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NJCher

(35,643 posts)
4. The pitiful thing about cawthorn's argument
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 04:22 AM
Oct 2021

Is that even if what he says is true, it still wouldn’t mean that trump could have won the election.

Celerity

(43,239 posts)
6. If you toss out all the states the traitors are lying about, then no one's at 270 EV's, so it'd go
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 06:43 AM
Oct 2021

to the House, and Trump would have been elected because the Rethugs control 27 state delegations (Dems control 20, and there are 3 ties, PA. MI, MN), and 26 or more votes are needed for a POTUS to be elected by the House.

That will be the plan the Rethugs will try in 2024 if they lose the electoral college. They will have 26 IS House delegations at a minimum, as only IA has even a remote chance (and IA is highly doubtful, as IA is rocketing to the RW, Trump is a plus 32 to 38 over Biden in terms of net favourability atm) to be pulled off their current 27.

dansolo

(5,376 posts)
7. Why is this falsehood repeated over and over?
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 07:19 AM
Oct 2021

If the contested states were thrown out, then the required number of EV would no longer be 270. Biden would have still had a majority of EV cast, so he would have still been elected. The only circumstance where it goes to the house is if the EV are tied, or if a third party candidate managed to pick up enough EV to prevent anyone from getting a majority.

What Trump was trying to do was far more insidious. He was looking to try and steal EV by getting election officials to discard legally cast Biden votes, or have Republican led states come up with any bogus reason to submit a different slate of electors for Trump.

Celerity

(43,239 posts)
8. no, you are incorrect with your claims in terms of certainty
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 08:30 AM
Oct 2021
If the contested states were thrown out, then the required number of EV would no longer be 270. Biden would have still had a majority of EV cast, so he would have still been elected.


That is definitely NOT a certainty. The Electoral Count Act of 1887 does not specify that at all, and IF the Rethugs control the House, they can say that majority has not been met. There are also serious questions whether the ECA can even constitutionally bind future Congresses.

here is a massive constitutional law article on all this

http://www.floridalawreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Siegel-BOOK.pdf

snip

As interpreted by this Article, the ECA is a coherent enactment. The ECA’s coherence does not mean that it is a complete response to the problems of Congress’s electoral vote counting. The ECA’s sponsors said it was. Nevertheless, should Congress reject an electoral vote, the ECA does not address whether, or under what circumstances, the number of electoral votes required for the President’s election is reduced. To be elected President, the Constitution requires a candidate to receive “a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed.” The provision was adopted to prevent states from hamstringing the federal government by simply not participating in the presidential election. When Congress rejects an electoral vote, the effect that decision has on the denominator that determines whether a candidate has more than fifty percent of the electoral vote is an entirely open issue, and congressional precedent is split.

Should the number always remain the same? Should it always be reduced pro tanto? Should the effect on the number vary with the reason for Congress’s exclusion? Senate leaders raised this issue while the ECA was under consideration, and they gave differing answers to the question. Good arguments were raised on all sides of the question. Perhaps because the diversity of strongly held views might imperil the delicate web of compromises supporting the ECA, Congress avoided addressing the issue in the ECA. If a future Congress were to exclude votes under the ECA, it is possible that one chamber of Congress would conclude that the leading candidate did not receive a majority of the relevant pool of electoral votes, while the other chamber will conclude that he or she did.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contingent_election

A candidate must receive an absolute majority of electoral votes (currently 270) to win the presidency or the vice presidency. If no candidate receives a majority in the election for president or vice president, that election is determined via a contingency procedure established by the 12th Amendment. In such a situation, the House chooses one of the top three presidential electoral vote-winners as the president, while the Senate chooses one of the top two vice presidential electoral vote-winners as vice president.


The Rethugs may well try (if they lose the EC in 2024 and if they control the US House) to block enough EV's (there are multiple ways at both state and the US House level to do this) to toss the POTUS election into the House, where they would have the 26 (or more) State delegations needed to make Trump POTUS. The same applies for VPOTUS and the Senate. They also MAY (as you stated) try to have Rethug-controlled state legislatures in a Rethug controlled state simply give the slate of EV's to the Rethug, if the Dem wins the state's popular vote.

underpants

(182,717 posts)
5. Article II section 3 says nothing about elections.
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 06:22 AM
Oct 2021

He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information on the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

bottomofthehill

(8,325 posts)
9. 2 time college drop out with traumatic brain injury
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 09:17 AM
Oct 2021

One of the best and brightest elected to Congress


Total fucking bullshit merchant.

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