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(65,227 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)It's infuriating. It accomplishes nothing other than to serve as a cynical ploy to create distrust and suspicion and to paint Biden as being corrupt or incompetent. In the end, it only serves to divide and weaken us. The lies and smears and attacks only serve to create an atmosphere of negativity: Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,419 posts)The ire seems aimed where it should be - the Democrats who are working with republicons in oppositionto Biden.
Biden and nearly all of the Democrats have done their jobs and kept their word on the BBB deal. Despite democratic opposition, republicon dirty tricks, and a non-friendly media. So far Biden has done great. Not perfect, but not at all "corrupt or incompetent".
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)That's all I can safely say.
George II
(67,782 posts)....in opposition to Biden.
Some like to claim certain Democrats of doing so, but that's definitely not true.
JanMichael
(24,873 posts)Please stop blaming everybody else for Democratic woes. I wonder if Sarandon was responsible for Cal Cunningham unzipping his pants?
If the Democratic Senate committee and Schumer hadn't pushed Cunningham I think we'd have a 51-49 advantage instead of this 50/50 b******* with Sinema and Manchin holding everybody hostage.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,419 posts)I wonder if he regrets clearing the way for her now.
George II
(67,782 posts)Grasswire2
(13,565 posts)I'm sick of ppl blaming rank and file Democrats for their opinions.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Because of her outspoken support of Jill Fucking Stein, it's clear to anyone paying attention that references to Sarandon are about the general election that she helped to influence by siphoning votes away from Hillary Clinton. Last primary? Poppycock!
Grasswire2
(13,565 posts)Got any more to say?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Got any more to say?
George II
(67,782 posts)Grasswire2
(13,565 posts)bull puckey.
You're the one yammering here. You're one of the ones trying to quash rank and file Dems every time they express their opinion about current matters in discussion -- opinions that are offensive to you.
I lived with a pathological narcissist for 24 years. I have an idea of what bullying is.
Please. Continue. As you were saying....?
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Grasswire2
(13,565 posts)What is the point here? It never ends. Never. 2016 is six years ago.
Let DU-ers speak their minds, state their opinions of Dems, and advocate whatever change they want to see. Every voice counts, every vote counts.
O-U-T.
JanMichael
(24,873 posts)Hell you even mention that Facebook is bad and they get pissy.
George II
(67,782 posts)Grasswire2
(13,565 posts)It's just very tiring and non-productive to watch others try to shut up rank and file Dems for stating their opinion.
Look forward. Not back.
Cha
(296,848 posts)Link to tweet
Link to tweet
She controversially cast her vote for Jill Stein and implied Hillary was more dangerous than Trump, but the Oscar-winning actress says she has no regrets.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/susan-sarandon-is-still-glad-hillary-didnt-get-elected-we-would-be-at-war
That Lying Pissant will be called out.. she's NO Democrat.
much needed....
Cha
(296,848 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... are doomed to repeat it.
Cha
(296,848 posts)Last edited Sun Oct 17, 2021, 01:19 AM - Edit history (1)
in the General Election.. said "Hillary was more Dangerous than trump."SS was a GD 3id party Stein pusher & voter.
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
Oh and Nader is a stupid TweeleDUM & Dee.
George II
(67,782 posts)....she IS responsible for this:
*note: this was during the general election campaign, long after the primaries had concluded
And this:
We thinking people don't let anything that has negatively impacted our country and our future "out of our heads" simply because it didn't happen/wasn't said in the last week or two.
As for Schumer "pushing Cunningham", Cunningham's scandal came out in OCTOBER 2020, a month before the election! Had Schumer not continued supporting Cunningham there would have been no doubt of the election result a month later. You wanted Schumer to bail on a Democratic candidate a month before the election?????
JanMichael
(24,873 posts)To think so is insane. I'm talking about the primaries well before the general election and Cunningham not being able to control a zipper. Schumer and the Democratic committee pushed Cunningham because Jackson didn't want to sit in the windowless basement and make calls.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nationalreview.com/2019/10/chuck-schumer-windowless-basement-strategy-for-winning-back-the-senate/amp/
I sure hope they don't f*** it up again this time in 2022. Sure would be nice to actually have a majority not just a tiebreaker in the Senate.
But I still think blaming Sarandon and even Nader at this point is laughable. Ditching that 50 state strategy was probably more impactful. Also not paying much attention to the so-called blue wall wasn't very smart. And if you look back on it Gore won the popular vote as did Hillary Clinton. Is it Sarandon's fault that the Republicans play the electoral college better? Is it Nader's fault that the US Supreme Court stopped the Florida supreme Court from counting the votes Florida?
I just think you're giving away too much credit to Susan Sarandon. And not looking at the bigger picture only the boogeyman. But hey that's the way some of us roll here on DU.
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George II
(67,782 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....supporting or voting for Hillary Clinton in the General Election. She has 750,000+ followers on Twitter. Like it or not for whatever reasons she's influential.
It's Nader's fault that he was even on the ballot in Florida and other states. Had he not run the Supreme Court wouldn't have had to stop counting votes.
Escurumbele
(3,378 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)been saying this is all tfg fault for months now.
NJCher
(35,620 posts)Years ago when I worked for a pharmaceutical company, I had a very wise woman boss. I'll never forget what she said to me one day about criticism. It was before we went into a meeting, and I anticipated criticism of one of our programs. She said, "Criticism is good. It helps us improve our programs."
Indeed, in that meeting we did receive criticism. We both used it to improve the idea we wanted to enact.
In my grad school research class we learned the role of criticism in higher education. It is to improve.
That is why having a failed republican party is a detriment to us all.
This graphic shows exactly why.
They criticize but never with any hope of making the situation better. It is only to score points for themselves. To cripple the person who is out there in the arena, actually trying to do something.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,419 posts)And to further that point, one of the things that often aggravates me about this site is that actual criticism of anyone with a D after their name is immediately pounced upon by a certain gang as an "attack". It's not.
Legitimate criticism should be given sincere consideration and acted on.
Republicons really don't criticize. They are just monkeys flinging feces, nothing more.
HUAJIAO
(2,379 posts)( I have actually been here for quite some time, previously under a different name.)
FoxNewsSucks
(10,419 posts)"corporate-friendly" "conservative-friendly" "establishment-friendly" backing to some posters, and an immediate actual attack on any who don't fall in line.
George II
(67,782 posts)What's wrong with that?
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,960 posts)Note the insinuation of post #14's words "corporate-friendly backing".
If they have evidence they should write to the admins and not dump evidence-free crap here.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,419 posts)That's my perception and opinion. You can think it crap if you like.
Or you can offer something that would change that opinion. That's up to you. Squealing like a stuck pig, however, won't.
I recall that people thought it "crap" when Hillary Clinton spoke of a vast rightwing conspiracy didn't they. Yet she was far from wrong about that.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,960 posts)I still think it is an inappropriate allegation for the forums even if you do feel that way.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,419 posts)I agree that it would be wrong to name individuals without proof, but I can't help the perceptions I get when observing patterns and behavior.
"Seems" often is a weasel word, but in this case that's all I mean. That's how it seems. I'm more than willing to consider any other explanation.
It's not far-fetched at all, either. While the post below which was removed accused some of being russians in an impolite way, who can prove that also is not the case? We know trolls both foreign and domestic manipulate and exploit facebook and other sites, it's very reasonable to think those with varied interests would seek to influence, exploit or otherwise manipulate the information seen here.
After all, someone thought this site important enough to attack and shut it down on election day 2016. People like that are still out there.
George II
(67,782 posts)...."Russo-pheliac trolls."
Celerity
(43,110 posts)The establishment is a term used to describe a dominant group or elite that controls a polity or an organization. It may comprise a closed social group that selects its own members, or entrenched élite structures in specific institutions. One can refer to any relatively small class or group of people who can exercise control as The Establishment.
Conversely, in the jargon of sociology, anyone who does not belong to The Establishment may be labelled an "outsider" (as opposed to an "insider" ). Anti-authoritarian and anti-establishment ideologies question the legitimacy of establishments, even seeing their influence on society as anti-democratic.
The term in its modern sense was popularized by the British journalist Henry Fairlie, who in September 1955 in the London magazine The Spectator defined the network of prominent, well-connected people as "the Establishment". He wrote::
By the Establishment, I do not only mean the centres of official powerthough they are certainly part of itbut rather the whole matrix of official and social relations within which power is exercised. The exercise of power in the United Kingdom (more specifically, in England) cannot be understood unless it is recognized that it is exercised socially.
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United States
Experts talk about what C. Wright Mills called the "power elite", and about leadership communities in policy areas such as foreign policy. Many of these families often have ties to older East Coast cities such as Boston, New York City, Philadelphia and Newport, Rhode Island. One such group of interconnected elite families is the Boston Brahmins. Many in the East Coast establishment have ties to Ivy League colleges and to prep schools in New England and the Northeast.
In political science and sociology, elite theory is a theory of the state that seeks to describe and explain power relationships in contemporary society. The theory posits that a small minority, consisting of members of the economic elite and policy-planning networks, holds the most powerand that this power is independent of democratic elections. Through positions in corporations or on corporate boards, and influence over policy-planning networks through financial support of foundations or positions with think tanks or policy-discussion groups, members of the "elite" exert significant power over corporate and government decisions.
The basic characteristics of this theory are that power is concentrated, the elites are unified, the non-elites are diverse and powerless, elites' interests are unified due to common backgrounds and positions and the defining characteristic of power is institutional position. Elite theory opposes pluralism (more than one system of power), a tradition that emphasized how multiple major social groups and interests have influence upon and various forms of representation within more powerful sets of rulers, contributing to decently representative political outcomes that reflect the collective needs of a society.
C. Wright Mills
Mills published his book The Power Elite in 1956, in which he claimed to present a new sociological perspective on systems of power in the United States. He identified a triumvirate of power groupspolitical, economic and militarywhich form a distinguishable, although not unified, power-wielding body in the United States.
Mills proposed that this group had been generated through a process of rationalization at work in all advanced industrial societies whereby the mechanisms of power became concentrated, funnelling overall control into the hands of a limited, somewhat corrupt group. This reflected a decline in politics as an arena for debate and relegation to a merely formal level of discourse. This macro-scale analysis sought to point out the degradation of democracy in "advanced" societies and the fact that power generally lies outside the boundaries of elected representatives.
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Thomas Ferguson
The political scientist Thomas Ferguson's Investment Theory of Party Competition can be thought of as an elite theory. Set out most extensively in his 1995 book Golden Rule: The Investment Theory of Party Competition and the Logic of Money-driven Political Systems, the theory begins by noting that in modern political systems the cost of acquiring political awareness is so great that no citizen can afford it. As a consequence, these systems tend be dominated by those who can, most typically elites and corporations. These elites then seek to influence politics by 'investing' in the parties or policies they support through political contributions and other means such as endorsements in the media.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,419 posts)Often, the mainstream moves on and leaves "The Establishment" behind. When progress and improvement is hindered by "The Establishment", that harms us all.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,960 posts)Response to FoxNewsSucks (Reply #14)
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George II
(67,782 posts)sheshe2
(83,654 posts)You don't seem to respect your fellow DUers much. You just accused some of us here of being Russian trolls. Are you going to build your case against us brick by brick or just throw out wild accusations about your fellows DUers.
I would say you could do better than that, yet the past is hard to forget. I remember your words well.
George II
(67,782 posts)Great tune for a Saturday night!
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)betsuni
(25,380 posts)We all live together with Edward Snowden in an old brick building and spend our days supporting the Democratic Party on DU, making dumplings with delicious fillings (depends on what looks good at the market that day), singing sad songs about our hometowns in the Russian countryside, and reading Dostoevsky's "Notes from Democratic Underground." I hope we will not be purged!
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)Сладкая Россия, мой дом, милый дом
betsuni
(25,380 posts)We were accused of being paid shills for supporting Democrats on a forum for Democrats. Now we're paid Russian trolls for supporting Democrats on a forum for Democrats.
And it is very, very suspicious that not all DU members live in the same time zone, but the planet is round and has different time zones! There are even different time zones within a country like the U.S. and Russia! Some people in the U.S. are awake at night! Not every country with a different time zone is Russia! Russian trolls do not support the Democratic Party!
Cha
(296,848 posts)Aloha ❤️
❤️
Grasswire2
(13,565 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(144,925 posts)Escurumbele
(3,378 posts)meme that affects Biden negatively. MAGATs don't have the intellect to understand that it is not Biden, it was the buffoon who did and caused all that.
Remember that when Obama was president repubs were still blaming things on Clinton.
Skittles
(153,113 posts)yes