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Demovictory9

(32,443 posts)
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 11:37 AM Oct 2021

The surprisingly complicated politics of the California crime everyone commits

There’s something of an unspoken rule among city residents of many major metropolitan cities, whether it be D.C. or San Francisco or New York City: If you’re standing at an intersection with traffic lights, no cars are approaching and you’re waiting at a red light, you can cross the street.

Now, this isn’t standard practice everywhere — nor is it probably a great idea on, say, an intersection by a highway exit or an extended, dual road. It's also not much of a thing in super car-centric places like Los Angeles, as you'd expect. But in many instances, jaywalking is a relatively harmless act when done appropriately — and whether you’d like to admit it or not, you’ve probably done it.

So, it begs the question: Why did Gov. Gavin Newsom veto a bill that would decriminalize jaywalking? In his veto message, he expressed concern that California still has high rates of pedestrian fatalities, ranking eighth in the nation for every 100,000 people. Newsom’s office did not immediately respond to a request from SFGATE for more context on the decision.

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Ting, who represents California’s 19th district, including portions of San Francisco, told SFGATE that his primary goal in writing this bill was to encourage more of his constituents to explore their cities by foot. He was, in part, inspired by the fact that jaywalking initially originated as a car manufacturer promotion to establish motor vehicles as the standard mode of transportation in America. (This 2015 Vox explainer dives deeper into that.)

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Assembly Bill 1238 would have banned fines for jaywalking "when there is no immediate hazard" and permitted pedestrians to "use a crosswalk on a yellow light." The bill would still prohibit risky jaywalking, such as on a crowded throughway or on a highway.

https://www.sfgate.com/california-politics/article/Gavin-Newsom-veto-jaywalking-bill-California-Ting-16545646.php

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Mz Pip

(27,434 posts)
1. Just wait for the damn light
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 11:51 AM
Oct 2021

Why is everyone in such a damn hurry? Wait for the light to change. How long can it be? A minute?

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
3. Lights are much longer than a minute on larger streets with turn lanes
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 12:14 PM
Oct 2021

I've stood there many times when the lights were green for cars and red for pedestrians. With the extra turn lane lights in the cycle, it can take over 3 minutes, a majority of the time when it would be safe enough to cross.

msfiddlestix

(7,272 posts)
5. Actually, they're generally much longer.
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 12:35 PM
Oct 2021

And generally Pedestrians are in a hurry to clock in at work on time, or make an important appointment, scheduled interview, connect to transit, or a myriad of other critically timed events.

Secondly, unless I mis read the text, the bill speaks to those low or no trafficked areas, where the conditions are otherwise safe to cross.

That's my reading of the report. Am I misunderstanding the terms?

msfiddlestix

(7,272 posts)
2. Not sure I understand the complaint, but I approve the signage of this bill. it makes sense to me..
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 12:00 PM
Oct 2021

highly priced jaywalking citations have been notoriously used for revenue and for wrongful arrests of people of color.

I was once charged with a $100 jaywalking fine back in the 80's in Bakersfield for crossing a no traffic street, meaning a street full of unoccupied buildings and no vehicle traffic. End of month revenue source.

Harmed me financially.

So, I approve.

Demovictory9

(32,443 posts)
6. Los angeles is ticketing $350 for jaywalking thats really not jaywalking
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 12:54 PM
Oct 2021

Friend got caught in this sting..

cop waits at very.busy intersection..tickets those who start across after hand is no longer green but clearly enough time to cross based on seconds.counting down

msfiddlestix

(7,272 posts)
7. wow. the orange hand is supposed to me cautionary. not like a red light violation, ffs.
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 01:05 PM
Oct 2021

one of the sleaziest things I think cops are pressured to do is raise revenue by all manner of small infractions.

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