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riversedge

(70,182 posts)
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 04:37 PM Oct 2021

JUST IN: Donald Trump has filed a lawsuit in DC District Court against the House January 6 Committee

my goodness. What is Trumpy hiding now!!


JUST IN: Donald Trump has filed a lawsuit in DC District Court against the House January 6 Committee and the National Archives, as he seeks to keep secret records from his presidency by claiming executive privilege.
via/ @kpolantz



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JUST IN: Donald Trump has filed a lawsuit in DC District Court against the House January 6 Committee (Original Post) riversedge Oct 2021 OP
Well, he did work for Russia for four years. spanone Oct 2021 #1
That was just his government work for them. rsdsharp Oct 2021 #2
EVERYTHING, of course. elleng Oct 2021 #3
Scared little yellow snowflake. lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #4
Make him pay our costs when he loses. C_U_L8R Oct 2021 #5
shithole is a happy suing jerk . . .. Lovie777 Oct 2021 #6
This won't stop that criminal contempt referral for Bannon tomorrow malaise Oct 2021 #7
The GOP can find more ways to waste money instead of just paying their fucking taxes! nt joetheman Oct 2021 #8
I wish Biden would stroll over to the archives with a flash drive Fiendish Thingy Oct 2021 #9
That sounds like something Truman might've done Walleye Oct 2021 #15
Or leak it to WikiLeaks Shermann Oct 2021 #16
and President Biden onethatcares Oct 2021 #24
I guess we're about to find out if a former president has more power than a sitting president. Nt Fiendish Thingy Oct 2021 #10
Is treason a State secret? bucolic_frolic Oct 2021 #11
Let's see how long he can drag this out. sop Oct 2021 #12
As long as there is a lawyer that will take a FalloutShelter Oct 2021 #21
You mean "a lawyer who'll take an IOU from trumpovitch" Plenty of fools out there. erronis Oct 2021 #29
I wish we had a choice luv2fly Oct 2021 #22
Free the Mueller Report! Nt Baked Potato Oct 2021 #13
Here are go again ... he gets to run every petty greivance through the courts Fullduplexxx Oct 2021 #14
Courts that he filled and will protect him budkin Oct 2021 #23
This lawsuit was filed by four person firm that is very weak LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2021 #17
Writer should have said "...as he seeks to keep records of his presidency secret." mobeau69 Oct 2021 #18
Who are the lawyers he would work with Trump today? ashredux Oct 2021 #19
Ambulance chasers out to make a buck from TFG....... lastlib Oct 2021 #28
USA never signed an NDA with the Unstable Moron. Kid Berwyn Oct 2021 #20
Conclusion: He's hiding something gratuitous Oct 2021 #25
Supreme Court precedent says he has standing. Its up to the court to decide the merits of his claim. onenote Oct 2021 #43
ya'can have want in one hand & shit in the other , what ya' got then ? monkeyman1 Oct 2021 #26
Delaying tactic mtngirl47 Oct 2021 #27
This!! Nt WestMichRad Oct 2021 #33
THIS Maggiemayhem Oct 2021 #36
The supreme court Tatertot Oct 2021 #30
Maybe just another time these lawyers are just LOOKING LIKE they are doing something? bluestarone Oct 2021 #31
Why not.... Snackshack Oct 2021 #32
They should toss it out! BlueJac Oct 2021 #34
Don't know why, but the headline made me laugh out loud. dchill Oct 2021 #35
As Trtump is not the president, he cannot claim executive privilege. Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2021 #37
So this Supreme Court precedent doesn't exist? onenote Oct 2021 #42
Delusional Donny's used to getting his own way. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2021 #38
TFG acknowledges that he's "a former President." LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2021 #39
Don't lawsuits involve discovery ? rickford66 Oct 2021 #40
If necessary. Not clear what discovery would be necessary here. onenote Oct 2021 #44
Wouldn't they have to decide whether or not a former president has executive privilege? kentuck Oct 2021 #45
That's a legal question. No need for factual discovery to resolve. onenote Oct 2021 #46
The Trump business model. Liberal In Texas Oct 2021 #41

Lovie777

(12,230 posts)
6. shithole is a happy suing jerk . . ..
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 04:42 PM
Oct 2021

that's basically all he does while not paying people and spewing lies and hatred.

malaise

(268,885 posts)
7. This won't stop that criminal contempt referral for Bannon tomorrow
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 04:42 PM
Oct 2021

Would you shut up Man! Just go afuckingway

Fiendish Thingy

(15,568 posts)
9. I wish Biden would stroll over to the archives with a flash drive
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 04:49 PM
Oct 2021

And just access the database himself, then release the files to the committee and the press simultaneously.

Let SCOTUS try and stop him.

FalloutShelter

(11,845 posts)
21. As long as there is a lawyer that will take a
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 05:32 PM
Oct 2021

Dollar from him. He will keep delaying.
I would like to see the bar assn. outlaw taking his dollar.

Of course, I jest.

luv2fly

(2,475 posts)
22. I wish we had a choice
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 05:33 PM
Oct 2021

Sadly we don't, we have to just wait.

and wait,

and f'in wait...

Don't know about all of you but I am tired of waiting. Very tired indeed.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,079 posts)
17. This lawsuit was filed by four person firm that is very weak
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 05:22 PM
Oct 2021

At least this firm is not in a strip mall in New Jersey.. I have never seen parliamentarian being listed a legal specialty

I am not impressed with this lawsuit. TFG is not POTUS and the Presidential Records Act is not unconstitutional simply because TFG does not like it





mobeau69

(11,139 posts)
18. Writer should have said "...as he seeks to keep records of his presidency secret."
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 05:22 PM
Oct 2021

Too much piss poor writing these days.

ashredux

(2,603 posts)
19. Who are the lawyers he would work with Trump today?
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 05:29 PM
Oct 2021

Who are the lawyers he would work with Trump today?

They cannot be the top tier, really good, actually know what they’re doing, attorneys

He never pays his bills!!

lastlib

(23,203 posts)
28. Ambulance chasers out to make a buck from TFG.......
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 05:56 PM
Oct 2021

Won't they be surprised--when he never pays them? heehee

Kid Berwyn

(14,862 posts)
20. USA never signed an NDA with the Unstable Moron.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 05:32 PM
Oct 2021

Hoping to reset Congress in 2022, he wastes our time, again.

Dimmented Donnie really is going to get locked up.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
25. Conclusion: He's hiding something
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 05:41 PM
Oct 2021

I don't think he has standing to sue over a claim of executive privilege, which he ain't got no more anyway.

onenote

(42,684 posts)
43. Supreme Court precedent says he has standing. Its up to the court to decide the merits of his claim.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 11:33 PM
Oct 2021

Nixon v. GSA:

"it is argued, such claims may be asserted only by incumbents who are presently responsible to the American people for their action. We reject the argument that only an incumbent President may assert such claims, and hold that appellant, as a former President, may also be heard to assert them."

The Court went on to say:"we think that the Solicitor General states the sounder view, and we adopt it:

"This Court held in United States v. Nixon . . . that the privilege is necessary to provide the confidentiality required for the President's conduct of office. Unless he can give his advisers some assurance of confidentiality, a President could not expect to receive the full and frank submissions of facts and opinions upon which effective discharge of his duties depends. The confidentiality necessary to this exchange cannot be measured by the few months or years between the submission of the information and the end of the President's tenure; the privilege is not for the benefit of the President as an individual, but for the benefit of the Republic. Therefore the privilege survives the individual President's tenure."

Ultimately, as that case makes clear, where the incumbent president disagrees with the former president, the incumbent's views as to whether the privilege is appropriate are entitled to great weight. But it simply is wrong -- clearly -- to say that Trump cannot assert executive privilege. The courts may (and should) reject that claim, but not on the grounds that he has no standing to make it.

mtngirl47

(988 posts)
27. Delaying tactic
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 05:53 PM
Oct 2021

He wants to run out the clock because he hopes the republicans will take over the House in 2022

Tatertot

(94 posts)
30. The supreme court
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 06:06 PM
Oct 2021

Has already unanimously ruled that executive privilege cannot be used to shield an illegal act in a criminal trial. United States v Nixon 1974. Seems like a small stretch to have it cover a congressional inquiry into criminal acts

bluestarone

(16,900 posts)
31. Maybe just another time these lawyers are just LOOKING LIKE they are doing something?
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 06:07 PM
Oct 2021

Just to keep TFG from EXPLODING?

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
32. Why not....
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 06:12 PM
Oct 2021

Since he can... which I don't understand how he is even able to do this. These are not his documents. He is no longer President how is he even allowed to claim EP? No matter this will take a year or more and by then since the Dems cant seem to pass anything as the majority they will lose the house with no voting rights legislation passed. The GOP will take back the house in midterms and this committee will be ended.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
37. As Trtump is not the president, he cannot claim executive privilege.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:24 PM
Oct 2021

It really is as simple as that.

His pleading amounts to "I don't want these papers released to Congress". To which any decent judge would say, "Tough noogies".

onenote

(42,684 posts)
42. So this Supreme Court precedent doesn't exist?
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 11:32 PM
Oct 2021

Nixon v. GSA:

"it is argued, such claims may be asserted only by incumbents who are presently responsible to the American people for their action. We reject the argument that only an incumbent President may assert such claims, and hold that appellant, as a former President, may also be heard to assert them."

The Court went on to say:"we think that the Solicitor General states the sounder view, and we adopt it:

"This Court held in United States v. Nixon . . . that the privilege is necessary to provide the confidentiality required for the President's conduct of office. Unless he can give his advisers some assurance of confidentiality, a President could not expect to receive the full and frank submissions of facts and opinions upon which effective discharge of his duties depends. The confidentiality necessary to this exchange cannot be measured by the few months or years between the submission of the information and the end of the President's tenure; the privilege is not for the benefit of the President as an individual, but for the benefit of the Republic. Therefore the privilege survives the individual President's tenure."

Ultimately, as that case makes clear, where the incumbent president disagrees with the former president, the incumbent's views as to whether the privilege is appropriate are entitled to great weight. But it simply is wrong -- clearly -- to say that Trump cannot assert executive privilege. The courts may (and should) reject that claim, but not on the grounds that he has no standing to make it.

kentuck

(111,076 posts)
45. Wouldn't they have to decide whether or not a former president has executive privilege?
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 05:47 AM
Oct 2021

Or that his claim of "executive privilege" would outrank the present Commander-in-Chief in the White House?

How tough would that be?

Liberal In Texas

(13,542 posts)
41. The Trump business model.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:48 PM
Oct 2021

Keep filing lawsuits to throw sand in the face of his "enemies" and to delay any accountability until the other side gives up or the issue becomes moot.

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