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Wed Oct 27, 2021, 07:43 PM

How is it Democracy when 2 people can decide they will kill human kind

And cause untold suffering, and itís allowed to ride.

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Reply How is it Democracy when 2 people can decide they will kill human kind (Original post)
onecaliberal Oct 27 OP
leftstreet Oct 27 #1
marybourg Oct 27 #2
Hoyt Oct 27 #3
onecaliberal Oct 27 #5
Hoyt Oct 27 #8
FBaggins Oct 27 #4
onecaliberal Oct 27 #6
Amishman Oct 28 #12
Liberal In Texas Oct 27 #7
localroger Oct 27 #9
UTUSN Oct 28 #10
LeftInTX Oct 28 #11

Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 27, 2021, 07:44 PM

1. It's bad leadership n/t

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 27, 2021, 07:45 PM

2. Who? How?

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 27, 2021, 07:47 PM

3. Assuming you are talking about 2 elected senators, elected by several million voters.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #3)

Wed Oct 27, 2021, 08:35 PM

5. They represent a tiny fraction of the country.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 27, 2021, 09:25 PM

8. Don't agree with them, but there are 50 GOPers too. And,

just guessing, but bet there are a few other Democrats glad those two are opposing original proposal.

Donít like the results, but think that is democracy.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 27, 2021, 07:49 PM

4. They can't

But 52 can.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 27, 2021, 08:36 PM

6. Very good point. TY!

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #4)

Thu Oct 28, 2021, 06:16 AM

12. Yup, can't ignore the 50 Pubs and those who elected them

And they aren't even at the negotiating table at all

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 27, 2021, 08:42 PM

7. We have gradually let bribing politicians to become acceptable practice

and legal to boot.

Putting $$$ in front of many even altruistic pols, and especially some who are just naturally craven, is too much temptation. And there seems to be no consequences for being corrupt.

We've let this get worse and worse over the years with little public outrage. Now here we are.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 27, 2021, 10:37 PM

9. Well, it's not Democracy. It's a Democratic Republic.

It was designed from the outset, very explicitly by our Founding Fathers, to be only just-so democratic so that certain prevailing interests could be secure. At the outset those included the slaveholding interests of the South. But even after the Civil War, the structures put into the Constitution to protect them (and make no mistake, the Constitution was structured to protect those interests) still protected the losers of the Civil War, who were mostly given a pass for their insurrection in the interest of "healing the nation."

Direct democracy was not possible with the technology of the 1700's, but something a lot better than the Senate clusterfuck we live with today surely was. Our current problem is, as bad as the crapfest they saddled us with is, they recognized probably correctly that something even worse would emerge in any partisan environment that was likely to emerge in the years after 1790. So they made it very difficult to change the Constitution. Which is either great wisdom or a tragedy depending on how you look at it. We are basically running Democracy 0.9 unpatched in a world where 3.x is the norm, and updates are disabled.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Thu Oct 28, 2021, 12:02 AM

10. Yip, I missed the part that individuals could be separate houses of Congress

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Thu Oct 28, 2021, 12:04 AM

11. There are also 48 other ones who are culpable.

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