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The Lincoln Project has confirmed it was behind the image with tiki torches at today's rally for You (Original Post) demmiblue Oct 2021 OP
This was a remarkably terrible idea Sympthsical Oct 2021 #1
The latter scenario, I believe: demmiblue Oct 2021 #3
I don't have the words Sympthsical Oct 2021 #5
The right stages false flags all the time and the perpetrators are hailed as hero's. hadEnuf Oct 2021 #17
That isn't the point. Caliman73 Oct 2021 #28
The Lincoln Project are not Democrats. gldstwmn Oct 2021 #42
Which Republicans are they currently backing? FBaggins Oct 2021 #54
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2021 #52
Lol ! OnDoutside Oct 2021 #2
Lauren Windsor's admission: demmiblue Oct 2021 #4
@TerryMcAuliffe 's campaign condemned the stunt. "What happened today is disgusting and distasteful demmiblue Oct 2021 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Sinistrous Oct 2021 #7
I sincerely hope that Sinistrous Oct 2021 #8
Dumb idea, but I'm not sure it moves the needle much Blaukraut Oct 2021 #9
"I don't think parents should be telling schools what they should teach." madville Oct 2021 #15
Thanks. He's not wrong, but yes. It'll give assholes an excuse to vote against him n/t Blaukraut Oct 2021 #26
Might be a good time to point out that LP are Republican operatives localroger Oct 2021 #10
When did Republicans become trustworthy? live love laugh Oct 2021 #51
Post removed Post removed Oct 2021 #11
Hey MIRT...Looky here! revmclaren Oct 2021 #20
Damn, I missed it. groundloop Oct 2021 #24
They're getting easier and easier to spot. revmclaren Oct 2021 #27
The Lincoln Project has heard Americans loud and clear bucolic_frolic Oct 2021 #12
This is not what I want Dorian Gray Oct 2021 #36
This is probably the dumbest political stunt since the backwards B girl. Ace Rothstein Oct 2021 #13
Idiot plan! 💩 👎 nt Raine Oct 2021 #14
What the HELL is wrong with these people? ForgedCrank Oct 2021 #16
This is next level hardball! revmclaren Oct 2021 #18
Playing with Republicans isn't playing hardball. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #35
Can you link to where they have done this before? revmclaren Oct 2021 #43
Oh did I say role play? WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #53
Riiiiight.... revmclaren Oct 2021 #55
Oh please Dorian Gray Oct 2021 #37
Or take a REALLY hard look the next time. revmclaren Oct 2021 #44
I don't know what effect it's having but it is the type of stuff they always do to Democrats JI7 Oct 2021 #50
So Republicans trolled Republicans... tenderfoot Oct 2021 #19
Not A Good Decision At All Mayday_Messenger Oct 2021 #21
One quirk with me is I always read profiles. revmclaren Oct 2021 #23
Me too. WheelWalker Oct 2021 #30
I saw the lonely black guy and said to myself nah..... Historic NY Oct 2021 #22
Lotta people couldn't wait to send money to the enemies of their enemies. To dress up as Nazis. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #25
See post #18 revmclaren Oct 2021 #29
So basically conservative Republicans CC Oct 2021 #31
Hey MIRT... Any reason I can't view the posters profile or journal? revmclaren Oct 2021 #33
Guessing it's a glitch. Will inquire further. mn9driver Oct 2021 #39
Thank you. revmclaren Oct 2021 #41
Yep, glitch. Try this link: mn9driver Oct 2021 #40
Here's everyone's reminder that the Lincoln group are all republicans. FSogol Oct 2021 #32
You are right and we understand this Mayday_Messenger Oct 2021 #38
They are using standard GOP trolling methods. Yoyoyo77 Oct 2021 #34
Very few Democrats are 'low attention voters 'after the tRump revmclaren Oct 2021 #45
The Lincoln Project has heard Americans loud and clear bucolic_frolic Oct 2021 #46
really stupid move, all it does is give the racist fucks a reason to falsely claim the next Celerity Oct 2021 #47
Tucker Carlson's false flag "documentary" is also coming out this weekend Sympthsical Oct 2021 #48
that fucker Tucker is literally tossing Swan Vestas in random directions at a petrol station Celerity Oct 2021 #49
What a stupid stunt. BlackSkimmer Oct 2021 #56
Rubes will not replace us. czarjak Oct 2021 #57

Sympthsical

(8,925 posts)
1. This was a remarkably terrible idea
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 06:15 PM
Oct 2021

Because the McAulliffe campaign treated it as a genuine demonstration, and the Right immediately glommed onto the fact it was staged.

So now the question is, was this always a, "We were making a point!" thing. Or is it a, "Shit, we got found out, let's make something up!" scenario?

Because the fact they did not share with the McAulliffe people it wasn't real was certainly . . . a choice. Even their own social media person was treating it as 100% white supremacists.

What a unnecessarily damaging stunt.

Does anyone reasonably think people are going to see what just happened with this and go, "Oh, but that reminds me of Charlottesville!"

Or are they seeing dishonest campaign stunt the weekend before the election?

Guess which part of it the media discusses all weekend?

demmiblue

(36,742 posts)
3. The latter scenario, I believe:
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 06:24 PM
Oct 2021
Lincoln Project Posed as Charlottesville White Supremacists at GOP Event

...

The Lincoln Project acknowledged they were behind the stunt after VICE News identified one of the people dressed in the photo in front of Youngkin’s campaign bus as a low-level Democratic operative who has recently been working for Democratic sting operator Lauren Windsor’s The Undercurrent. Her group has repeatedly gone undercover as conservative activists to goad politicians into saying what’s really on their mind—and has also held events alongside the Lincoln Project in recent days.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/3abzaj/lincoln-project-posed-as-charlottesville-white-supremacists-at-youngkin-gop-event





I agree, dumb. And harmful.

Sympthsical

(8,925 posts)
5. I don't have the words
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 06:32 PM
Oct 2021

It sounds like they wanted people to think it was real.

Did the Right really need ammo for calling everything a false flag?

Because they just got an artillery shell.

hadEnuf

(2,149 posts)
17. The right stages false flags all the time and the perpetrators are hailed as hero's.
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 07:35 PM
Oct 2021

Just look at James O'Keefe for starters.

And Charlottesville was real.

The right can shove their fake outrage.

Caliman73

(11,690 posts)
28. That isn't the point.
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 08:11 PM
Oct 2021

Yes, the right can shove the fake outrage but guess what? The "liberal" media is also going to talk about the "dishonest" attacks from the Democratic side trying to sling mud. No one on this side gives a fuck about what right wingers think or feel, but we have to care what the rest of the people, who are JUST NOW starting to pay attention, and will see Democrats trying to smear Republicans, because that is how the "liberal" media will frame it.

gldstwmn

(4,575 posts)
42. The Lincoln Project are not Democrats.
Sat Oct 30, 2021, 12:15 AM
Oct 2021

They are former Republican strategists who don't like Trump.

Response to hadEnuf (Reply #17)

demmiblue

(36,742 posts)
4. Lauren Windsor's admission:
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 06:31 PM
Oct 2021
In my capacity as a communications consultant, I worked w @ProjectLincoln to coordinate today's Youngkin action in Charlottesville. I join them in the fight to defend our democracy from rightwing extremists and call for Glenn Youngkin to denounce Trump’s ‘very fine people.



demmiblue

(36,742 posts)
6. @TerryMcAuliffe 's campaign condemned the stunt. "What happened today is disgusting and distasteful
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 06:36 PM
Oct 2021
@TerryMcAuliffe's campaign condemned the stunt. “What happened today is disgusting and distasteful and we condemn it in the strongest terms. Those involved should immediately apologize,” Terry for Virginia Campaign Manager Chris Bolling told me.


Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Blaukraut

(5,689 posts)
9. Dumb idea, but I'm not sure it moves the needle much
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 06:44 PM
Oct 2021

Whatever is going to happen in VA on Tuesday seems to be pretty baked in by now. Some kerfuffle by McAuliffe during the debate appeared to move the needle in Trumpkin's direction and it's been going that way since then.

madville

(7,397 posts)
15. "I don't think parents should be telling schools what they should teach."
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 07:25 PM
Oct 2021

Pretty big blunder that fired up independents against him.

localroger

(3,602 posts)
10. Might be a good time to point out that LP are Republican operatives
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 06:49 PM
Oct 2021

They may be the enemy of our enemy at the moment, but we frogs should still remember that they might be scorpions who can't help themselves at times.

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

revmclaren

(2,488 posts)
27. They're getting easier and easier to spot.
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 08:10 PM
Oct 2021

I always read the posts then check their profile.

Posts like this always attract the right wingers and such.

bucolic_frolic

(42,651 posts)
12. The Lincoln Project has heard Americans loud and clear
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 07:13 PM
Oct 2021

They are playing hard ball. And Steve Schmidt is generating ideas. They are taking on the culture war, something more than getting in Trump's head. You go, TLP!!!

Dorian Gray

(13,469 posts)
36. This is not what I want
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 09:25 PM
Oct 2021

This is what I despise about trump and his loud mouths.

The Lincoln Project can go suck an egg. They're over.

revmclaren

(2,488 posts)
18. This is next level hardball!
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 07:45 PM
Oct 2021

Women dressed as handmaidens created a certain image that stuck with people, TLP just said in their imagery 'This is what you are and what you support '.

This stunt is having the exact effect it was supposed to. Making people talk about it...making the media talk about it and now with their announcement, they own the news cycle.

Some here and elsewhere seem to miss the message TLP just made or they are using their hatred of TLP to ignore it. I wonder why this is.



For me...More of this and ratchet it up even more. We Democrats need to play hardball as well.




WhiskeyGrinder

(22,145 posts)
35. Playing with Republicans isn't playing hardball.
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 09:21 PM
Oct 2021

They sure like to "role play" as white supremacists a lot.

Dorian Gray

(13,469 posts)
37. Oh please
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 09:26 PM
Oct 2021

all this will do is make people stick their fingers in their ears at the next white supremacist rally and say: It's not real. They're staged.

revmclaren

(2,488 posts)
44. Or take a REALLY hard look the next time.
Sat Oct 30, 2021, 01:58 AM
Oct 2021

That's what we need....ordinary people and the media looking at these events under a microscope.

White supremacists and fascists don't like the spot light on them. Especially politicians.

JI7

(89,172 posts)
50. I don't know what effect it's having but it is the type of stuff they always do to Democrats
Sat Oct 30, 2021, 05:49 AM
Oct 2021

but I think the voters on both sides are a bit different. Things that appeal to right wingers don't necessarily appeal to more liberal and moderate types .

This is why people who are always demanding democrats behave like Republicans make no sense .

CC

(8,039 posts)
31. So basically conservative Republicans
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 08:18 PM
Oct 2021

played a run of the mill Republicans dirty trick on a to far right for them Republican that they might want to lose with out bothering to give a heads up to the Democratic candidate because either way it is a win/win for this set of Republicans. Never trust a conservative, even if they appear to be playing on your side. They are always out for themselves.

revmclaren

(2,488 posts)
33. Hey MIRT... Any reason I can't view the posters profile or journal?
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 08:28 PM
Oct 2021

Is it because of the 2 letter member name? And is this a glitch or even allowed?

Just curious.

38. You are right and we understand this
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 10:03 PM
Oct 2021

but the Trump fascists don't. They group everyone together who don't bend the knee to Trump.

Yoyoyo77

(267 posts)
34. They are using standard GOP trolling methods.
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 08:55 PM
Oct 2021

They're all longtime GOP operatives. What they are doing to Youngkin has been done to many, many Democrat's over the years the trick here is if the stunt gets exposed you still get exposure for your point of view and at the same time low attention voters will only remember the first burst of attention that the stunt draws.

revmclaren

(2,488 posts)
45. Very few Democrats are 'low attention voters 'after the tRump
Sat Oct 30, 2021, 02:10 AM
Oct 2021

presidency.

I have found the 'low attention voters' now mostly fall into the third way, tRump cultist, and the 'both sides are the same' groups.

They are mostly lost causes at this point.

bucolic_frolic

(42,651 posts)
46. The Lincoln Project has heard Americans loud and clear
Sat Oct 30, 2021, 04:58 AM
Oct 2021

They are playing hard ball. And Steve Schmidt is generating ideas. They are taking on the culture war, something more than getting in Trump's head. You go, TLP!!

Celerity

(42,627 posts)
47. really stupid move, all it does is give the racist fucks a reason to falsely claim the next
Sat Oct 30, 2021, 05:12 AM
Oct 2021
REAL, actual white power move a QMAGAt does is a 'Dem false flag'

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