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How it started v. How it's going: Nevada dead voter (Original Post) Nevilledog Oct 2021 OP
If they were serious about stopping voter fraud Jerry2144 Oct 2021 #1
Vote by mail is remarkably efficient and devoid of fraud gratuitous Oct 2021 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #2
They will, on their knees, if Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2021 #7
+1, uponit7771 Oct 2021 #11
Much to be explained about voting bucolic_frolic Oct 2021 #3
I think most (possibly all) of Kentucky uses ES&S machines--no paper backup. Lonestarblue Oct 2021 #13
so by your implication stopdiggin Oct 2021 #17
I'm sorry but his face just screams "I'm an asshole,now do something about it" Walleye Oct 2021 #4
It sure does! I looked at that and thought - what a SMUG mug! liberalla Oct 2021 #15
Tex Lt Gv Patrick's campaign's first bounty $25K paid to person who found a GOP Texas fraud case. nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2021 #6
Another Republican exposes himself struggle4progress Oct 2021 #8
isn't that like a 5-year prison sentence? stillcool Oct 2021 #9
And what an absolutely stupid crime to commit. Kablooie Oct 2021 #10
Let me guess... LisaL Oct 2021 #12
Second source irisblue Oct 2021 #14
Time for the fool from Texasistan to send another $25K check. Hassler Oct 2021 #16

Jerry2144

(2,099 posts)
1. If they were serious about stopping voter fraud
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 05:59 PM
Oct 2021

I suspect the Republican voter number would be lower. How many Republican men actually fill out their wife’s ballots or force her to fill it out a certain way. I imagine the right does this crap often enough. Authoritarians are more likely to do this

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
5. Vote by mail is remarkably efficient and devoid of fraud
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 06:41 PM
Oct 2021

We've been voting by mail exclusively in Oregon for nearly 20 years, and while I have no doubt that there are incidents of someone forcing another person to fill out their ballot in a certain way, the reality is that it doesn't have a material effect on the outcome of the voting. Fixing the odd ballot here and there is like counterfeiting pennies; it's just not worth the effort and the penalties far outweigh any potential gain. The higher turnout in vote-by-mail elections swamps the isolated incidents of ballot fraud.

Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

bucolic_frolic

(43,128 posts)
3. Much to be explained about voting
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 06:24 PM
Oct 2021

McConnell in Kentucky. It's like he has a permanent seat. Polls don't matter. He gets 59%.

Voter fraud only matters in very close elections. Unless there are master deals we don't know about. Yet.

Lonestarblue

(9,971 posts)
13. I think most (possibly all) of Kentucky uses ES&S machines--no paper backup.
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 07:57 PM
Oct 2021

And no one is allowed to check the programming after an election because it’s a trade secret.

stopdiggin

(11,296 posts)
17. so by your implication
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 08:55 PM
Oct 2021

voting in KY (and McConnell's wins) are fraudulent.

Given the murky cloud we're under right now in this country with voting rights and election legitimacy - I wish you would not make such claims, unless you have some real evidence. The OP is giving an illustration of one more 'election fraud' story being debunked as BS. And then you come along ....

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
9. isn't that like a 5-year prison sentence?
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 07:24 PM
Oct 2021


CRYSTAL MASON THOUGHT SHE HAD THE RIGHT TO VOTE. TEXAS SENTENCED HER TO FIVE YEARS IN PRISON FOR TRYING.
The case of a Texas mother is a window into how the myth of voter fraud is being weaponized to suppress the vote.
By Amrit Cheng

Crystal Mason, a Texas mother of three, is on her way to a job interview but first needs to get her hair done. She stops by the Straight Line Barber Lounge, where the barber is a friend. As they chat, the TV plays in the background, announcing which presidential candidates have qualified to participate in the first Democratic Party debate. It’s a crowded field, and Crystal has thoughts. She likes Beto O’Rourke, who her daughter worked for, and Bernie Sanders.

“The reason why I am for Bernie Sanders is because he reached out to me and he did a video in regard to my situation on voter suppression,” she explains. By “situation,” Crystal is referring to the fact that Texas intends to send her to prison for the crime of voting while the state considered her ineligible. About three years ago, Crystal cast a provisional ballot while she was on “federal supervised release,” a preliminary period of freedom for individuals who have served their full time of incarceration in federal prison.

It was an honest mistake that will cost her five years in prison – unless her conviction is overturned on appeal.
https://www.aclu.org/issues/voting-rights/fighting-voter-suppression/crystal-mason-thought-she-had-right-vote-texas

Kablooie

(18,625 posts)
10. And what an absolutely stupid crime to commit.
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 07:41 PM
Oct 2021

One single vote isn't going to mean anything in an election.
Only Trump Republicans would be dense enough to commit this crime.

irisblue

(32,967 posts)
14. Second source
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 08:10 PM
Oct 2021
https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/prosecutors-clark-county-man-touted-in-republican-election-fraud-allegations-voted-his-dead-wifes-ballot

snip--Hartle has been charged with two category D felonies, according to the criminal complaint. Both are punishable by a prison term of up to four years, as well as a fine of up to $5,000."

snip--Hartle is the senior chief financial officer and treasurer for the Ahern Family of Companies, according to his LinkedIn page. The company’s owner, Don Ahern, is a major supporter of former President Donald Trump, whose rally the company hosted at one of their manufacturing facilities in September in violation of COVID-19 health and safety protocols.


snip--"Voter fraud is rare, but when it happens it undercuts trust in our election system and will not be tolerated by my office,” Attorney General Aaron Ford said in a statement. “I want to stress that our office will pursue any credible allegations of voter fraud and will work to bring any offenders to justice.”

A review by Secretary of State Barbara Cegvaske’s office this spring of evidence of voter fraud presented by the Nevada Republican Party found that of 1,506 voters the party alleged to have voted by mail even though they were deceased, only 10 were actually deceased, according to the Office of Vital Statistics. The report said those 10 individuals were referred for investigation by law enforcement."

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