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brooklynite

(93,873 posts)
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 05:38 PM Oct 2021

NYS Party Chair pressed to resign after not endorsing D candidate for Buffalo Mayor




(D nominee India Walton is a Democratic Socialist who's being supported by Nina Turner and Our Revolution. Byron Brown, the Democratic incumbent, is running a write-in campaign)

(This also raises a different issue: who controls the NYS Democratic Committee. It was clearly understood to be under the thumb of Cuomo, but there's little organizational management left in his absence)
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NYS Party Chair pressed to resign after not endorsing D candidate for Buffalo Mayor (Original Post) brooklynite Oct 2021 OP
should the democratic party endorse non-democrats? not on DU nt msongs Oct 2021 #1
Not aware than anyone on DU is... brooklynite Oct 2021 #2
A lot of us voted for Bloomberg in 2005 Polybius Oct 2021 #43
They should endorse the candidate with 59% of the current Democratic support. Budi Oct 2021 #3
That is...quite a quote from the chair. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #4
Right. The NYS Dem Party Chair is 'supposed' to support the candidate who's endorsed by Nina Turner. Budi Oct 2021 #5
Was the primary won fair and square? dsc Oct 2021 #6
Nope. Not when they have run a 5 yr campaign against every Dem leader past & present. Budi Oct 2021 #7
I don't like her either dsc Oct 2021 #8
Exactly TheRealNorth Oct 2021 #9
There is no Republican running. N/T lapucelle Oct 2021 #11
Something with the lower court & revised Appeals Court ruling took place. Budi Oct 2021 #10
Nina or Killer Mike don't scare me AZProgressive Oct 2021 #14
The problem came when a lower court changed a ruling & the Appeals Court revised it in the primary Budi Oct 2021 #16
I'm a registered Democrat AZProgressive Oct 2021 #18
Dem socs despise the Democratic Party. Budi Oct 2021 #19
I don't buy that this is saving the Dem Party platform AZProgressive Oct 2021 #20
I don't care what you believe about this matter. Budi Oct 2021 #21
I think it was half bowl compared to Trump which is full bowl AZProgressive Oct 2021 #24
Ok so calling Joe Biden a HALF BOWL OF SHIT is acceptable then. Budi Oct 2021 #26
I didn't say that AZProgressive Oct 2021 #28
I don't find this acceptable either AZProgressive Oct 2021 #30
Never bothered to apologize, & reinforced that by calling VP Harris a seat filler, Budi Oct 2021 #35
Nina could have been my rep as I live in Ohio...but I can't stand her...and would never consider Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #32
Nick Brana is the founder and leader of The People's Party AZProgressive Oct 2021 #34
She literally promoted, campaigned & fundraised for the Peoples party. Budi Oct 2021 #36
Wall Street is not happy with a Democratic Socialist winning an election. jalan48 Oct 2021 #12
Meaning what? Budi Oct 2021 #17
I'm a fan of India Walton AZProgressive Oct 2021 #13
I just split a donation with Bernie & India Walton AZProgressive Oct 2021 #15
Why does Bernie need money? brooklynite Oct 2021 #23
He doesn't but since he asked me to split a donation with India Walton AZProgressive Oct 2021 #25
Brown didn't even bother trying to file to run in the primary until it was far too late. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2021 #22
Ok. You have a link to this theory? Because that isn't at all what happened. Budi Oct 2021 #27
Oh, you're right. He missed the filing deadline for Independent, and he outright lost the primary. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2021 #31
Here's what ACTUALLY happened. Byron did the only fair thing, voting ballots had already been se Budi Oct 2021 #29
So because he lost the primary, he's running as a spoiler however he can. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2021 #33
Haaaahaaaa. Oh my. That's rich. Budi Oct 2021 #37
It reminds me of Nader and Lieberman. Spoilers through and through. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2021 #38
Buffalo Party. That's a new one. Bet there's a Buffalo PAC already fundraising too. Budi Oct 2021 #41
G'night! N/T Decoy of Fenris Oct 2021 #42
I don't believe any of our state party chair endorsed our primary winner for mayor. LiberalFighter Oct 2021 #39
I generally would do the opposite of what Nina Turner wants. LiberalFighter Oct 2021 #40
NY Democratic leader apologizes after comparing Buffalo mayoral nominee India Walton to former KKK Celerity Oct 2021 #44
Endorsed by Nina Turner? Hav Oct 2021 #45

Polybius

(15,239 posts)
43. A lot of us voted for Bloomberg in 2005
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 11:53 PM
Oct 2021

His first term was flat-out amazing. His second and third, not so much.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
3. They should endorse the candidate with 59% of the current Democratic support.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 05:45 PM
Oct 2021

As a write in, that would be Brown.
The constituents have spoken.

Brown has always been a Dem. Not a fringe Party that just stuck the D behind their name for position.

I personally am in complete agreement with NYS Democratic Party Chairman Jay Jacobs.

Support the loyal longterm Democrats of the Party.



 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
5. Right. The NYS Dem Party Chair is 'supposed' to support the candidate who's endorsed by Nina Turner.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 06:01 PM
Oct 2021

Maybe Nina Turner should have stayed tf out of this one.

"D nominee India Walton is a Democratic Socialist who's being supported by Nina Turner and Our Revolution. "

NYS Democratic Party is honestly expected to support the candidate who's endorsed by the person who dance across the stage calling Our Democratic President Joe Biden a "Bowl Of Shit." The person who has led a 5 year Media campaign of demoralizing & denigrating every Democratic leader, past & present, like a personal fanatical grudge match.

FUCK THAT!

NYS Dem Party leader Jay Jacobs is exactly right.
@DNC, if this is who we think is best fit to represent New York’s Democratic Party, we are in serious trouble.

Gtfoutta here Nina Turner.



dsc

(52,130 posts)
6. Was the primary won fair and square?
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 06:07 PM
Oct 2021

If so, then yes, the party chair should support the winner. Elections matter, even when we don't like the results of them.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
7. Nope. Not when they have run a 5 yr campaign against every Dem leader past & present.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 06:16 PM
Oct 2021

"Endorsed by Nina Turner" should be enough reason alone.
State Dem Party Chairs are there to protect the integrity of & the platform of the Democratic Party.

President Biden is not a "Bowl of Shit" & VP Harris is not merely "a seat filler".
(Nina Turner quotes)

Oh ya, & Nina's pal Killer Mike sat next to her calling Rep Clyburn "stupid", & Turner nodded her head.

So fk this. NYS Dem Chair is doing what his position calls upon him to do.
Protect the Dem Party, it's leaders & it's platform.

Nina should have stayed out of this one.


dsc

(52,130 posts)
8. I don't like her either
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 06:18 PM
Oct 2021

but the people of Buffalo voted, and assuming it was a fair vote it should be respected.

TheRealNorth

(9,435 posts)
9. Exactly
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 06:27 PM
Oct 2021

Hey, some here think we should just split the votes in a general election and let a Republican win. Isn't that what we are trying to avoid?

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
10. Something with the lower court & revised Appeals Court ruling took place.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 06:32 PM
Oct 2021

Last edited Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:37 PM - Edit history (1)

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/buffalo/news/2021/09/21/mayor-byron-brown-will-not-appeal-court-ruling-on-ballot

SNIP
​"Incumbent Buffalo Mayor Byron Brown will not appeal last week’s appellate court ruling and will instead continue to focus on his write-in campaign.

That means Brown will not be on the ballot in the Buffalo mayoral race.

Democratic primary winner India Walton is the only name that will appear.

Appeals courts at the state and federal level reversed lower court decisions that would have put Brown’s name on the ballot as well.

"We are not going to appeal the appellate court ruling, we could, but military ballots have already gone out, we don't want to interrupt that process," Brown said.


Election Day is November 2."
***************

I had read a brief piece awhile back of a controversy with that primary election.
Think it had something to do with the lower court but I honestly don't recall the details.

Brown could have contested due to a court revision, to have his name also on the ballot as a Dem, but chose to run as an Indy since the voting process was already in play.
I recent polling of Dems he led by 59% to 26%.
So that's all I have on this issue.
 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
16. The problem came when a lower court changed a ruling & the Appeals Court revised it in the primary
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:48 PM
Oct 2021

He has every right to run & the actual sorest loser of them all is Nina Turner.

Kiss of death endorsement.

NYS Party Chair has every right to protect the Dem platform & too bad iif they don't like it.
It's his duty as NYS Democratic Chair.

The controversy & bad timing with the 2 opposing court rulings caused this shitshow.

His polling #'s are double to hers.
NYS Party Chair should endoese the Candidate that best reoresents the party platform & that is longtime Democrat Byron Brown.

He can change his Party affiliation back to Dem when he's elected.

He won't be the 1st to do so. ~

Its not fear of Nina & KM, its their vulger degrading refs to our Dem leaders.

AZProgressive

(29,322 posts)
18. I'm a registered Democrat
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:56 PM
Oct 2021

I want to improve the Democratic Party and what I do is vote for progressives in the primary. I see India Walton as an improvement over Brown and I think Dem Socs make the party better. She is no Manchin or Sinema.

BTW I would be thrilled to have Nina Turner as a rep. Aside from her politics she has a lot of positive energy.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
19. Dem socs despise the Democratic Party.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:08 PM
Oct 2021

Checking when Nina apologized for calling our Dem President a 'Bowl of Shit".....Never.

Nothing's too demoralizing for Nina.
Nina's endorsement is the point where I agreed with NYS Party Chair.

Honor our Dem Platform & all we've represented thru history.

Nina can yell vulgar insults all she wants.
Our Dem Party owes her nothing.

AZProgressive

(29,322 posts)
20. I don't buy that this is saving the Dem Party platform
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:12 PM
Oct 2021

I’m a registered Democrat and I want to see the Party do better.

Dem Socialists work within the Democratic Party. You must be thinking of the People’s Party which despises Democrats including the Dem Socialists. AOC is their most hated politician. I believe in working within the Democratic Party to improve society.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
21. I don't care what you believe about this matter.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:18 PM
Oct 2021

Nina endorsed Walton. Walton accepted it.

People's Party Is/Was Turner's Party till she became an instant Dem again to run in OH-11.

No loyalty there at all. Nothing but an Opportunity.

She should have stayed out of this particular race.
Oh ya, positive energy Nina, Do you agree with Turner that Biden is a "Bowl of Shit. "?

She drew that divisive line. Not the Democratic Party.

AZProgressive

(29,322 posts)
24. I think it was half bowl compared to Trump which is full bowl
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:25 PM
Oct 2021

I was very unimpressed with Biden’s record as a Senator with things like the bankruptcy bill (I remember my mom waiting in long lines to file bankruptcy before the deadline of the changes). I wasn’t looking forward to voting for Biden but I didn’t have a choice because of Trump. The Dem Party wasn’t impressed with Biden either as they wanted to replace him with Cuomo who was doing good in press conferences.

I will say Biden has exceeded my expectations and am glad he isn’t making the same mistakes as Obama.

AZProgressive

(29,322 posts)
28. I didn't say that
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:37 PM
Oct 2021

I just understand her comment because Biden wasn’t my first choice but she shouldn’t have said that considering that is the 1 thing voters hold over Nina. I more or less forgive her for it but I don’t think it was acceptable. She should have been more clear rather than using that analogy.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
35. Never bothered to apologize, & reinforced that by calling VP Harris a seat filler,
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:49 PM
Oct 2021

...and then agreeing when Killer Mike sat next to her calling Rep Clyborn 'stupid'.

Who the fk is Nina Turner anyway.
She's run a 5 yr media hatefest against the Dem Party & its leaders. Anyone accepting an endorsement from her vulgar divisive mouth agrees to wear that stench of hate towards the Dem Party they now demand an endorsement from.

Anyone can stick a D after their name at the drop of a dime.
What you stand for within that D Party Platform is where loyalty lies true.

Nina Turner herself, caused this problem.

She should have kept her public endorsement out of this partucular race.


Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
32. Nina could have been my rep as I live in Ohio...but I can't stand her...and would never consider
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:43 PM
Oct 2021

her an improvement...I happily voted for Shontel...she was the a Democrat unlike Nina who is the founder and a member of the People's Party.

AZProgressive

(29,322 posts)
34. Nick Brana is the founder and leader of The People's Party
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:47 PM
Oct 2021

Nina Turner did have a short association with them and didn’t go along when they were bashing The Squad. Nina Turner and The Squad are very different than the People’s Party.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
36. She literally promoted, campaigned & fundraised for the Peoples party.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:59 PM
Oct 2021

She headlined the Peoples Convention.

There's not a damned thing to be said about her that'll excuse her 5 year campaign, vulgar & critical of every Dem, past & present & the Democratic Party itself.

Nothing can be said to soften the sharp edges of her own grudging words against the Party she publicly slanders every chance she gets.

It is notably odd that she stays quite silent when it comes to Republicans.

NYS Dem Party Chair called it & if anyone is to blame for that call, it is Nina Turner injecting herself into Walton's campaign.


AZProgressive

(29,322 posts)
13. I'm a fan of India Walton
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:36 PM
Oct 2021

Don’t like Bryon Brown’s Socialist fear mongering(he sounds like a Republican when he does it) The fact she is endorsed by Nina Turner is a positive for me despite the fact she drives some here crazy.

AZProgressive

(29,322 posts)
25. He doesn't but since he asked me to split a donation with India Walton
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:27 PM
Oct 2021

I agreed to split it with Bernie. I also split a donation with Bernie & Warnock when he asked in an email for the runoff.

 

Decoy of Fenris

(1,954 posts)
22. Brown didn't even bother trying to file to run in the primary until it was far too late.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:20 PM
Oct 2021

He didn't feel it was important enough, and that he was entitled to the role. This isn't news; There were articles posted about it here a few months ago, along with companion articles that demonstrated Brown's inability to govern. I'm sure someone will try to ding me for "Not supporting Democrats", but since he's no longer a Dem while running as a write-in spoiler Indy, I'd say he's fair game.

It's not all that hard for this Chairman to understand not to support spoiler candidates... right? At least, given his job, you'd think he'd have no trouble understanding how to support the party you serve in a legal and fair election.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
27. Ok. You have a link to this theory? Because that isn't at all what happened.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:33 PM
Oct 2021

But coming from the Nina Turner, "Biden's a Bowl of Shit" direction, I expect no link exists.

Odd because as a write-in, Byron is polling 59% to Walton's 26%.

Not everyone apparantly heard of this latest "theory."



 

Decoy of Fenris

(1,954 posts)
31. Oh, you're right. He missed the filing deadline for Independent, and he outright lost the primary.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:41 PM
Oct 2021

My bad, he didn't fail just once, he did so twice.

He outright lost the primary in a head to head fight despite a war chest twice as big as Waltons, then couldn't squeak out the Independent deadline, I think. I knew there was something sheisty going on about it though. Not only is he a sore loser, he's a loser that can't even do "Independent" right, let alone Democrat. Good riddance to bad Naderite rubbish. The party's better off without him.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
29. Here's what ACTUALLY happened. Byron did the only fair thing, voting ballots had already been se
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:40 PM
Oct 2021
https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/buffalo/news/2021/09/21/mayor-byron-brown-will-not-appeal-court-ruling-on-ballot

SNIP
​"Incumbent Buffalo Mayor Byron Brown will not appeal last week’s appellate court ruling and will instead continue to focus on his write-in campaign.

That means Brown will not be on the ballot in the Buffalo mayoral race.

Democratic primary winner India Walton is the only name that will appear.

Appeals courts at the state and federal level reversed lower court decisions that would have put Brown’s name on the ballot as well.

"We are not going to appeal the appellate court ruling, we could, but military ballots have already gone out, we don't want to interrupt that process," Brown said.


Election Day is November 2."
***************

I had read a brief piece awhile back of a controversy with that primary election.
Think it had something to do with the lower court but I honestly don't recall the details.

Brown could have contested due to a court revision, to have his name also on the ballot as a Dem, but chose to run as an Indy since the voting process was already in play.
 

Decoy of Fenris

(1,954 posts)
33. So because he lost the primary, he's running as a spoiler however he can.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:43 PM
Oct 2021

No more to it than that; He's not a Dem, pure and simple. He's nothing but a vote-splitting Indy.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
37. Haaaahaaaa. Oh my. That's rich.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 10:05 PM
Oct 2021

Guess he learned that from "somebody else's" playbook.

Hmm...lets see, who does that remind us of....

rofl... how does it feel? Tell us, please.

btw He's been a Dem longer than Walton.

 

Decoy of Fenris

(1,954 posts)
38. It reminds me of Nader and Lieberman. Spoilers through and through.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 10:19 PM
Oct 2021

I can't think of a single candidate I'd support doing that with, personally; If I saw a failure of a candidate ACTIVELY RUN AGAINST A DEM as an Independent Write In, after trying and failing to start his own political party (Buffalo Party), I'd laugh at them and throw my full weight to the Dem candidate.

Shouldn't be so controversial, since the guy's not running as a Dem, lost the Dem primary, refused to debate in said primary, therefore he's not a Democrat. What -should- be controversial is this Independent candidate getting a lot of Republican business backing, as well as being propped up by Trump-installed judges. That particular Independent is a Republican in all but name, it seems.

Apparently the Independent has the support of the Right Wing, including some known right-wing extremists.

https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/local/republican-support-for-mayor-byron-browns-buffalo-party/71-b62fefbd-8ee3-4fe1-ab05-0a5cf4ba915a

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
41. Buffalo Party. That's a new one. Bet there's a Buffalo PAC already fundraising too.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 11:31 PM
Oct 2021

Seems how it's done. Like a playbook to run as a Dem without ever really being or supporting any Dem, or even knowing a thing about the Dem Platform.

I mean someine could be a declared communist or have a foreign attachment to a Communist Party, or have traveled to Russia right before a major election campaign begins, or supported Communist regimes, & suddenly stop by the Dem Party to sign on as a Democrat & run against one of their longtime Dem Candidates just to muck things up.

I mean it is lucrative to latch onto the D label. Fundraising, Name recognition, Voter Data, ..man the Dem Party really should set a minimum requirement to run as a Dem considering the access to all those benes.

Yup. Think its long past time for Dems to set a requirement to access all the benes offered on that D label come election time.

They should have at least done it about 6 years ago.

Well. Night!

Celerity

(42,669 posts)
44. NY Democratic leader apologizes after comparing Buffalo mayoral nominee India Walton to former KKK
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 05:50 AM
Oct 2021
leader David Duke

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/new-york-democratic-leader-apologizes-after-comparing-buffalo-mayoral-nominee-india-walton-to-former-kkk-leader-david-duke/2021/10/18/95f176f2-305f-11ec-9241-aad8e48f01ff_story.html

The chair of the New York State Democratic Party apologized Monday after comparing Buffalo mayoral nominee India Walton, a Black woman, to former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke. The party chair, Jay Jacobs, made the comparison in an interview with Spectrum News. He doubled down in a defiant statement issued through the state party before eventually issuing an apology amid criticism from other Democrats, including some calls to resign. Walton, a self-identified socialist, won the Democratic nomination for Buffalo mayor in June, in a victory over four-term incumbent Byron Brown.

Brown has since launched a write-in campaign, and several top New York Democrats, including Jacobs and Gov. Kathy Hochul, have so far declined to endorse a candidate in the race. In the interview with Spectrum News, Jacobs was asked what type of precedent it sets if he and other leading Democrats refrain from endorsing Walton, the winner of the primary. Jacobs responded that it is not necessary for state party chairs to endorse the primary winner, citing the white supremacist Duke as an example.

snip

Jacobs’s remarks prompted a wave of criticism from Democratic elected officials.

“The statement was totally unacceptable and the analogy used was outrageous and beyond absurd,” Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) said in a statement.

New York Assembly member Yuh-Line Niou (D) called Jacobs’s remarks “embarrassing for our party.” Rep. Jamaal Bowman (D-N.Y.) and state Sen. Alessandra Biaggi (D) called on Jacobs to resign. “It’s insane to equate India Walton, a Black woman, with David Duke, someone who supports the legacy of lynching Black people and the rape of Black women,” Bowman said in a statement. “This is the malignant narcissism of far too many white men. Jay Jacobs needs to resign or be removed.”

snip

Hav

(5,969 posts)
45. Endorsed by Nina Turner?
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 06:25 AM
Oct 2021

That's saying something.
Someone mentioned that there's no Repub running, so it's not a potential spoiler situation. Therefore, good luck with the write-in campaign and let the people vote. Nothing wrong with that, right?

Also, while I believe the chosen example was just bad, he said "Let's take a scenario, very different" and "Now of course, India Walton is not in the same category"
Again, it was a very poor and dumb way to make a point, but the argument was meant to be against an automatic endorsement and not about equating endorsing Walton with endorsing Duke.

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