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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,757 posts)
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 07:41 PM Oct 2021

Why Are People Really Leaving Their Jobs? The Whole Reason Can Be Summed Up in 4 Words

A new study reveals what may be driving employee turnover during the Great Resignation.

As the "Great Resignation" continues to rock companies across industries, employers are searching for answers.

Higher pay, Covid burnout, and a lack of career development opportunities have been cited as factors. But that's not the whole story.

Explorance, a leader in Experience Management (XM) solutions, recently commissioned a survey of 2,000 U.S. part- and full-time employed adults to probe the hidden drivers behind the sudden employee exodus.

Four words: Feedback that goes unheard

The survey found that a majority of employees are eager to share feedback with employers and do so in the hopes of driving positive change in their workplace. However, employees -- including many executives -- feel that all too often their feedback goes unheard and does not result in meaningful change.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/why-are-people-really-leaving-their-jobs-the-whole-reason-can-be-summed-up-in-4-words/ar-AAPH3Fv

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Why Are People Really Leaving Their Jobs? The Whole Reason Can Be Summed Up in 4 Words (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2021 OP
If there was feedback, it was "Shut up and work harder" dalton99a Oct 2021 #1
Three words, actually: Sick and tired. marble falls Oct 2021 #2
I might be able to get it down to three words . . . hatrack Oct 2021 #3
Yes! SilasSouleII Oct 2021 #10
Congrats, Corgigal Oct 2021 #11
+1 uponit7771 Oct 2021 #25
+10000000000000000 Celerity Oct 2021 #26
At a local farm supply store UpInArms Oct 2021 #4
I assume this problem also existed pre-pandemic when they weren't resigning their jobs? JoanofArgh Oct 2021 #5
It probably did, but maybe the pandemic Mr.Bill Oct 2021 #6
I believe Rebl2 Oct 2021 #15
I have been commenting for years now about people staying in jobs where they PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2021 #7
Unheard? Demobrat Oct 2021 #8
There's a flip side to that... CaptainTruth Oct 2021 #14
Yup! lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #39
Years ago I was in management Roy Rolling Oct 2021 #9
Count me in madwivoter Oct 2021 #12
Good luck! BigmanPigman Oct 2021 #17
Thank you! madwivoter Oct 2021 #23
I've heard that most workers quit managers, not jobs csziggy Oct 2021 #21
I agree madwivoter Oct 2021 #24
Many companies have stopped doing exit interviews. milestogo Oct 2021 #13
the ol' saying " take this job & shove it " ! monkeyman1 Oct 2021 #16
As an older person I remember when input was encouraged. halfulglas Oct 2021 #18
Okay. But let's get to the root cause: Auggie Oct 2021 #19
Yup. People whose talents and skills are devoted to schmoozing, not management JHB Oct 2021 #29
How many are sociopaths, by the way? Auggie Oct 2021 #36
And corporations solution to this? MBAs fescuerescue Oct 2021 #33
Yesh, especially MBA bean-counters Auggie Oct 2021 #35
I watched a pair of MBAs from Pepsi tear apart a silicon valley company I used to work for fescuerescue Oct 2021 #38
+1 Auggie Oct 2021 #40
Totally true Diraven Oct 2021 #20
They found out they didn't need 2 two to three jobs. Xolodno Oct 2021 #22
Yea I think it's multiple factors including that one fescuerescue Oct 2021 #37
Feedback that goes unheard Norbert Oct 2021 #27
I didn't mind the work so much. It was mind numbingly leftyladyfrommo Oct 2021 #28
I like being a 3rd shift mainframe computer operator. marie999 Oct 2021 #30
The industrial age is in its twilight Johnny2X2X Oct 2021 #31
Two words. Bad management. roamer65 Oct 2021 #32
Employers have gotten used to dictating terms of employment. Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #34

UpInArms

(51,280 posts)
4. At a local farm supply store
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 07:56 PM
Oct 2021

Me: I would like to be able to buy this product

Clerk: am sorry, we don’t have that

Me: can you tell management?

Clerk: it won’t do any good

Mr.Bill

(24,242 posts)
6. It probably did, but maybe the pandemic
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 08:05 PM
Oct 2021

gave people time to step back and see things from a different perspective.

Rebl2

(13,470 posts)
15. I believe
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 10:22 PM
Oct 2021

you are correct. Time to reflect and decide to pursue a new direction in their lives

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,816 posts)
7. I have been commenting for years now about people staying in jobs where they
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 08:50 PM
Oct 2021

are overworked and abused. I understand that until the last year or so many of them felt (sometimes rightly, sometimes wrongly) that they had no choice. Well now, they understand they have choices. And hooray for that!

I like eating out at restaurants. I'm not doing it so often these days because of Covid and not wanting to be in an enclosed space with many people. If, down the road, I'm paying more for the meal, and have difficulty getting a table because there aren't as many servers, I understand. And I will continue to tip more than I used to, unless restaurants go to paying a living wage, no tips. The same with various other things.

Most of my working life I had jobs dealing with the public, so I know how tough it can be. I try very hard to be kind and patient with those waiting on me. I am finding that as I get older (I'm now 73) it's all too easy to fall into an old person crabbiness mode. I remember very clearly how much I hated that when I was younger, so I try to monitor myself now. It's not always easy. So please, be patient with me if I am less than patient with you, and remind me of this posting.

Demobrat

(8,960 posts)
8. Unheard?
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 09:41 PM
Oct 2021

It’s more like feedback that labels you a complainer with a bad attitude.

If there’s anything I’ve learned in my long career in advertising and marketing for major corporations it’s this:

The person who brings the problem IS the problem.

Always. No exceptions.

Put on a happy face and pretend everything is great. Or else.

CaptainTruth

(6,576 posts)
14. There's a flip side to that...
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 10:18 PM
Oct 2021

"The person who brings the problem IS the problem."

Maybe I've been lucky but I've found that the person who identifies the problem & brings a well-researched, documented, viable solution will be listened to. In other words, don't just bring problems, bring solutions.

On more than one occasion I've had the gall to book a meeting with the CEO/President of the company & give them a concise presentation documenting the problem & my proposal for solving it, & how my proposal will result in greater efficiency, cost savings, increased customer satisfaction, enhanced brand value etc etc whatever combination is appropriate to the specific situation. I've had CEOs listen & tell me "do it," creating a new department within the company & putting me in charge of it. They have people bring them problems all day long, every day. They don't reward that. They reward people who bring them solutions.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
39. Yup!
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 11:20 AM
Oct 2021

Sometimes, it takes a LOOONG time. But in my experience, I've found that persistence and diligence in presenting solutions, prototyping where possible, eventually helps. Generally, the ship turns only after losing some customers as a result of the problem; then management, one day, announces the new initiative that should have been started a few years prior. But we start.

Roy Rolling

(6,908 posts)
9. Years ago I was in management
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 09:45 PM
Oct 2021

I learned that compensation was third or fourth on the list of things employees are motivated by.

First on the list was recognition by managers, like making changes heard through the old-fashioned “Suggestion Box”.

People are the same, it still works. Employees like working where their boss includes them in the decision-making, and doesn’t treat them like a new recruit and they are the military drill sergeant.

Some managers are weak, they don’t understand employees are the key to their own success.

madwivoter

(539 posts)
12. Count me in
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 10:13 PM
Oct 2021

I've been stuck under shitty management that gets astoundingly worse by the day. They 'listen' to suggestions, but never take (or allow anyone else) to take any action to improve things. I wanted to start looking for a new gig last year but decided to play it safe because of the pandemic.

I started looking for a new job last March, it's been a wild ride (LOTS of job opportunities to scour through, required skills that seem out of sync with the job, wacky interview scenarios, etc.) but I finally landed a new job that I'll start in a few weeks. The new job is also on a completely different career path which I hope will work out.

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
21. I've heard that most workers quit managers, not jobs
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 11:13 PM
Oct 2021

Bad managers make workers so discouraged, they will quit to get away from them.

Good luck with your new job. I hope it is much better for you.

madwivoter

(539 posts)
24. I agree
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 11:42 PM
Oct 2021

Several people have left over the last several months (I'm also leaving a management position). How much energy and time are people willing to spend only to be met with a brick wall? I hit my limit, and i don't feel like I'm leaving anything unfinished. I did all I could do, now it's time to move on with my career.

Thank you for the kind wishes!

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
13. Many companies have stopped doing exit interviews.
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 10:16 PM
Oct 2021

A friend was a manager at a company for 20 years. He invested heart and soul in it, but he also would have liked to give constructive feedback on his way out.

Nobody asked.

halfulglas

(1,654 posts)
18. As an older person I remember when input was encouraged.
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 10:28 PM
Oct 2021

But I think a number of factors have changed. Modern business management schools encourage sameness with top heavy management making the decisions despite the "team building" stuff in which a lot of employees still don't feel like they're part of the team because the CEO feels he's responsible for all the success and he's going to take the credit. If he sees things are working, why get input - maybe they'll expect a big raise if the idea is good. Each department is given a budget and they don't really want feedback.

Of course most modern CEOs probably won't acknowledge they share a big responsibility for the current supply chain problems with their refusing to stock inventory in recent years. They're not ordering until they were sure they were going to sell it - now there aren't enough workers to unload all the orders from the ships, transport it in the trucks, stock the shelves when the merchandise comes in or sales personnel. They will just blame lazy people who don't want to work.

Auggie

(31,133 posts)
19. Okay. But let's get to the root cause:
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 10:30 PM
Oct 2021

People promoted to management without management skills, leadership skills, people skills, or management training.

I’ve seen it in nepotism, cliques, sycophants …

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
33. And corporations solution to this? MBAs
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 10:24 AM
Oct 2021

without experience in the product or service that the company delivers.

Auggie

(31,133 posts)
35. Yesh, especially MBA bean-counters
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 10:35 AM
Oct 2021

Who would care about feedback when the bottom line is all about profits?

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
38. I watched a pair of MBAs from Pepsi tear apart a silicon valley company I used to work for
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 11:16 AM
Oct 2021

We were doing great. printing money damn near.

But the company wanted even more so they fired the engineer risen managers that had built it, and brought a couple of MBAs from Pepsi.

A year later they were losing money.

It reminds me of Apple back in the day. MBAs. Ex Pepsi people etc.

Diraven

(499 posts)
20. Totally true
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 10:47 PM
Oct 2021

Places I've worked that claim to value feedback do it just so workers think they have some say over their working conditions. But management always decides they don't.

Xolodno

(6,384 posts)
22. They found out they didn't need 2 two to three jobs.
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 11:34 PM
Oct 2021

When I was vacationing near a national park, the nearby town had an obvious labor shortage. As a curiosity, I looked at rents, cost of living, etc. in the area. It shocked me.

I bet a lot of people simply just left and took up residence in a cheaper area. And used their time to develop job skills that doesn't require them to work low skilled jobs.

They may have been in a vicious circle. Want a better job...but can't because they don't have the time to develop skills. And can't get the time because they have to work an insane amount of hours. Which pays for living expenses. But want a better job.

The pandemic broke the cycle.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
37. Yea I think it's multiple factors including that one
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 11:12 AM
Oct 2021

I think the pandemic broke the cycle of multiple causes.

Norbert

(6,038 posts)
27. Feedback that goes unheard
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 05:20 AM
Oct 2021

In my company there has been a turnover in management in the last 3-4 years. In the last year especially this has become a problem. They need to right the ship and start listening or else there will be consequences like employees leaving for competing companies.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,866 posts)
28. I didn't mind the work so much. It was mind numbingly
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 07:29 AM
Oct 2021

boring.

It was the terrible managers and the awful stress that I put up with for years.

I have been doing my own thing for 12 years now and I still have PTSD from those years.

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
30. I like being a 3rd shift mainframe computer operator.
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 09:22 AM
Oct 2021

1. because I saw my boss for only about 10 minutes in the morning. 2. I worked alone. 3. About 5 hours of my 8-hour shift I could sit quietly and read.

Johnny2X2X

(18,973 posts)
31. The industrial age is in its twilight
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 09:34 AM
Oct 2021

The information age is in high gear and it will give way to the artificial intelligence age. We've embraced economic systems globally that rely on unending economic growth to provide basic goods and services to the masses. Office workers right now, even highly skilled ones are not doing "real" value added work 90% of the time. We've created unending paperwork and busy work to keep people employed because value added work is so scarce nowadays.

Happy Hoosier

(7,220 posts)
34. Employers have gotten used to dictating terms of employment.
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 10:24 AM
Oct 2021

Of course, they espouse a love of the free market, but now that it is rearing its head in the labor market, they are not pleased.

It reveals most of them for what they are.

But there are good examples. A local restaurant actually just raised pay to $20/hr and added medical benefits. They are not understaffed.

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