Some things I really do not want to hear from anyone:

[Atticus]

"We don't dare indict/prosecute/imprison Trump because---

--- that would result in violence all over the nation as his followers revolt!

---that would further divide our country!

---that would justify a future Republican majority's prosecution of their Democratic predecessor!"

I have much the same attitude about any of the criminals who served in his regime or participated in the January 6th coup attempt.

If we allow the threats of punks like the proud boys, oath keepers and three percenters to prevent the punishment of the Trump Traitors, we do not deserve to survive as the nation most of us were blessed to be born in.

[Brainfodder]

1. I want all these traitors executed for treason/CAH and it done in public.

Make it a festive occasion!

[Arkansas Granny]

2. Hear, hear. I'm sick and tired of placating criminals.

[dalton99a]

3. There must be consequences for treason.

[WarGamer]

4. What message would it send if an indictment is sent...

And you fail to get convictions?

Better make sure it's a 100% closed and shut case that 6 Biden voters and 6 Trump voters in the jury box can agree on the crimes.

[ret5hd]

5. All you are saying is "Don't. Don't even try."

[WarGamer]

6. No. I'm saying make sure you've got a bulletproof case that 12 people can agree on.

Taking something to trial that ends in a hung jury is worse than not taking it to trial because it will be spun as "politically based" prosecution.

You have Trump on tape saying "breach the barriers and trash the inside of the Capitol... and kill the people inside" then you've got a case that can get a conviction.

Whatcha' got?

[ret5hd]

8. You know the probability of getting 6 trump voters...

to vote to convict is 0.

You are subtly but assuredly telling us “Don’t.”

[WarGamer]

9. If you've got a real case... bring it.

But don't forget, the rally on 1.6 was 100% legal and permitted.

There were legal and permitted applications for other demonstrations that day closer to the Capitol.

Here's the fine line, how do you draw the line from legal and appropriate permitted actions to law breakers?

If you've got something... if the DoJ has something... bring it.


Because if there was *actual conspiratorial actions to ATTACK the Capitol and worse... then you've got serious crimes that reach the top.

I haven't heard any evidence of that.

[ret5hd]

10. All that knob polishing is wearing your veneer very thin.

Practically see-thru.

[WarGamer]

21. Come on, that's really uncalled for.

[ZZenith]

38. Disagree.

[RicROC]

24. Who brings zip ties, bear spray and a guillotine to a peaceful rally?

Prosecute all of them!

[Evolve Dammit]

45. or erecting gallows and hunting down Pence and others with malice aforethought. n/t

[Justice matters.]

31. Apparently, there are EMAILS. (Link: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216000243)

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216000243

[PortTack]

19. War gamer is right! The prosecutors want an air tight case..it's the right thing to do

Worst case scenario....some technicality or not enough evidence and the case dismissed, or found not guilty... it would only further embolden the right.

We do not know what is happening with the DOJ and it’s pointless to second guess.

[Justice matters.]

32. Apparently, there are EMAILS (link: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216000243)

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216000243

[Hortensis]

34. To me it also means saying no to vindictive prosecution

as a form of persecution. Inadequate evidence of criminal behavior? No wrongful arrest, no prosecution, no conviction, no imprisonment. That's the way it works.

The sincerity of rage against the accused is irrelevant.

All one has to do is sub a young black man accused of shoplifting by an evil white supremacist in wherever you imagine KKK justice rules to understand the importance of evidence that a crime has been committed well enough.

[ret5hd]

37. If you want to use a racial analogy, sounds to me he is saying...

Hey, these are white males accused of lynching a black man in 1920's Mississippi. You ain't gonna get a conviction, so get over it.

[albacore]

7. At least ALL the bullshit would come out... in discovery or trial.

If the trumpsters still don't see it, and we end up with something like him in our WH... well, we tried. We lost the country, be we tried the legal remedy.

[Hortensis]

36. Let me save you the trouble: ALL will be denied by everyone

who already deny everything. ALL will point to it as further, UNDENIABLE PROOF of persecution of conservatives by the Democrats who are busily "PURGING" them from society.

Yeah, "purging's" a favorite word now. Started at least during Obama's presidency with trains filled with conservatives shipped to undisclosed locations to the "west" and never seen again (or before for that matter).

[Evolve Dammit]

46. Their own words and actions will show intent to not certify the election and bring down the gov't.

It won't matter if they deny it or say their words were misconstrued or "I was joking" which 45 used repeatedly. They planned it, funded it, executed it and the evidence will show that in texts, emails, social media and National Archive records he is desperately trying to suppress. If there is any justice left in America, "they" will rightly be charged and prosecuted. IF.

[Hortensis]

49. Sure. Just pointing out that what's presented in a case

that fails to convict won't convince anyone who isn't already and will be twisted to support RW lies the way everything else is. In addition, unsupported charges would be turned against us, both by honest media because it'd be extremely wrong and unethical and by RW swiftboaters who would turn Schumer's stepping accidentally on a puppy's tail into a Democratic conspiracy to kill and eat puppies.

We should also remember the truly shocking figures for those who now don't know what to think even about things for which truth was clear and obvious from the beginning.

Their brains have been scrambled. Start with sowing confusion by claiming we did it of course, add false facts expanding on why, "proof" that we're lying, more proof that we're lying and can't be trusted, demands for removal from office, new false info about what "really happened," exposure of evidence of evil Democratic conspiracy to frame thousands of conservative patriots, lots of names and facts, more "evidence" to tie it into other events; repeat, repeat, repeat until they're trained to turn off permanently.

[Evolve Dammit]

53. Once the committee releases findings and requests DOJ to file indictments, We the People need to

demand that this attempt to overthrow our government be dealt with in a public venue with coverage broader than C-Span. Hit the street time again.

[Hortensis]

54. Oh, absolutely. Except for the "hit the street" part on an assumption

that Biden's administration is somehow corrupted. Speaking of brain scramblng, that's...quite an example.

We're seeing a lot of it right now. It suggests to me there's been a too successful effort to divert anger and distrust from the RW traitors onto our own leaders.

By whom? My guess is hostiles from both right and left, and likely overseas, all hitting the same themes to turn us on ourselves. Because without a whole lot of help, who but a few paranoid unfortunates would espond to anger against betrayal by thinking Biden, or any Democrat appointed by and responsible to him?

[CloudWatcher]

11. Rule of Law

I'm old enough to remember people bragging about the US being a nation where the "Rule of Law" applied.

Every single day that TFG remains unindicted is another arrow through the heart of our democracy.

[ymetca]

12. Nobody wants to make a martyr out of him

So it appears we are seeing the "death by a thousand cuts" methodology being applied. Slowly grinding him into another Nixon --a sad, pathetic character in the end.

Continued public humiliation, while not satisfying in the least, is what is happening. He'll be continually dogged by our execrable legal system for the remainder of his days, until, dying not with a bang, but a whimper, his era will subside into irrelevance.

'Cause that's what we do here, it seems.

And that might actually be the best outcome, however much it REALLY sticks in my craw.

So, stick that in your eye, Putin! Nice try, anyway. Welcome to the Land of Churn and Burn, bro. More grist for the horrible mill.

[oldsoftie]

28. Hurt his INCOME if you really want to hurt HIM.

You're right; making him a martyr only increases his strength. Making him broke; or at least failing in business, makes him a loser; something he cannot stand. And wipes away the "successful businessman" facade he's been pushing

[NullTuples]

39. He's already broke; hurt his cash flow & expose his debt ratio if you really want to hurt him

[wnylib]

42. That could take care of HIM, but

what about the rest of the fascists who will continue the mission that they hoped for from him?

[oldsoftie]

55. They fall part without him. Never got much done BEFORE him

[wnylib]

56. I'd like to believe that, but

I don't think that's what would happen. TFG is just the front man for agendas that the RW has been pushing for decades. They wouldn't stop just because they didn't have him anymore. They've made enough headway with him that they could just find another front man to continue.

[Snackshack]

13. He should have been charged.

By Mueller. Mueller knowing what he knew should have put country first and not a memo and went to his boss and told them this must be done. Instead he wrote a report and hoped congress would do his job or maybe DA’s in NY (which has turned out to be a huge fucking joke).

If he is not charged we are done. In a few years or sooner look at Desantis or Abbott or any GOP candidate for office now Mandel, Vance, Grietiens (sp?) not to mention current GOP members from Cruz to Hawley, Brooks, Greene, Boebert, Gosar, Biggs, Cawthorn, Gaetz etc etc etc. All them flout the law like it is nothing. Our Democracy will be gone if there are not consequences for doing what DT has done…and I am just talking about him trying to overthrow the government…killing 765,000 Americans is an entirely different matter that IMO he should have already been sentenced to life in prison for.

[PortTack]

20. Barr never intended on charging tfg. Mueller was thrown under the bus with no recourse

[Snackshack]

29. Mueller had recourse.

After Barr lied about what Muellers report said Mueller wrote a letter…then he hemmed and hawed about testifying in front of congress. After doing that investigation and basically saying DT obstructed justice 10x and then seeing what was what with how Barr blew off his report and lied about it. Mueller should have got some intestinal fortitude and went to congress and blown the doors off the hearing room with a frank and accurate testimony. He should have said straight up if not for the OLC memo I would have charged the President with a crime.

[Evolve Dammit]

47. I agree. He did not show the courage and voice I expected from a Bronze Star leader. There may have

been pressures we cannot even imagine, but that doesn't give me any faith we will ever have justice, much less ever see his un-redacted report.

[llmart]

27. "maybe DA's in NY (which has turned out to be a huge fucking joke)."

Someone please tell me why and how this criminal has gotten away with everything his entire life? He didn't just start being a mob boss or criminal or a grifter or whatever when he got in office. I'm almost as old as he is and I clearly remember many stories about him and his NY connections to criminals and his unlawful behavior at other times. He should have been indicted years ago for some of that.

How the hell does he do that? Didn't Cohen talk about how he "talks in code"? That can't possibly be the only way he gets away with it.

There really is no equal justice in this country and that isn't a new phenomenon.

[NullTuples]

40. Based on the "could shoot someone on 5th ave" 1973 FBI memo...

he could've been criminally investigated, charged and tried in the House the minute the House impeachment proceedings closed.

But they didn't have the stomach or spine for it and let it go.

Then the second time he was impeached, post 1/6, they caved to McConnell's request to just let everything sit for a month or so and let everything and everyone calm down.

Remember before the 2020 election when one of the motivating arguments was that if he stayed in office, the time limits on many of his crimes would run out?

Those time limits are now running out, and the Dems are letting it.

I'm so frustrated & sad. Mostly because this looking the other way, reaching across the aisle, looking forward not back is how we will lose our democracy.

[CanonRay]

14. If we don't prosecute him

we're fucked

[monkeyman1]

15. It will happen , just depends if he lives long enough to be prosecuted ?

[wnylib]

43. Same result if we prosecute without

a conviction. Prosecution without conviction would speed up the fascist takeover process. Totally agree that we are in a very critical, dangerous situation. I want to see him and his accomplices destroyed. A conviction has a chance, although it is not a guarantee. But charges without a conviction would give them even more power and support.

[SouthernDem4ever]

17. Lock him up! Let em riot and lock them up too!

[NewHendoLib]

18. how about this one - "we just need to look ahead, move on and heal"

it's as if people have no concept of human nature at all.

Crimes going unpunished just lead to more, worse crimes.

[Blue Owl]

22. K&R

[Scrivener7]

23. We'll never hear that. They will just draw it out and draw it out. And the resulting lack

of justice will be the same.

[Lonestarblue]

25. I agree. If people break the law with impunity, then we do not have a rule of law.

[Trueblue Texan]

26. I absolutely agree!

If we won't hold those accountable who inflicted the worst crimes on this nation in my lifetime, we have already lost Democracy. To hold Democracy we MUST have accountability.

[KG]

30. can't play 3D chess if you don't keep your powder dry. wrong hill to die on

[pandr32]

33. I agree!

[RVN VET71]

35. I'm very concerned the the current WH and DOJ

have come to those exact cowardly conclusions.

It is a mistake, of course, to think anything good can come out of letting crooked seditionists escape punishment for their crimes against democracy, the Constitution, and the loyal citizens of this country.

[pwb]

41. Put those who act up in jail too. Patience and

politics are the way to go with this problem. Saving the big guns stuff arrests and convictions to win the 2022 election and a couple more democratic senators.

[Evolve Dammit]

44. Amen Atticus.

[bluestarone]

48. Totally agree!

[bucolic_frolic]

50. 100% TRUE

1) Discord is coming. You can be proactive and try to control the timing and boundaries, or you can ignore it and only be reactive to what the other side does.
2) Division is not scary, it's already here. It can't be divided further, it's already in halves.
3) It would not justify future prosecutions but it might provoke them. But to remove someone you need a fair jury and you require legitimate reasons for removal. If push came to shove they'd never do it for an illegitimate reason. They would be destroying themselves.

I agree, best to get a move on and prick this boil.

[spanone]

51. K&R

[mnhtnbb]

52. The orange one should be sitting in prison

awaiting trial for incitement of sedition.

It's dangerous to the country to have him free and able to behave as he normally does. He wants to overthrow free and fair elections and have himself installed as a Putin wannabe President for life.