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CousinIT

(9,239 posts)
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 08:42 PM Oct 2021

Eric Clapton's SAD Final Act.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/eric-clapton-s-covid-vaccine-conspiracies-mark-sad-final-act-ncna1281619

Bigotry and ignorance, in the age of the internet, have a way of catching up with you. And Clapton’s racism and conspiracy theories can no longer be ignored.

Clapton may have been branded Rolling Stone magazine’s second-greatest guitarist of all time, and is a three-time Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductee who has inspired legions to try to follow in his footsteps, but the shiny veneer papering over his belief systems has always been paper thin.

The shiny veneer papering over his belief systems has always been paper thin.

Clapton himself has admitted to being an arrogant, immature “blues purist” during his early career — a time when fans were scrawling “Clapton Is God” graffiti around London. And he left both John Mayall’s Bluesbreakers and the Yardbirds in the lurch, before global superstardom with Cream and the career-defining magnificence of “Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs” sealed his legend status.

What came after that can now be seen as a long, slow decline, culminating in a series of self-inflicted wounds regarding Covid-19. Since last year, Clapton has repeatedly used his vast platform to do his utmost to undermine expert medical advice. He claimed that he was experiencing temporary adverse reactions to the Astrazeneca vaccine, but detailed symptoms he'd disclosed as early as 2013 and previously blamed on neurological problems. He has opposed lockdowns and made suspicious claims about the dangers of vaccines. This spring, he said in videos posted on a friend’s YouTube channel that scientific studies, expert opinions and public health recommendations extolling the importance of vaccines were “propaganda,” and most recently doubled down by vowing he wouldn’t perform to what he termed “discriminated audiences” in venues requiring proof of vaccination.

As some on Twitter noted, Clapton has never really hidden his true nature.
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Eric Clapton's SAD Final Act. (Original Post) CousinIT Oct 2021 OP
Anything after Layla, except for "Riding with the King", in my mind was pretty average ... marble falls Oct 2021 #1
Yeah. I won't buy his stuff again. Captain Zero Oct 2021 #3
And the inspiration for Layla... SergeStorms Oct 2021 #34
Wasn't Mac Davis's wife involved, too? marble falls Oct 2021 #48
Not to my recollection.... SergeStorms Oct 2021 #57
Mac's wife ran off with Glen Cambell at a round the same ... marble falls Oct 2021 #65
Thanks. SergeStorms Oct 2021 #69
I was so lucky in so many, many ways. I ducked more bullets than I ever had any reason to ... marble falls Oct 2021 #73
I think it was Marc Maron and Dean Delray who observed on their podcast Eliot Rosewater Oct 2021 #2
Two musicians who both were influenced by black blues musicians and both played with Muddy Waters... hlthe2b Oct 2021 #4
Levon Helm is considered almost a saint where I live ... Straw Man Oct 2021 #46
I've seen many a DUer take a defensive pragmatic political stance hlthe2b Oct 2021 #47
Like condoning a politician's overtly racist acts? Straw Man Oct 2021 #66
You did just that hlthe2b Oct 2021 #67
Please show me where I called Helm a racist. Straw Man Oct 2021 #72
Mostly Agree ProfessorGAC Oct 2021 #68
While time will expose one true nature Ferryboat Oct 2021 #5
What? here: 1976. Racist Rant. Voltaire2 Oct 2021 #70
Nearly 30 years later, given the opportunity to recant.... Spider Jerusalem Oct 2021 #74
kinda sad that consider_this Oct 2021 #6
Use this one next time...one of Phil's rare songs he sings on Lochloosa Oct 2021 #14
I love this video! SalviaBlue Oct 2021 #54
Saw them do it in St Pete, Fl 86 Lochloosa Oct 2021 #58
That is sad.. Clapton is the one who Cha Oct 2021 #7
Liked him when he played in Wynton Marsalis's Band. Corrine, Corrine...with Taj Maha;///// OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2021 #8
A closer walk with thee,,,,, OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2021 #11
Wow!Thought the stage might fall down under the weight of all that talent Walleye Oct 2021 #64
It is sad. Turbineguy Oct 2021 #9
Over the years, the more I have read Mr.Bill Oct 2021 #10
Correct. I still love van Morrison records Walleye Oct 2021 #13
Long time Van fan. As per my screen name. vanlassie Oct 2021 #25
I have every Van album and a lot of Clapton's too. I still listen, though Van's latest is the themaguffin Oct 2021 #59
Roger Daltrey is one of those rpannier Oct 2021 #17
And then there are the exceptions. tavernier Oct 2021 #28
UK has always been fully as racist stopdiggin Oct 2021 #31
Didn't Cream record a song written by Skip James to give him the royalt Walleye Oct 2021 #12
The Rolling Stones did that for a number of old Blues musicians. Mr.Bill Oct 2021 #18
I actually heard just the opposite. That the Stones were wont to crib blues songs without paying. shrike3 Oct 2021 #61
The Stones were influenced by the early Blues musicians Mr.Bill Oct 2021 #63
A music historian I heard interviewed said the bluesmen were credited by the Stones but never paid. shrike3 Oct 2021 #71
Yes, as a young musician Clapton was paying old bluesmen royalties. shrike3 Oct 2021 #62
Him and Van Morrison really make me sad. ismnotwasm Oct 2021 #15
That's it in a nutshell MustLoveBeagles Oct 2021 #16
Clapton relied on high register sustain way too much Bobstandard Oct 2021 #19
An even better comparison is his fellow Yardbird alum Jeff Beck relayerbob Oct 2021 #21
Right where I'm at. plimsoll Oct 2021 #24
OMG ee cummings! thucythucy Oct 2021 #50
Clapton peaked in 1969-70 relayerbob Oct 2021 #20
except that he's on record for saying stopdiggin Oct 2021 #36
Of course relayerbob Oct 2021 #39
Safety wasn't Claptons priority in life. StocktonNative Oct 2021 #22
This is not fair. vanlassie Oct 2021 #26
yes. hateful. and nothing whatever to do with stopdiggin Oct 2021 #37
Clapton could afford safety guards StocktonNative Oct 2021 #38
The housekeeper left the window open radical noodle Oct 2021 #40
No, not "enuff said." The parents were divorced. Clapton didn't live there. vanlassie Oct 2021 #41
Get real...Clapton could have ensured his child or anyone was safe. StocktonNative Oct 2021 #43
You are saying he should have known about the laws in his ex's city. vanlassie Oct 2021 #44
you sound like you have some unresolved daddy issues. mopinko Oct 2021 #49
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2021 #23
fuck him - toxic ego is no excuse; we have the music - plenty - so cut his stupid ass loose bringthePaine Oct 2021 #27
I haven't thought much of him since he spewed this in 1976: catbyte Oct 2021 #29
Jeez that's horrible. Joinfortmill Oct 2021 #35
A couple of slurred n***** words would be bad enough. argyl Oct 2021 #45
In the flesh? dawg Oct 2021 #52
Cream was Cool... JoeOtterbein Oct 2021 #30
A great artist is not always a great person. Joinfortmill Oct 2021 #32
In real life...People reacted to Eric Fascist Rants StocktonNative Oct 2021 #33
Oh and speaking of Layla, the piano coda was stolen from Rita Coolidge unblock Oct 2021 #42
I guess I should have realized when you consider how many different bands he played with Wounded Bear Oct 2021 #51
Stevie Ray Vaughn pawns Clapton's Blues Guitar. Tommymac Oct 2021 #53
Back in the day, Clapton didn't just revere the bluesmen he covered, like other artists did. shrike3 Oct 2021 #55
He stopped being influential long ago Dukkha Oct 2021 #56
FWIW Layla was a masterpiece because of Duane Allman's spectacular guitar work...not Clapton's. pecosbob Oct 2021 #60
Eric Clapton was more than happy to have his photo taken with Greg Abbott. LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2021 #75

marble falls

(57,077 posts)
1. Anything after Layla, except for "Riding with the King", in my mind was pretty average ...
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 08:51 PM
Oct 2021

... his racist "nationalism" put the nail in it for me. Covid only poured concrete over it.

Captain Zero

(6,805 posts)
3. Yeah. I won't buy his stuff again.
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 08:56 PM
Oct 2021

Not really sure it's worth going to the library, borrowing the cd, and ripping it to mp3s. Maybe not worth the gas money to drive over there.

SergeStorms

(19,195 posts)
34. And the inspiration for Layla...
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 11:25 PM
Oct 2021

was coveting his "best friend's" wife. That underhanded act alone led to his ruin, no matter how many times he claimed to "find himself" after that.
After Patti divorced George she came to Clapton, and he supposedly had everything he ever wanted, his "Layla". But his love of alcohol and heroin was greater than his alleged love for Patti, and after much abuse she left him.
He's always carried a chip on his shoulder because his biological Mum abandoned him. But he grew up in a very loving home with his Grandmum and her husband (he had no biological ties to him) so it wasn't as if he lacked for love and a good home.
He brought all of his demons upon himself, and now it appears as if they're eating him alive.

SergeStorms

(19,195 posts)
57. Not to my recollection....
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 01:25 PM
Oct 2021

perhaps after Patti? Of course my recollection is nowhere near what ot used to be. I'm a year younger than Clapton, and soaked myself with alcohol for quite some time too. That and just about every drug under the sun, but never heroin. Not even to snort it, because I KNEW I'd like it too much and it would destroy me.

I've been clean and sober for 22 years now, and quite honestly, I don't miss it one bit. And if I had all the money I wasted on alcohol and drugs I could buy Mar-ma-lardo and burn it to the ground, just for the fun of it.

marble falls

(57,077 posts)
65. Mac's wife ran off with Glen Cambell at a round the same ...
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 04:41 PM
Oct 2021

All us boomers were lucky to make it out the other side.

Good for you, bubba!

SergeStorms

(19,195 posts)
69. Thanks.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 05:53 PM
Oct 2021

I was lucky, very lucky. Stupid too, for ever getting involved with all that stuff in the first place. The 60s were a definite mind-fuck though.

marble falls

(57,077 posts)
73. I was so lucky in so many, many ways. I ducked more bullets than I ever had any reason to ...
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:48 PM
Oct 2021

... to get away with, G*d looked out for me 'cause I rushing with the fools. I enjoyed the sixties, but the memories are vague.

But we broke on through to the other side. Bubba, we survived.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
2. I think it was Marc Maron and Dean Delray who observed on their podcast
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 08:55 PM
Oct 2021

"Dark Fonzie" that Clapton cant really play anymore, his hands are gnarled as happens to so many rock guitarist, and the less he can play the more his hate comes out.

Or something like that, makes sense.

hlthe2b

(102,227 posts)
4. Two musicians who both were influenced by black blues musicians and both played with Muddy Waters...
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 08:57 PM
Oct 2021

One, the late Levon Helm was a Southerner through and through and was the only such member of his largely Canadian group, The Band. That said, there was never a racist bone in Levon's body. He was just genuinely a good guy and appreciative of the legacy left for him.

Then there was Eric Clapton, who likewise was highly influenced by these early African American blues musicians and likewise performed with Muddy Waters in the late 70s. How damned tragic that that is where the similarity to Levon Helm ends.

Truth be told, If I had to list my top ten rock songs of all time, Layla would surely be high on the list. I can credit Clapton for his musical contributions and incredible guitar ability (albeit, Layla would be nothing without the late Duane Allman's guitar contributions), but fully appreciate that Clapton is no hero.

Sad... really.

Straw Man

(6,623 posts)
46. Levon Helm is considered almost a saint where I live ...
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 03:35 AM
Oct 2021

... which is near Woodstock, NY. But there ain't no such thing in the real world. In his autobiography, he makes excuses for segregationist Orval Faubus, who was governor of Arkansas when Helm was growing up, claiming that Faubus was actually a progressive who had to oppose integration in order to be elected. Yeah, OK, whatever ... Best singing drummer in rock history, but maybe he could've/should've kept his mouth shut that time.

Then there's Clapton. Politics aside, all the best parts of "Layla" weren't his work. The trademark guitar riff was created and played by Duane Allman. The gorgeous extended fadeout was the work of co-writer Jim Gordon, and the exquisite playing therein was by Bobby Whitlock on piano and Duane on guitar. Without those things it's a pretty lackluster song, as evidenced by the solo acoustic version by Clapton.

Buh-bye, Eric. Nothing like ending your career with a whiny whimper.

hlthe2b

(102,227 posts)
47. I've seen many a DUer take a defensive pragmatic political stance
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 06:26 AM
Oct 2021

that they later regretted. (support for Manchin comes to mind). Helm was not racist. Period. Ugly cheap shot.

And I had ALREADY made the point about Duane Allman being what made Layla.



Straw Man

(6,623 posts)
66. Like condoning a politician's overtly racist acts?
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 04:46 PM
Oct 2021

I don't think so -- not on DU. Faubus used the Arkansas National Guard to block the integration of Little Rock's high schools. There's not a lot of nuance there.

I didn't say Helm was a racist -- I said that he condoned a racist politician. Maybe that doesn't damn him forever, but it doesn't make him the poster boy for anti-racism either. You call it a "cheap shot" -- I call it the truth.

And it wasn't just Allman that made "Layla" what it was. It was Allman and Jim Gordon and Bobby Whitlock -- in other words, everyone but Clapton.

hlthe2b

(102,227 posts)
67. You did just that
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 05:01 PM
Oct 2021

and it is indefensible.

It seems as though you are upset that your fellow New Yorkers find Helm to have been a real icon and credit to the Woodstock community he embraced, while you only see him as a racist because he comes from the South--that was the very first thing you brought up, so it certainly seems to rankle you. I'm no Southerner either, but in the West, at least, we don't paint public figures for the crimes of their regions' ancestors nor do most DUers. And, yes, most Duers do not hold a single vote for a candidate, for which an individual expressed sufficient regret to try to explain in his own memoirs decades later, in a life filled with examples of honor and a creditable example on racial equality and respect.

Straw Man

(6,623 posts)
72. Please show me where I called Helm a racist.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:57 PM
Oct 2021

Last edited Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:53 PM - Edit history (2)

You can't because I didn't. Your other accusation is laughable -- a racist because he's from the South? Where did I say anything remotely like that? Perhaps you are too blinded by rockstar hero-worship to see that Helm made a very bad judgement call in defending Faubus on the grounds of political expediency. When I read that in his autobiography, it hit me like a slap in the face.

Helm admits to a childhood fondness for Governor Faubus, which is understandable: different people, different time, different place. But in hindsight, following decade after decade of the struggle for civil rights, the only possible conclusion is that at a critical moment in history -- following Brown vs. Board of Education -- Faubus came down squarely with both feet on the wrong side of the issue. I repeat: He used the Arkansas National Guard to block the integration of high schools in Little Rock. That was a choice, and one for which there is no excuse.

The pragmatism argument is crap. "He had to do it because ... politics." Bullshit. Faubus didn't have to be Governor of Arkansas; he wanted to be Governor of Arkansas, apparently more than he cared about social justice. At worst, he was a stone segregationist; at best, he was a craven hack who threw morality to the winds to win re-election. Regardless of his motivations, he made a terrible choice. Segregationist is as segregationist does.

Helm likewise had a choice: admit that your boy fucked up, or double down and own the consequences. He chose the latter. Better that he had never addressed the subject of Faubus at all. One wonders why, in 1993, he chose to do so.

I'm not judging Levon Helm for the crimes of his region's ancestors; I'm judging him for his defense of an indefensible action. Can you not see the difference?

For more on Orval Faubus, see Charles Mingus:

ProfessorGAC

(65,000 posts)
68. Mostly Agree
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 05:48 PM
Oct 2021

But, I'm an outlier who thinks Duane's contributions to that song are largely overrated.
His impact is far greater on other songs on that album.
Songs like "Keep On Growing", "Why Does Love Have To Be So Bad", "Anyday", ”Key To The Highway", & " Little Wing" have way more of his influence showing. Particularly due to his rhythm work since his style is so different than Clapton's, and he was so good at counter rhythm.
The slide stuff on Layla is nice as sweetening, but I recommend against seeking out the isolated track. I think you'll be disappointed. It's off key a lot, which is why Tom Dowd lowered its profile in the mix, especially in the piano coda.
I'm a big fan of Duane's but I never thought what he did on that song was that stellar.
Other songs....hoo boy!!!

Ferryboat

(922 posts)
5. While time will expose one true nature
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 09:01 PM
Oct 2021

this man opened my eyes to the blues. As a kid in the 70's it was the British invasion that exposed most Americans to what we ignored.

The blues is a genre that is at the heart of rock n roll.

Claptons racism was never overt. He did alot to help blues musicians through hard times.
No one is perfect.

Voltaire2

(13,015 posts)
70. What? here: 1976. Racist Rant.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:03 PM
Oct 2021

Eric Clapton was visibly intoxicated onstage at a concert in Birmingham on Aug. 5, 1976. But the message he spoke at the mike was clear. As he advocated his support for Enoch Powell, a controversial right-wing British politician well-known for his anti-immigration views, the guitarist took things even further, asking the audience if there were any foreigners present.

“I don’t want you here, in the room or in my country,” Clapton said. “Listen to me, man! I think we should vote for Enoch Powell. Enoch’s our man. I think Enoch’s right, I think we should send them all back."

His words echoed much of the sentiment Powell had espoused in his infamous 1968 Rivers of Blood speech, in which he staunchly criticized mass immigration and implied that the majority of immigrants arriving in the U.K. were doing so "with a view to the exercise of actual domination, first over fellow immigrants and then over the rest of the population."

Clapton, however, was much more blunt. "Stop Britain from becoming a black colony," he said. "Get the foreigners out. Get the wogs out. Get the coons out. Keep Britain white.



Read More: When Eric Clapton's Bigoted 1976 Rant Sparked Rock Against Racism | https://ultimateclassicrock.com/eric-clapton-rant-rock-against-racism/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral

consider_this

(2,203 posts)
6. kinda sad that
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 09:02 PM
Oct 2021

loved his music, and resisted the urge to post "Let it Rain" (a fave) to a recent DU fun post about 'post a song about rain' (something like that) because I figured it might meet with scorn due to all this recent under the hood stuff.

Cha

(297,154 posts)
7. That is sad.. Clapton is the one who
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 09:07 PM
Oct 2021

is spouting "propaganda" and dangerously.

This made me think of Ben Carson.. who is a gifted pediatric surgeon but a sociopathic POS in life.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,455 posts)
8. Liked him when he played in Wynton Marsalis's Band. Corrine, Corrine...with Taj Maha;/////
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 09:12 PM
Oct 2021
https://music.
&list=PLdL1qsDExcuNw4GCLZ8T2tpkagz-FHZe-

Walleye

(31,009 posts)
64. Wow!Thought the stage might fall down under the weight of all that talent
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 03:46 PM
Oct 2021
Never heard banjo playing like that

Mr.Bill

(24,282 posts)
10. Over the years, the more I have read
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 09:23 PM
Oct 2021

about the biographies of the old British Invasion musicians, the more I have come to realize most of them are not the people I though they were. Some of them were/became despicable humann beings. Oh, well, it doesn't chenge the enjoyment I have gotten from the music.

vanlassie

(5,670 posts)
25. Long time Van fan. As per my screen name.
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 10:41 PM
Oct 2021

But I can call him an asshole and believe he is a fucking musical genius.

themaguffin

(3,826 posts)
59. I have every Van album and a lot of Clapton's too. I still listen, though Van's latest is the
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 02:00 PM
Oct 2021

first new CD that I haven't bought of his since I became a fan 30 years ago.

McCartney and others used the lockdown to have fun creating new music. Not Van though. Even the song titles were cringey.

I hate that this is where we are. In particular, I felt like I was traveling through Van's journey. It looks like for me, that journey ended with his 2019 release.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
17. Roger Daltrey is one of those
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 09:53 PM
Oct 2021

Love the Who and saw them three times years ago -- they were fantastic and Daltrey was very pleasant to everyone
Several years ago, in an interview, he said he'd vote for Farage's party if he thought they could win

tavernier

(12,380 posts)
28. And then there are the exceptions.
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 10:55 PM
Oct 2021

Freddie Mercury, exceedingly generous and kind. He was known to be Father Christmas to everyone who knew him and many who didn’t. He made oodles of money and loved sharing it.

stopdiggin

(11,296 posts)
31. UK has always been fully as racist
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 11:23 PM
Oct 2021

as the U.S. (both working and upper class) - just never got the same attention and coverage this side of the 'pond.'

Walleye

(31,009 posts)
12. Didn't Cream record a song written by Skip James to give him the royalt
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 09:26 PM
Oct 2021

royalties? “I’m So Glad”. Those pioneering blues musicians never had made much money. Now Clapton has turned into a bitter old man. Sad is the word

Mr.Bill

(24,282 posts)
18. The Rolling Stones did that for a number of old Blues musicians.
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 09:58 PM
Oct 2021

Led Zeppelin did just the opposite, stealing the music without accrediting the original artists. Then they fought it in the courts for so long, when they finally lost it was the old musician's heirs who got the money.

shrike3

(3,572 posts)
61. I actually heard just the opposite. That the Stones were wont to crib blues songs without paying.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 03:00 PM
Oct 2021

It's true about Clapton and Skip James.

Mr.Bill

(24,282 posts)
63. The Stones were influenced by the early Blues musicians
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 03:32 PM
Oct 2021

and may have lifted a riff or two, like any musician, but on their early albums you will find complete songs with a writing credit to the original musicians.

Much of Led Zeppelin's first album is a medley of old blues classics with no credit given to the original writers.

shrike3

(3,572 posts)
71. A music historian I heard interviewed said the bluesmen were credited by the Stones but never paid.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:39 PM
Oct 2021

Did some research, can't find anything that verifies it either way.

shrike3

(3,572 posts)
62. Yes, as a young musician Clapton was paying old bluesmen royalties.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 03:02 PM
Oct 2021

While others didn't, I had been told the Stones did not.

I share your disappointment. What an angry, bitter old man he turned into.

The "I'm so glad" royalties lifted Skip James out of poverty.

Bobstandard

(1,303 posts)
19. Clapton relied on high register sustain way too much
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 10:01 PM
Oct 2021

A nice run, a break, another run, then up the register to a high pitched sustain. That only works for so long, then it becomes a boring trope for a player who doesnt’ have much more to say musically. I like to contrast Clapton with Robbie Robertson. Both technically gifted, but Robertson had many more original chops. Note how when he gets into a high pitched sustain, he gets off it right away and goes on to other commentary. So that’s one thing. Here’s another:

It’s fair to separate the artist and his works from the artists ethics and politics. Otherwise, you’d have to kill me for liking Wagner and ee Cummings.

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
21. An even better comparison is his fellow Yardbird alum Jeff Beck
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 10:18 PM
Oct 2021

Beck's had consistent growth and innovation and an important impact on the music world. Beck's commentary on Clapton (and Page) is quite entertaining.

plimsoll

(1,668 posts)
24. Right where I'm at.
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 10:39 PM
Oct 2021

For reasons that remain completely mystifying to me some really vile human beings can create astonishingly beautiful things. I find that I can enjoy the art and still say, "It's a shame they were such a piece of sh*t otherwise."

Conversely, it should tell us that beauty and good are not synonymous. I think too many people make very superficial judgements based solely on appearance.

thucythucy

(8,047 posts)
50. OMG ee cummings!
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:53 AM
Oct 2021

"i sing of olaf" was huge for me!

Now I'll have to Google him to see where and how he went astray.

Jack Kerouac is another literary figure whose personal life and politics were disappointing, to say the least.

And then there's William Burroughs, who literally killed his wife and got away with it. He's even touted by some as a spokesperson for "gun rights." Nothing says responsible gun owner like shooting your wife in the head while playing a drunken game of "William Tell," then relying on the family fortune to skip out on any legal responsibility.

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
20. Clapton peaked in 1969-70
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 10:15 PM
Oct 2021

His stupidity is now starting to come off as the early symptoms of the dementia of one sort or another. Considering all the drugs and "neurological" problems, it seems he would be better served by retiring and saving whats left of his reputation.

Despite being a huge music fan and sometime musician, EC has never much impressed me, and everything he has done in recent past has simply reinforced my lack of interest and support for his career.

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
39. Of course
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 11:45 PM
Oct 2021

one of the reasons I stopped caring about him decades ago. He needs to go away, his 15 minutes of fame are way over

StocktonNative

(120 posts)
22. Safety wasn't Claptons priority in life.
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 10:27 PM
Oct 2021

Non Masker who also didn't prevent his own kid from a 49 story fall. Clapton is pure negligence.

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In real life, most rockers don't subscribe to his ideology and showed it in mid to late 70's! Fight Fascism!
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One UK Gig started it all!

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StocktonNative

(120 posts)
38. Clapton could afford safety guards
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 11:31 PM
Oct 2021

And chose not to for his son at that residence.

In real life, accidents are preventable. Clapton learned nothing.

Enuff Said.

radical noodle

(8,000 posts)
40. The housekeeper left the window open
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 11:47 PM
Oct 2021

Clapton had nothing to do with the child falling. He may be a jerk about many things, but he was in no way at fault for his son's death. Connor was living with his mother, not Clapton.

vanlassie

(5,670 posts)
41. No, not "enuff said." The parents were divorced. Clapton didn't live there.
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 11:52 PM
Oct 2021

Are you trying to imply that he declined to do something in his ex’s home out of a lack of caring??
…Rubbish.
“Clapton, who didn't live with Del Santo and Conor, happened to be in New York at the time. In fact, the night before tragedy struck, he'd taken Conor to the circus for an outing later memorialized in the song "Circus." As he later told Ed Bradley during a 1999 interview with 60 Minutes, wanting to be a good father to his son was what ultimately prompted Clapton to get sober.”

Read More: The Day Eric Clapton's Son Was Killed in 49-Story Fall | https://ultimateclassicrock.com/eric-clapton-son-killed/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral

StocktonNative

(120 posts)
43. Get real...Clapton could have ensured his child or anyone was safe.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 12:09 AM
Oct 2021

It was required in apartment. No in condos.

You would think that Clapton from this experience would be more conscience of health and safety. He's willing to let other people suffer and die?

He learned nothing...absolutely nothing.

Enuff said.

vanlassie

(5,670 posts)
44. You are saying he should have known about the laws in his ex's city.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 12:17 AM
Oct 2021

That he should have had HER place inspected? For what, precisely? What about every other potential hazard? Asbestos? Lead? Don’t be ridiculous. I think the guy is a jerk. I read Patty’s biography. But pinning the child’s freak accident on him is wrong and stupid. There’s plenty to show he’s an asshole without this nonsense. It’s heartless. Knock it off.

mopinko

(70,086 posts)
49. you sound like you have some unresolved daddy issues.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:43 AM
Oct 2021

i dont know how you reached these conclusions, but it isnt from facts or common sense.

Response to CousinIT (Original post)

catbyte

(34,374 posts)
29. I haven't thought much of him since he spewed this in 1976:
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 11:06 PM
Oct 2021


I was 21 when he launched this bullshit. He later blamed it on "alcohol" when the blow back started, but alcohol doesn't change you--it just greases your jaw. I remember how disappointed and disillusioned I was because I had recently attended an awesome Carlos Santana concert where he was a surprise guest, and it was incredible.

Edited to add this link that I forgot to include:

https://stillwerise.uk/2020/11/28/eric-claptons-racist-rant/

argyl

(3,064 posts)
45. A couple of slurred n***** words would be bad enough.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 03:34 AM
Oct 2021

But, drunk or not , this is a full blown diatribe that shows his racism quite clearly.

And Layla would not have been the LP it was without
"Skydog" Duane Allman. Clapton was stumbling around Miami Beach drunk and/or fucked up on smack.

Duane made Layla the song and LP it came to be. At age 20 he was a session guitarist in Nashville. By age 22 he was a full fledged Muscle Shoals Swamper, playing on tracks by artists such as Wilson Pickett, Aretha Franklin, Laura Nyro, Delaney and Bonnie, Herbie Mann, and others as well.

Duane never even got close to the vaunted "27" club.
He was killed in a motorcycle crash in Macon, Georgia in October of 1971. He was only 24 years old. Who knows what he'd have done if he'd lived longer.

Wounded Bear

(58,647 posts)
51. I guess I should have realized when you consider how many different bands he played with
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:57 AM
Oct 2021

just in his first few years on the music scene, that he was the kind of asshole that couldn't get along with anybody. Some obvious personality disorders on display there.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
53. Stevie Ray Vaughn pawns Clapton's Blues Guitar.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 10:51 AM
Oct 2021

Musically Clapton was above average, but not the guitar god he thinks he is in his mind.

Just my opinion.

I rarely listen to him at all anymore, he is in the same category as Batshit Crazy Teddy Nugent - liked the music when I was young and dumb...not anymore.



shrike3

(3,572 posts)
55. Back in the day, Clapton didn't just revere the bluesmen he covered, like other artists did.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 11:15 AM
Oct 2021

He paid them. Cream recorded "I'm so Glad," using an arrangement by Skip James, and paid James royalties. Not everybody did that. Lifted James out of poverty. Why this saddens me so much, what he has been revealed to be.

Dukkha

(7,341 posts)
56. He stopped being influential long ago
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 11:31 AM
Oct 2021

Like so many other 60's era rockers, Clapton disappeared into the beige veneer of bland adult contemporary. His music was more fitting for a dentist reception room than the Royal Albert Hall.

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