capitol-rioters-11634203801
“It doesn’t matter how many cases are brought, they all have to be sorted out individually and consistently for similar conduct,” he said. “If you are surprised by how a judge sentences someone, you have to realize that’s the discretion the judge has.”

Twelve of the Jan. 6 defendants were sentenced before this week’s hearings, according to a Justice Department list released last week. Most received either probation or a few months in jail, having generally not engaged in violence and pleaded guilty early to misdemeanors. Many others who have entered guilty pleas are scheduled to be sentenced in the coming months; hundreds more have pleaded not guilty and are continuing to fight the charges.


Attorney General Merrick Garland says prosecutors ‘are making determinations in every case about what charge fits the offense, what charge fits the law.’
Attorney General Merrick Garland has told other Justice Department officials he is concerned that jailing rioters who weren’t hard-core extremists for extensive periods could further radicalize them, according to people familiar with the matter, a concern he has expressed more broadly about defendants entering the criminal justice system. But he has left recommending sentences to the prosecutors directly involved, who have been making decisions based on nine factors, court documents indicate.

Prosecutors “are making determinations in every case about what charge fits the offense, what charge fits the law,” Mr. Garland said, speaking at the New Yorker Festival last week. “I am quite aware that there are people who are criticizing us for not prosecuting sufficiently and others who are complaining that we are prosecuting too harshly. This is, you know, part of the territory for any prosecutor in any case.”

Many cases have been delayed as prosecutors struggle to share with defense lawyers thousands of hours of footage from security and officers’ body cameras, along with hundreds of thousands of documents related to the broader investigation. Prosecutors have asked to delay the first trial, scheduled to begin next month, to finish turning over the footage and documents to the defense team.


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Fiendish Thingy

(15,568 posts)
23. Ah, so there's the context- thanks for posting
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 08:53 PM
Oct 2021

So Garland is worried about “non-extremists” (assuming he means the trespassing only misdemeanour defendants who are pleading guilty and cooperating) getting radicalized, but is leaving sentencing recommendations up to each USA, and judges are often giving harsher sentences than recommended.

Nowhere in this excerpt do I a quote from Garland suggesting the violent militia members who coordinated their assault on the Capitol should be prosecuted or receive harsh sentences.

I don’t have a problem with this story.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
24. there is that one sentence attributed to no one
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 08:57 PM
Oct 2021

and really that's the only thing that counts. Well that and something about stomachs and backbones.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,568 posts)
22. I don't care how radicalized they are if they're in jail.
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 08:48 PM
Oct 2021

No context for Garlands comments makes it hard to respond to.

Scrivener7

(50,935 posts)
26. Craaaaaaapppppp.
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 09:17 PM
Oct 2021

I guess that is all the really important stuff that has been going on behind the scenes that we've been promised.

Damn it. This is bad.

elias7

(3,997 posts)
28. Their masters will radicalize them more. Absence of consequences will open the floodgates.
Fri Oct 15, 2021, 05:14 PM
Oct 2021

I strongly disagree with the AG’s statement.

Hotler

(11,412 posts)
29. More for you to lock up. Get with it Sir, quit fucking around.
Fri Oct 15, 2021, 05:23 PM
Oct 2021

Fascist are knocking on our door. If you don't put the fascist in prison before they gain back power they will come you, Biden, Hillary, Nancy, and the rest of us. Do not underestimate their hate.

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