It occurs to me that firing Vaccine refusers in the Military and Police

[MineralMan]

is a great way to thin out the right-wingers in both organizations. So, I'm in favor of doing just that.

"No Vaccine? You're Fired! Good luck in your future endeavors..."

Simple and clean. They're really removing themselves from those organizations, and that's a good thing all around

[ecstatic]

1. That's a great point. nt

[calimary]

27. No kidding! An EXCELLENT point.

Way to weed ‘em out!

[OldBaldy1701E]

92. Yep! (n/t)

[bluestarone]

2. AGREE! Plus

I think it's REALLY DUMB on their part! #1. they could get very sick. #2. They let us good people know who they are!

[grumpyduck]

3. I suspect that when anti-vaxxers begin to realize

the organizations are serious, more will get the vaccine.

[empedocles]

6. Agree

[Probatim]

21. Or... They'll cling to their beliefs that the "libs" are persecuting them,

will double down on their intransigence, and die alone and penniless in an ICU ward.

Either way, it's a win for society.

[calimary]

52. What I usually wind up saying, in such a circumstance: "meh, one less trump voter."

And I've gotta say - I'm sorry it's come to that. I went to Catholic school, where we learned about A Guy who preached about loving your enemy. Loving ALL, whether they were with you or not. I wish I could be a better follower of That Guy, but I'm stalled at that part.

[bedazzled]

102. It sure is difficult

You get credit for trying i guess

[Phoenix61]

4. Yep! It's a great fix for that particular problem. nt

[lagomorph777]

5. Definitely.

Herd immunity from bullies in uniform.

[Runningdawg]

7. It's a great way to push them in to rural areas where they can do whatever they please.

OK would love to have them - they are experiencing a massive die-off of cops, firemen, 911 dispatchers and paramedics from covid.

[greenman3610]

29. Not fast enough

[Hortensis]

49. Not even close to a massive die-off. Has to be good considering how many

would be leaving children and others who need them behind. Their comfort with their chances has also, of course, enabled them to use the pandemic to indulge factional hostlity. Still, some small towns will need to advertise for skilled replacements here and there.

[Runningdawg]

53. If you can load a gun and tell a hippie from a redneck you have enough skill for most small towns.

[Hortensis]

58. Guessing fealty to tRump would be a primary requirement some places.

All places these days best to drive carefully, and if pulled over hide your copy of Jacobin under the seat.

[Haggard Celine]

59. LoL!

Funny, and so true!

[LiberatedUSA]

103. It is also the reason...

…why a gun ban would not work in red states. The local cops won’t hand over their own AR-15s and they won’t arrest the guys they drink, hunt and shoot with for refusing to hand over their own bought and paid for property (AR-15s).

Of course we make fun of them, but all the rampage looting and burning happened in the cities. It never happens in little redneck towns. Maybe being out of the way of the city and armed to the teeth has its perks. Ain’t nobody gonna march down Cornfield Town’s Main Street and set a fire, cause they know how the locals will react.

[mrsadm]

67. Hey!!! I live in a rural area and I don't want more of them!

[ramen]

78. Rural areas already have enough of these fascists,

and need fewer, not more. This rural area does, anyway.

[FakeNoose]

8. You bet - great way to get rid of the troublemakers

During the summer many companies were giving employees time off to get vaccinated. Then they gave employees a deadline - you must be vaccinated by THIS date. After that, you're gone!

The shocker is when you realize these people would rather lose their jobs than be vaccinated. They won't get hired somewhere else either. I'm sure from now on, every company will require new applicants to be vaccinated before they even apply for a job.

[hurple]

9. Also a good way to radicalize some of them

They'll blame Biden, go all anti-government and join the oath Keepers.

There is no good answer here.

[MineralMan]

10. They are already radicalized. What it will do is get rid of

them as active law-enforcement personnel. I'll settle for that right now.

[Hortensis]

55. This. They are radicalized.

Unfortunately, I expect the vast majority of those radicalized against society to get vaccinated by the deadlines, potentially dangerous but not so crazy as to become mall guards for the cause. Otoh, where salaries are low and support for idiocy high...

[hadEnuf]

51. If they are willing to throw away their livings over a simple vaccine that they were most likely

begging for a year ago, but is now evil because Biden, then they already are radicalized anti-government lunatics.

[druidity33]

71. That was my first thought...

plus they are heavily armed, trained, and have friends on the force. This is a bad situation all around... really with no good options.

[Dorian Gray]

81. If they're

willing to lose their job over the vaccine mandate, they're already radicalized.

[kimbutgar]

11. Most people are scared of law enforcement officers and now it's even scairier if the person

Who pulls you over can give you covid!

Get vaxxed or quit.

[MineralMan]

12. Yes. Exactly. Besides they are infecting their fellow LEOs.

Along with the public.

[malaise]

13. THIS

As an aside did you know that the Slobfather tried to trademark ''You're fired''?

[MineralMan]

15. I did not know that. Thanks!

[ShazzieB]

36. Sounds exactly like something he'd do!

[malaise]

46. Here

https://www.dailysabah.com/americas/2017/08/20/trump-failed-to-trademark-youre-fired-in-2004-but-it-still-followed-him-into-white-house

[Whiskeytide]

16. So, if I'm getting this right, they're going to fire ...

… Teachers that don’t believe in science;
Medical staff that doesn’t believe in medicine;
Police officers that don’t believe in public safety;
and Military personnel that don’t respect the chain of command. There’s a problem here?




(Credit: I stole most of this from a meme or post here a week or so ago)

[MineralMan]

17. Perfect!

[DENVERPOPS]

98. I know I wouldn't

even think about a career in Teaching, Medicine, Police, if I were young again at this time in history.......

I can't imagine only teaching what politicians have decided you have to teach, practicing medicine that has become
practicing Corporate Insurance Policies vs Scientifically founded Medicine, or being a good cop, surrounded by the racist crowd of officers that surrounds you daily......

[IronLionZion]

18. It also opens up jobs for new people

who would hopefully be good and have the right values

[Ligyron]

20. Yup, A winning strategy all 'round.

Out with the bad, in with the good…

[Mr.Bill]

19. I'm sure they are talking to lawyers

that are telling them they will all be very rich after the lawsuits they will file for being terminated.

And I think they are very wrong.

[Ford_Prefect]

48. They swore and signed an oath to protect and defend. How can they do either when they are likely to

become ill themselves and infect fellow serving troops, thus compromising readiness and security?

[Tennessee Hillbilly]

22. I've been thinking this too.

A similar benefit might also apply to big corporations that implement vaccine mandates, because the employees who refuse to comply are likely to be among the worst in the company, at least in terms of their attitude toward their jobs.

[ancianita]

23. Exactly. Thin the herd of those with personal issues that compromise their professional performance.

[patphil]

24. That's exactly the way I feel about it.

[Ferrets are Cool]

25. been thinking this all along

[LiberalFighter]

26. There really needs to be a database cataloguing those that don't meet minimum standards.

And using the database to determine eligibility for federal funds.

[greenman3610]

28. Antivax/anti mask is a very close proxy for

White supremacist especially in military or police context

[jaxexpat]

44. I expect it's about a 1:1 ratio, however unspoken, hush-hush and secretive it may be.

I'm betting Trump's fantasy military forces' uniforms have robes with matching hoods. Designed exclusively, by Ivanka, for the chic and discerning crowd control specialist.

[DENVERPOPS]

76. Just wait for them to flash

the "ok" hand movement they use. I spotted that cute little trick a month before the dems and press caught it......
Trump used it every time he was speaking to the press or at a public speaking venue.......

[Bluesaph]

30. Haha! I said same thing this week!

More jobs for the smart people!

Guy I said it to had no response.

[flying_wahini]

31. I saw some postings by nurses that said anti vaxers quit before finding out that

no other hospitals will hire them without a vaccine. Hardee har har!

[Scruffy1]

32. Nail meets hammer.

As per usual you are completely right.

[jaxexpat]

33. What would be even better is if it makes these yahoos rethink their position.

Americans have been doing a lot of things they didn't necessarily want to do in order to keep their jobs for forever. How much effort is a little investment in enlightenment gonna cost, anyhow? How valuable is pride in one's misguidedness after all?

[The Magistrate]

34. I Agree, Sir

We're being threatened with a good time....

[gibraltar72]

35. Actually had a guy in my garage yesterday

to buy something I posted on line, who told me he was waiting to get fired from govt. job cause he was not getting vaccinated. He then told me he would be reinstated and paid when there was a new administration.

[Joinfortmill]

39. Wow more magical thinking.

[ShazzieB]

47. OOF!

I suppose he's one of those who believes that any day now, the election is going to be overturned and the Slobfather will be "reinstated."

The level of stupid with some of these people is truly epic!

[Hortensis]

61. Now this is positive. Perhaps some LEOs and other

potential dangers to society will choose this path to new careers as security alarm monitoring clerks.

[Captain Zero]

75. Ah ye olde REINSTATEMENT

Where have I heard that word before. 😂

[Joinfortmill]

37. Agree

[DinahMoeHum]

38. Make sure somebody keeps tabs on them, though.

. . .'cause G*d only knows some of them will cross the line and do criminal shit.

[spanone]

40. Agreed.

[Mad_Machine76]

41. I love it

when the trash takes itself out.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

42. Excellent point MM. Love it when someone finds the silver lining! nt

[ProfessorGAC]

43. Besides, It's Cost Cutting

The Rs should love that!
We spend too much on defense & policing.
I'll take the cost savings, while thinning out the radicals.

[BobTheSubgenius]

50. Perhaps we could extrapolate on the experience of a friend of mine's father.

He was career Navy. Once, while on leave, he got terribly sunburned. He was threatened with disciplinary action for voluntarily making himself unfit for duty.

I'd be all over that decision for these idiots.

[Rebl2]

54. I would

like to see military members who refuse the vaccine be dishonorably discharged.

[Xolodno]

56. I'm a religious man and I know you aren't.

With that said, natural selection in my view is God's way of saying, yeah, you're done here. Religious or not, the end result is the same.

But also think it will be temporary. Once they burn through their savings, 401k loans, etc. They will be in a world of hurt and get the vaccine. Probably think they can "ride it out" and never have to get it. Joke is on them, it will eventually most likely be part of our annual flu shot.

[BComplex]

57. Amen!

Perfect post. I needed that today!

[NoNobigwick]

60. Definitely a good thing

Good riddance.

[Chakaconcarne]

62. right...and their jobs will be worth more..

[WestMichRad]

63. In general, I agree, but...

… it will inevitably deepen the divide in our society, and for that I can’t envision a happy ending.

[MineralMan]

64. The divide already exists.

We need to take control of it. We are the majority. They are not.

[mrsadm]

65. That's a great bonus, but

They have to be fired for public health reasons, and for keeping both forces strong and able to perform their jobs.

[MineralMan]

66. Yes. That's the official version.

[nilram]

68. vaccine mandates...

Link to tweet

?s=20


Doesn't seem like a bad thing.

[MineralMan]

70. Agreed...

[lpbk2713]

69. Good observation.

I hope the idea catches on.

[Sogo]

72. Love it!

[TomSlick]

73. I agree that thinning the ranks of right-wingers is a secondary benefit.

The military simply cannot tolerate willful disobedience of lawful orders. A service member who would refuse a lawful order to get a shot cannot be trusted to obey an order when lives are at stake.

Any service member who refuses to be vaccinated should be charged with disobedience and given the option of an other than honorable discharge or a court-martial.

[dlk]

74. Like self-deporting...

[Knicks007]

77. Agreed!

A very thoughtful observation. Good work.

[King_Klonopin]

79. There is one downside in this for the Dems :

I am beginning to see the long-game strategy for the Republicans -- a strategy which is, of course,
is cynical and despicable.

They are planning to die on the hill of "anti-vax" lunacy, no matter the human cost.

Follow the steps using the example of police and military mandates:

1) Based purely on political doctrine (brainwashing), many people will refuse to be vaccinated.

2) Reasonable, responsible people (like Biden) and state governments (i.e. NOT Texas, Florida, etc.)
will be forced to mandate vaccinations because COVID is a public health emergency that effects everyone,
and it is a drag on every aspect of our society.

3) Given the choice of compliance or expulsion, these anti-vax cement-heads will choose expulsion.

4) They will portray themselves as being victims of "the gubmint", rather than as volunteers for stupidity.

5) The RW liars will spin it as: "Joe Biden is forcing people out of police and military service (victims),
which leaves the country vulnerable and unprotected (always go for the fear and paranoia angle)"

They will blame struggling local economies, unemployment numbers, school closings, and anything else they
can think of, on vaccine mandates. Meanwhile, no one is paying attention to their campaign against voting rights.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

80. If your not smart enough to get the vaccine...

then you don't belong in those jobs anyways, because clearly your judgement is suspect.

Good bye

[pfitz59]

82. Boot them all

The military and cops need pruning..

[DemocraticPatriot]

83. Excellent point.

Sounds like a good plan to me.

[gordianot]

84. It works as well as videoing yourself and friends at an insurrection.

Then sharing it anywhere on the web.

[lambchopp59]

85. Now, now. We should have sympathy for these unemployed bigots and

All chip in to send them cartons of cigarettes.

[samsingh]

86. i agree

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

87. Totally agree. Weeds the idiots out of health care services as well.

Top to bottom, I want responsible, capable folks in charge of my health care services, never ignorant TFG loving Qnut RW fools.

[lark]

88. I'm with you.

We NEED to purge the right wingers from positions where they interact with the public and these asses are clearly not caring one bit if they kill folks by Covid. Despite potential issues, I agree that this is a very necessary step.

I do have concerns about an unemployed right wing force of middle aged crazy men, but hopefully this won't metastasize into something bigger and more violent. Hopefully they have enough concern for their families that they will take other jobs and not spend all their time training for 2024. I'd be a lot more concerned if this were happening in 2023, though. Two years is a long time.

[Elessar Zappa]

99. Meh, I'm not afraid of those idiots.

They can “train” all they want.

[lark]

101. Hopefully they are so fat and out of shape they just stay home on the couch.

[olegramps]

89. Yes, definitely it is working perfectly. I believe the same for the entire Republican trash.

[SayitAintSo]

90. That's ridiculous and cynical n/t

[MineralMan]

91. Please elaborate.

I mean, I don't know you here on DU, so I have no idea what leads you to that conclusion. What about my post is ridiculous? Why do you think it's cynical?

The reality of it is that almost all vaccine refusers in the military and law enforcement are right wingers. It happens, then, that if they do not get vaccinated, they could be fired. That would remove a good number of right-wingers from their positions in law enforcement and the military.

I see that as a good result, as I said in my post.

So, you disagree, but your curt message has no information in it other than your disagreement. Please elaborate.

[Texin]

93. Good idea. But that then frees them up to run for Congress.

[MineralMan]

94. That's not really a concern, I think.

At least not for me.

[AllaN01Bear]

95. get rid of fox news and sinclair radio on armed forces radio.

[grantcart]

96. Win win win win

Especially those claiming religious reasons.

[AZLD4Candidate]

97. Police Unions are the only unions I want broken up because they aren't unions that

fight for their officers. They are there to shield bad officers and work as a political lobbying group at the detriment of those in the community they are swore to serve and protect.

[ismnotwasm]

100. Agree

Weeds out people who can’t or won’t follow orders in a clear chain of command. Weeds out people who have politicized public health and safety. Weeds out absolute dumbasses.