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End of JFK's last speech, which he never got to deliver. (Original Post) MoonRiver Oct 2021 OP
He had a way with words. Tomconroy Oct 2021 #1
Please, someone send a copy to Manchin and Sinema n/t Bev54 Oct 2021 #2
My thoughts exactly. KS Toronado Oct 2021 #7
My first thoughts as well! bluestarone Oct 2021 #19
Miss him every day. nt Chalco Oct 2021 #3
But the fanatics had a different take on that idea. hadEnuf Oct 2021 #4
I think he points out the danger of fanatics, a warning that applies to then, now, and the future. Escurumbele Oct 2021 #6
I changed my post to "the fanatics HAD a different idea". hadEnuf Oct 2021 #8
+1... Bingo... IthinkThereforeIAM Oct 2021 #13
Yep, exactly what happened. Irish_Dem Oct 2021 #15
He was killed by one fanatic, a Communist wannabe asshole. DickKessler Oct 2021 #24
Yes, that's what the Warren report says. hadEnuf Oct 2021 #27
And it's true. DickKessler Oct 2021 #32
And of course several other official reports say there was much more to it hadEnuf Oct 2021 #33
By several you mean the one (HSCA) that was based on erroneous reading of evidence? DickKessler Oct 2021 #34
Erroneous reading of evidence like the magic bullet theory? hadEnuf Oct 2021 #35
You don't understand that "magic bullet" theory. DickKessler Oct 2021 #36
But I think I understand you. hadEnuf Oct 2021 #37
Occam's Razor re: the JFK assassination and other events. DickKessler Oct 2021 #38
source CloudWatcher Oct 2021 #5
Kennedy's "New Frontier" was received by most people as an program of.... EarnestPutz Oct 2021 #10
We sure were a lot less cynical back then. calimary Oct 2021 #21
Yes, I had the same thought. Folks have said it marked a loss of innocence, but..... EarnestPutz Oct 2021 #23
Wow, "our hopes for the future--and determined that this land we love shall lead mankind MasonDreams Oct 2021 #12
+1... IthinkThereforeIAM Oct 2021 #14
Nice, but let's not forget 'our' land was in fact stolen from the Native Americans Justice matters. Oct 2021 #22
I had schoolmates whose parents were going to attend that banquet. Paladin Oct 2021 #9
Kind of says it all. Pepsidog Oct 2021 #11
Yup! burrowowl Oct 2021 #16
love this, thanks for posting. Hamlette Oct 2021 #17
UR Welcome MoonRiver Oct 2021 #18
Saving this quote. calimary Oct 2021 #20
I have complicated feelings about JFK. DickKessler Oct 2021 #25
Hmm... Mike Nelson Oct 2021 #26
Sadly, this was his undoing dlk Oct 2021 #28
Oswald was a wannabe Communist revolutionary, not a fascist. DickKessler Oct 2021 #29
I think he probably had help dlk Oct 2021 #30
In the absence of any real evidence though, I doubt it. DickKessler Oct 2021 #31

hadEnuf

(2,177 posts)
4. But the fanatics had a different take on that idea.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 11:45 AM
Oct 2021

And we are still fighting those fanatics today.

Bastards.

Escurumbele

(3,379 posts)
6. I think he points out the danger of fanatics, a warning that applies to then, now, and the future.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 11:54 AM
Oct 2021

Maybe I don't understand your statement.

hadEnuf

(2,177 posts)
8. I changed my post to "the fanatics HAD a different idea".
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 12:03 PM
Oct 2021

JFK was killed by fanatics of some sort, even on the day he was saying we should resist fanaticism.

We are still fighting those same type fanatics today.

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,075 posts)
13. +1... Bingo...
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 01:13 PM
Oct 2021

... that is exactly what I was going to point out; they got him because of that and the Dulles brothers.

hadEnuf

(2,177 posts)
33. And of course several other official reports say there was much more to it
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 10:49 AM
Oct 2021

than what the Warren Commission said.

hadEnuf

(2,177 posts)
35. Erroneous reading of evidence like the magic bullet theory?
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 07:59 AM
Oct 2021

Where did something erroneous like that occur in the HSCA?

CloudWatcher

(1,845 posts)
5. source
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 11:47 AM
Oct 2021

And for those (like me) who never trust anything read on the internet without sources ... this was in a tweet from Michael Beschloss, Nov 7, 2013:




And reported on by Huffpost: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jfk-assassination_n_4233535

EarnestPutz

(2,117 posts)
10. Kennedy's "New Frontier" was received by most people as an program of....
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 12:54 PM
Oct 2021

....big ideas that held a promise for a new and better future. It harked back to FDR’s “New Deal” and we were a lot less cynical back then.

calimary

(81,139 posts)
21. We sure were a lot less cynical back then.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:31 PM
Oct 2021

I think the JFK assassination was a BIG jolt. That may have been the beginning of the end of the idealism that America used to be about.

EarnestPutz

(2,117 posts)
23. Yes, I had the same thought. Folks have said it marked a loss of innocence, but.....
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:17 PM
Oct 2021

.....more than that, I think, a loss of pride, hope, ambition and care that really got going when Reagan preached his gospel of selfishness.

MasonDreams

(756 posts)
12. Wow, "our hopes for the future--and determined that this land we love shall lead mankind
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 01:12 PM
Oct 2021

Into new frontiers of peace and abundance".The very heart ❤️ of why those treasonous Govt goons murdered him. No Cuba coup, no Viet Nam war We are going to the MOON AND BEYOND!!! In service of all mankind.
This land we love is your land, this land is my land. Paranoid psychos took our President with the ☮️ Peace Corp, and a 🌟 Star Trekesque future. If we don't stop them they'll turn our whole planet into a burning hell. Oops, too late!

Justice matters.

(6,921 posts)
22. Nice, but let's not forget 'our' land was in fact stolen from the Native Americans
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:51 PM
Oct 2021
And most of the times, violently.

Paladin

(28,243 posts)
9. I had schoolmates whose parents were going to attend that banquet.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 12:51 PM
Oct 2021

The invitations became precious family heirlooms. Still hurts, after all these years.

calimary

(81,139 posts)
20. Saving this quote.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:14 PM
Oct 2021

I can use it in our Call to Action email, one of these weekends. Maybe I'll save it for "that" week coming up in November.

DickKessler

(364 posts)
25. I have complicated feelings about JFK.
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 01:22 AM
Oct 2021

On the one hand, I have to hand it to him for inspiring so much public service and progressive politics, for his soaring and inspiring oratory, and for speaking out on civil rights and heading towards detente with the Soviets toward the end of his life/Presidency.

On the other hand, the guy was a pathological womanizer, a trust-funder, and hid all his sexual affairs and serious health problems from the public. Plus, he did escalate the Cold War initially with the operations against Castro (Mongoose) which led to the Cuban Missile Crisis in the first place, as well as escalating in Vietnam even though it doesn’t seem like Kennedy would have wanted something like what LBJ did (but then again, neither did LBJ — but politically he felt as if he had no other choice).

A complicated and tragic figure, for sure.

Mike Nelson

(9,945 posts)
26. Hmm...
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 06:09 AM
Oct 2021

... Biden should say this... it's not really "stealing," since JFK and most politicians took lines from others and had speechwriters.

dlk

(11,514 posts)
28. Sadly, this was his undoing
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 09:50 AM
Oct 2021

It’s frightening to think how widespread & deeply entrenched American fascism truly is. Although it now has a much larger microphone than in the past and we are seeing it much more clearly, it has always been a part of the fabric of our country.

DickKessler

(364 posts)
31. In the absence of any real evidence though, I doubt it.
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 11:50 PM
Oct 2021

In any event, I would recommend the book "Dallas 1963" by Bill Minutaglio and Steven L. Davis. There was so how much vocal hate in Dallas for JFK, and for liberals in general. Most especially among the Far-Right, of course. They thought LBJ was a traitor to the state for being part of the Kennedy administration.

That doesn't mean that Lee Harvey Oswald wasn't a deranged wannabe Communist revolutionary and that he didn't act alone in killing President Kennedy. But it does put the context of JFK's fateful visit in a sobering light, and explains why so many people warned him not to go to Dallas specifically and why a lot of people think a domestic right-wing conspiracy was behind his assassination. Outside of Orange County, California, Dallas was the Bircher capital of the nation at that time. Lots of "crazies" there!

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