Sun Oct 17, 2021, 12:47 PM
Kid Berwyn (12,203 posts)
William Shatner is a son of a bitch (in the very best sense of the term)
Earth as seen from Apollo 14 in lunar orbit…
![]() What the late astronaut Edgar Mitchell observed from the moon: “You develop an instant global consciousness, a people orientation, an intense dissatisfaction with the state of the world, and a compulsion to do something about it. From out there on the moon, international politics look so petty. You want to grab a politician by the scruff of the neck and drag him a quarter of a million miles out and say, ‘Look at that, you son of a bitch.’” ― Edgar D. Mitchell The space traveler, known for his portrayal of the fictional Captain Kirk, observed after his return to earth: Those profound observations of deadly space and our life-supporting home planet were made near-earth, after a sub-orbital flight.
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Kid Berwyn | Oct 2021 | OP |
LizBeth | Oct 2021 | #1 | |
Kid Berwyn | Oct 2021 | #5 | |
LizBeth | Oct 2021 | #11 | |
sl8 | Oct 2021 | #2 | |
Kid Berwyn | Oct 2021 | #6 | |
sl8 | Oct 2021 | #7 | |
CrackityJones75 | Oct 2021 | #3 | |
Kid Berwyn | Oct 2021 | #8 | |
Owl | Oct 2021 | #14 | |
gulliver | Oct 2021 | #4 | |
Kid Berwyn | Oct 2021 | #9 | |
BootinUp | Oct 2021 | #10 | |
Harker | Oct 2021 | #12 | |
Kid Berwyn | Oct 2021 | #15 | |
Harker | Oct 2021 | #18 | |
calimary | Oct 2021 | #13 | |
Kid Berwyn | Oct 2021 | #17 | |
calimary | Oct 2021 | #19 | |
rlegro | Oct 2021 | #16 | |
Kid Berwyn | Oct 2021 | #22 | |
DownriverDem | Oct 2021 | #20 | |
Kid Berwyn | Oct 2021 | #23 | |
hunter | Oct 2021 | #21 | |
Kid Berwyn | Oct 2021 | #25 | |
JI7 | Oct 2021 | #24 | |
Kaleva | Oct 2021 | #26 | |
JI7 | Oct 2021 | #29 | |
Kid Berwyn | Oct 2021 | #27 | |
JI7 | Oct 2021 | #28 | |
Kid Berwyn | Oct 2021 | #30 |
Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 01:16 PM
LizBeth (9,689 posts)
1. And we know his mama to be a bitch, how?
The casualness and coolness calling women and girls a bitch... whatever.
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Response to LizBeth (Reply #1)
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 01:35 PM
Kid Berwyn (12,203 posts)
5. Did you read the OP?
There is nothing in it about any of that.
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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #5)
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 02:46 PM
LizBeth (9,689 posts)
11. First words I read was callin' mama a bitch. I didn't go any further.
No interest after that.
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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)
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Response to sl8 (Reply #2)
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 01:36 PM
Kid Berwyn (12,203 posts)
6. It's from Mitchell's quote.
But, hey! Never miss an opportunity.
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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #6)
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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 01:25 PM
CrackityJones75 (2,403 posts)
3. And of course we will focus on the term he used.
Unless someone dies something 100% perfect, with complete purity, we will completely miss the broad point.
Not the use of the term broad was meant to illustrate the breadth of the issue. |
Response to CrackityJones75 (Reply #3)
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 01:49 PM
Kid Berwyn (12,203 posts)
8. Thanks! Was trying to show how the view from space brings insight.
When Sen. John Glenn retuned to earth after his flight aboard the shuttle Discovery, he described how different the atmosphere looked, compared to his earlier flight aboard Friendship 7. Its color had changed from a beautiful blue in 1962 to a brownish blue in 1998.
I am unable to find the source or quote. Unlike the air we breathe, I think it’s been scrubbed. |
Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 01:25 PM
gulliver (12,717 posts)
4. He made the best possible use of the publicity.
Awesome job on his part.
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Response to gulliver (Reply #4)
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 01:52 PM
Kid Berwyn (12,203 posts)
9. Shatner really did.
Sounded sharp and kind, unlike his critics’ portrayals.
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Response to gulliver (Reply #4)
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 02:25 PM
BootinUp (44,431 posts)
10. Lol. I forgive him.
Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 03:10 PM
Harker (12,573 posts)
12. Aside from being reminded to keep up my readings of astronaut's books...
I also learned that a female otter is a bitch.
Thanks, and regards on your patience. |
Response to Harker (Reply #12)
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 03:29 PM
Kid Berwyn (12,203 posts)
15. Much appreciated. Got a book idea and a website to rec...
If you like biographies:
Korolev: How One Man Masterminded the Soviet Drive to Beat America to the Moon by James Harford Stuff that makes hours fly by: http://www.astronautix.com/ An example: ![]() http://www.astronautix.com/l/leklunarexpionarycomplex.html |
Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #15)
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 03:41 PM
Harker (12,573 posts)
18. Oh, yes...
Right up my alley.
It's appalling how little I know of the Soviet space program. I'll get that lined up for when I've read "Earthrise." ![]() |
Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 03:12 PM
calimary (76,089 posts)
13. That Edgar Mitchell comment is one helluva quote. A keeper!
May have to use it at the top of the next Call to Action email. Historic!
Keeping it, just anyway! Will check the Shatner comment, too. |
Response to calimary (Reply #13)
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 03:39 PM
Kid Berwyn (12,203 posts)
17. An idea relevant to the current political situation.
Edgar Mitchell sets up an Apollo lunar surface experiments package made up of a set of scientific instruments placed at the landing site. The instruments were designed to run autonomously for long term studies of the moon's environment.
![]() “I theorize that there is a spectrum of consciousness available to human beings. At one end is material consciousness. At the other end is what we call 'field' consciousness, where a person is at one with the universe, perceiving the universe. Just by looking at our planet on the way back, I saw or felt a field consciousness state.” — Edgar D. Mitchell, PhD. |
Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 03:33 PM
rlegro (328 posts)
16. Alan Shephard and Gus Grissom...
... were the first two U.S. astronauts launched into space duing Project Mercury. Both flew 15-minute suborbital flights. No one back in the early '60s or since has ever questioned their courage, excitement or views about their voyage. In fact, they were both fairly button-down in their comments, but that may have been because they didn't have a picture window to look out of and were occupied with controls. But even in a suborbtial flight, even despite its brevity, you can look at a porthole and see the curvature of the Earth below and the blackness of space sprinkled with more bright stars than you can count, thanks to vacuum. The Blue Horizon portholes are more like picture windows.
I have no doubt the passengers on both the flights so far (who didn't really have to worry about flying the craft) had a sense of wonder rmoment. Hell, those of us still Earthbound who saw still photographs of Earth rising over the moon in front of Apollo 8 had that moment. More important, Shatner's comments seemed heartfelt and were on the mark when it came to recognizing that we indeed live on a pale blue dot and we'd better take care of it. |
Response to rlegro (Reply #16)
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 04:59 PM
Kid Berwyn (12,203 posts)
22. Thanks. Shepard and Grissom were -- are -- two of my heroes.
Sheperd was the only Mercury astronaut to walk on the moon. He had been grounded after his Freedom 7 flight — grounded by an inner ear condition. He persevered for years — missing out on Gemini — until he was cleared medically again for flight.
![]() Remastered images reveal how far Alan Shepard hit a golf ball on the Moon 50 years ago, the Apollo 14 astronaut hit a golf ball that traveled roughly 40 yards. JENNIFER OUELLETTE Ars Technica - 2/4/2021, Excerpt… The idea for Shepard's golfing stunt came out of a 1970 visit by comedian Bob Hope to NASA headquarters in Houston. An avid golfer, Hope cracked a joke about hitting a golf ball on the Moon, and Shepard thought it would be an excellent means of conveying to people watching back on Earth the difference in the strength of gravity. So he paid a pro named Jack Harden at the River Oaks Country Club in Houston to adapt a Wilson Staff 6-iron head so that it could be attached to a collapsible aluminum and Teflon sample collector. Once NASA's Technical Services division added some finishing touches, Shepard practiced his golf swing at a course in Houston while wearing his 200-plus-pound spacesuit to prepare. Most popular accounts describe Shepard as "smuggling" two balls and a golf club onto the spacecraft, but according to a later interview with Shepard, that wasn't the case. The astronaut ran the idea past then-NASA director Bob Gilruth, who was initially opposed but relented once Shepard laid out the precise details. Shepard also assured Gilruth that the stunt would only be done once all the official exploration tasks had been completed and then only if the mission had gone off without a hitch. On February 6, Shepard brought out the club and two balls. His spacesuit was too bulky to use both hands, so he swung the makeshift club with just his right hand. After two swings that were "more dirt than ball," he made contact with the ball on his third swing, "shanking" it into a nearby crater. ("Looked like a slice to me, Al," Apollo 13 pilot Fred Haise joked while watching from Mission Control.) But Shepard nailed his fourth attempt. He sent the ball soaring out of camera range and declared that it traveled for "miles and miles and miles." And as he had anticipated, the impressive 30-second time of flight perfectly showcased the difference in gravity between the Earth and the Moon. Not to be left out, crewmate Edgar Mitchell used a pole from a solar wind experiment as a javelin, which landed near the first golf ball. Once back on Earth, Shepard donated his makeshift club to the USGA museum and had a reproduction made that is now on display at the Smithsonian. The location of the first ball Shepard hit has been known for quite some time—it's sitting in a crater next to Mitchell's javelin, about 24 yards from where Shepard stood when he took his swing. Saunders' remastering of archival photos enabled him to locate the second ball that traveled farther, as well as one of the divots in the lunar soil. Continues… https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/02/remastered-images-reveal-how-far-alan-shepard-hit-a-golf-ball-on-the-moon/ Did you hear Gus’ capsule hatch may have blown open due to an unexpected static charge and not due to any action on the part of the astronaut? ![]() New Evidence Shows That Gus Grissom Did Not Accidentally Sink His Own Spacecraft 60 Years Ago Careful analysis of the recovery film showed it was static electricity that doomed the Liberty Bell 7. By Tony Reichhardt AIRSPACEMAG.COM , JULY 21, 2021 It’s one of the great mysteries of the early space age. How did Mercury astronaut Gus Grissom, after a near-perfect flight on just the second U.S. space mission, inadvertently “blow” the escape hatch prematurely on his Liberty Bell 7 capsule, causing it to fill with water and sink in the Atlantic? In fact, did Grissom blow the hatch? Or was some technical glitch to blame? Grissom himself insisted he hadn’t accidentally triggered the explosive bolts designed to open the hatch during his ocean recovery. His NASA colleagues, by and large, believed him. Years later, Apollo flight director Gene Kranz told historians Francis French and Colin Burgess, “If Gus says he didn’t do it, he didn’t do it.” And, as writer George Leopold points out in his 2016 biography, Calculated Risk: The Supersonic Life and Times of Gus Grissom, NASA would later pick Grissom for the first shakedown flights of its Gemini and Apollo spacecraft—hardly what you’d expect if the agency had lost confidence in him. But in his bestselling book The Right Stuff, author Tom Wolfe played the incident for laughs, reporting that test pilots outside NASA thought Grissom had, in their vernacular, “screwed the pooch.” The episode hung over the astronaut’s head until his premature death in 1967 in the Apollo 1 fire. Now Leopold and Andy Saunders, a space photo expert and author of Apollo Remastered, think they’ve solved the mystery of what really happened to Liberty Bell 7 that day. An electrical discharge during the recovery operation—not a panicky or clumsy astronaut—caused the hatch to blow. Their detailed analysis is published today in Astronomy magazine. Here’s how the capsule recovery was supposed to go: While Liberty Bell 7 bobbed in the water with Grissom inside, the rescue helicopter would move in close enough for co-pilot John Reinhard to lean out and snip off a long antenna on the capsule with a cutting tool. The helicopter would then hook onto the capsule and raise it enough for the hatch to be fully above water. Grissom would hit a button to blow the hatch, then climb out through the open hatchway to be hoisted on a sling into the helicopter. Continues… https://www.airspacemag.com/daily-planet/new-evidence-shows-gus-grissom-did-not-accidentally-sink-his-own-spacecraft-sixty-years-ago-180978240/ As you know, legro, Gus Grissom, with crew mates Edward White and Roger Chaffee would lose their lives in the Apollo 1 fire. Shepard died too young, as well, felled by leukemia. As the poet said, “Our time here isn’t long.” |
Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 03:46 PM
DownriverDem (5,874 posts)
20. Watch Captain Kirk
most week nights on H & I. Then TNG after that.
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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #20)
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 06:39 PM
Kid Berwyn (12,203 posts)
23. As Gen Barton, he saw an angry Venusian staring through the capsule window...
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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 04:52 PM
hunter (37,012 posts)
21. Moron humanity hasn't realized how close we are to death.
They still think earth's thin atmosphere and oceans have an unlimited capacity to take our shit.
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Response to hunter (Reply #21)
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 07:20 PM
Kid Berwyn (12,203 posts)
25. Willfull Ignorance
Amazing levels of psychotic and self-righteous sociopathy. What makes me sad is that these are the wealthiest times in human history and legislators ignore what actions the times demand to protect the financial interests of the have-mores.
From DU on Friday, May 13, 2005: A Planet Full of Hitlers The world's billionaires, led by the Bush "madministration," are acting like a planet of full of Hitlers. They are willing to invade whatever region in the world has what the world needs most -- oil. Black gold. Texas tea. Petrodollars. They figure they have all the money. And basically, apart from a Soros here and a Gates there, they do. And thus, the world's billionaires and their hounds of the BFEE want to spend it all before they die. And they have the plan and cash on hand to do so. Consider the Bush agenda: All War. All the Time. Government spending for the MI-Complex, transferring trillions to the wealthy corporate owners, war and all. These are the likes of the "industrialists" Mussolini, Franco and Hitler so loved. And like the fascist trifecta, the American fascists of the BFEE have bought all the political power. Don't just think Tom Roach Motel DeLay and Mr. Friskie Frist. Remember Prescott Bush and Averell Harriman and Allen Dulles and Rheinhard Gehlen and Igor Orlov. What can we do about it? They've bought all the legal power, built law schools for Federalist Society AND Opus Dei judges. Think Bill Eagle Eye Rehnquist and Antonin Fat Tony Scalia. These turds of the BFEE have worked all the tax breaks and bankrupty laws for the rich. Uncle Sam reverse-Robin Hoods wealth to the top 1-percent of country. And what do these rich turds who prop up Bush use their tax savings on? They certainly haven't invested it in making America a better place to work or live; they've invested in "off-shoring." Lots of the tax money goes to buy more vacation homes, yachts and jet planes. Most goes offshore to the Caymans and Switzerland. And of course they want more without having to pay for the damage to the environment. Farmland depletion in the USA. Rain forest depletion around the globe. Oceans getting acidic. Fish stock depletion. Global air pollution and water shortages. Well. OK. Maybe a case can be made it's the rich folk's money. They can do what they want. But they should pay their fair share of taxes! After all, the rest of society helps keep them in their position. And its our brothers and sisters in the armed forces who are giving their lives to keep their oil and power and privilege. Budget red ink means no money for middle class. No money for schools. No money for cities and suburbs and farms. No money for roads. No money for science and R and D. No money for the future. And the media? What media? What Fairness Doctrine? They cover up their materialism and venality with all the talk about Faith-based this and Conservative-values that. But the reality is these are sinister wolves and satanic bed-wetting bastards in sheep's clothing we are dealing with. Wasn't that what Bush really meant when he told Bob Woodward "History? Who cares about history? In a hundred years we'll all be dead." Just like Hitler. And just like Hitler, Bush (and now his political heir, Barr’s boy Trump) wants to take us all with him. The super wealthy think they will survive. They have no clue. |
Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 06:55 PM
JI7 (87,947 posts)
24. That's the only home we have and we are destroying it
Response to JI7 (Reply #24)
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 07:28 PM
Kaleva (34,716 posts)
26. Earth is a death trap for all living things on the planet.
Our long term survival depends on our ability to colonize other planets.
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Response to Kaleva (Reply #26)
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 11:09 PM
JI7 (87,947 posts)
29. Yes, but we wont have time to figure that out unless we save this planet in the short term
Response to JI7 (Reply #24)
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 10:09 PM
Kid Berwyn (12,203 posts)
27. One of the great things about it is it's perfect.
Earth supports life in a perfect balance. Unfortunately, too many Greedheads have ruined much of it, but there may still be time for action that saves us. Humanity has the will and the People vote in government to institute change. But, the Owners like the stuff low taxes buys them, especially banks and politicians.
![]() The Blue Sphere We are surrounded by the majestic statement of the sea and the ever changing murmur of the forests; we share all these miracles with our lively cousins: the ones that fly the ones that crawl the ones that swim the ones that run all seeking the blessings of Mother Nature. But all the ones that walk: the builders of cathedrals, pyramids, great walls and temples to the sun, we still look at each other with hatred and misgivings while seeking the forgiveness of a forgotten God. -- by Adolfo Chipoco, MD |
Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #27)
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 11:08 PM
JI7 (87,947 posts)
28. I'm always amazed at how huge Africa is
Like, I Know it's huge and have for a long time . But still seeing it in this type of image is still amazing everytime .
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Response to JI7 (Reply #28)
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 06:28 PM
Kid Berwyn (12,203 posts)
30. Africa from space...
![]() The International Memorial to the Underground Railroad Created by Ed Dwight ![]() Ed Dwight Was Going to Be the First African American in Space. Until He Wasn’t The Kennedy administration sought a diverse face to the space program, but for reasons unknown, the pilot was kept from reaching the stars Shareef Jackson Smithsonian Magazine, February 18, 2020 In the early 1960s, U.S. Air Force pilot Ed Dwight was drowning in mail. “I received about 1,500 pieces of mail a week, which were stored in large containers at Edwards Air Force Base. Some of it came to my mother in Kansas City,” Dwight, now 86, recalls. Fans from around the world were writing to congratulate Dwight on becoming the first African American astronaut candidate. “Most of my mail was just addressed to Astronaut Dwight, Kansas City, Kansas.” The letters, however, were premature. Dwight would never get the opportunity to go to space—despite the publicity and hype—for reasons that remain unclear even to this day. Dwight was working at the time as a test pilot at Edwards in the Mojave Desert of California, the U.S. Air Force’s premier experimental flight base and a pathway to entering the astronaut corps of NASA. He trained in the Aerospace Research Pilot School, run by aviation icon Chuck Yeager, the first person to break the sound barrier. Edwards holds a legendary status, then and now, as the premier flight test facility of the Air Force, where the likes of Gus Grissom and Gordon Cooper, two of the original Mercury 7 astronauts, and Neil Armstrong, selected in the second group of astronauts, trained as test pilots in experimental jets over the vast high desert that often served as an impromptu runway. During his time at Edwards, Dwight flew jets such as the Lockheed F-104 Starfighter, a supersonic aircraft capable of soaring into the high atmosphere where the pilot could observe the curvature of the Earth. “The first time you do this it’s like, ‘Oh my God, what the hell? Look at this,’” Dwight recently told the New York Times. “You can actually see this beautiful blue layer that the Earth is encased in. It’s absolutely stunning.” Snip… Around this time, Kennedy encouraged leaders in all the military branches to work to improve diversity among their officers. When the first group of NASA astronauts were selected in 1959, the nation’s military officer pilots, initially the only people who could apply to be astronauts, included no people of color. But as Murrow advocated for a black astronaut, Dwight was rising to the rank of captain in the Air Force, armed with an aeronautics degree from Arizona State University and enough flying hours to qualify for the flight test school at Edwards. Continues… https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ed-dwight-first-african-american-space-until-wasnt-180974215/ ![]() |