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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsVerrrry interesting.... vaccinated people die less of OTHER causes, too....
"CDC data show that people vaccinated with the Pfizer or Moderna covid-19 jabs are one-third as likely to die of other causes too."
"The CDCs study started with the health records of more than 11million Americans. Researchers followed these people from December 2020 to July 2021, recording any deaths and their causes. During this period around 6million people in the cohort received jabs for covid-19. The researchers could then separate those who happened to die after having had their vaccinations from those who died unvaccinated."
"The report showed that, after removing any deaths associated with covid-19, and controlling for demographic factors such as age and sex, people who had been jabbed were far likelier to have survived."
"For the unvaccinated, the mortality rate was more than three times as high, at 1.11 per 100 person-years. The pattern held across all races and ethnicities."
"This is not the first time scientists have found that vaccines designed to prevent one disease would seem to protect against other causes of death. Even though seasonal influenza is only responsible for around 5% of winter mortality, several large-cohort studies have found that the mortality rate due to any cause is around 50% lower in people who have been vaccinated against flu."
"real-world data is never perfectly controlled. It seems all but certain that some still-invisible difference between people who get the vaccine and those who do not, rather than some unknown benefit of the jab, is to thank (or blame) for the vaccines correlative effects. Jabs are not immunizations against mortality.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/10/27/people-with-covid-jabs-have-been-less-likely-to-die-of-other-causes?fbclid=IwAR38G7NenJGhrVS7kuDKluXE4OBS1c6H112oi7KgrwbKhxeerg5qqE11vRA

Midnight Writer
(23,527 posts)dem4decades
(12,494 posts)calimary
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dem4decades
(12,494 posts)calimary
(85,464 posts)berni_mccoy
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littlemissmartypants
(26,914 posts)"cognitive proficiency"
brewens
(15,359 posts)other medical care to avoid contact. That puts them at higher risk for whatever else might do them in. I have my two Moderna, would rather not have contact, but have felt comfortable enough to go to my regular medical appointments. If I was still waiting, I would have put those off.
unblock
(54,793 posts)For instance, if they're not doing the sensible, healthy thing regarding Covid, the unvaccinated might not be doing other sensible, healthy things.
So maybe they also avoid other vaccines. Maybe they don't take their blood pressure medication consistently. Maybe they just engage in risky behavior more. Maybe they avoid doctors more than most.
Or maybe it's something else. I wonder if the unvaccinated are more likely to be uninsured, which of course is correlated with worse outcomes.
GopherGal
(2,410 posts)But had framed my thoughts from the positive point of view: Maybe the vaxxers are more likely to be full participants in preventative medicine in general. Whatever the root cause(s) may be, be it access to health insurance that covers preventative measures, risk-averse temperament, etc.
As I recall, some of the controversy about the relationship between cardiovascular risk and use of hormone replacement therapy to minimize menopausal symptoms was confounded by similar factors. The data were from observational (rather than randomized) studies, and closer examination of the data showed that the women taking hormones for menopausal symptoms were otherwise healthier than those who didn't. The women who self-selected themselves into the "hormones" group tended to be otherwise more healthy than those who didn't.
ThoughtCriminal
(14,467 posts)Smoke
Drink heavily
Drive badly
Eat unhealthy foods
Avoid other vaccines (flu, etc)
Avoid routine medical examinations and tests
In general, make poor life decisions
Ron Obvious
(6,261 posts)Is the thing to keep in mind with stats like this.
Gore1FL
(22,333 posts)The vaccine is but one example in a cornucopia of smart living.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)I believe you have the correct answer here.
Ron Obvious
(6,261 posts)cadoman
(1,149 posts)It's such a strange comparison to make. I can't find the full death count in the data, but you'd think that _with_ COVID-related deaths the disparity would be jaw-dropping!
Jazz Jon
(157 posts)My guess is that people who are getting the flu shot take better care of themselves in general... diet exercise, not smoking,, etc. That's a lot of factors that would be hard to control for in a clinical study.
Mariana
(15,450 posts)is due to deaths caused by Covid-19 that were not reported as such.
albacore
(2,677 posts)Wounded Bear
(61,563 posts)Flu season last winter was a near non-event compared to most average years. I don't remember seeing any reports that more people got flu shots.
Rhiannon12866
(230,465 posts)I need to share this with my brother. I had a conversation with him today about getting the booster (he's not old enough, anyway) and he doesn't see the point since he keeps reading about "breakthrough" cases. He is fully vaccinated, though, got his second (Pfizer) shot in May. *sigh*