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A man at a local event by Turning Points USA asked, just hours after the Boise Towne Square shooting, asked Charlie Kirk when he would get to start killing political opponents.
When do we get to use the guns? The police should be able to take that guys guns.
BY BRYAN CLARK
The Idaho Statesman, OCTOBER 28, 2021
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The main speaker was Charlie Kirk, the co-founder of Turning Points. Kirks hucksterism is obvious. He is a traveling salesman at heart.
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According to the nonprofit organizations tax filings, Kirk was paid about $330,000 last year. Turning Points reported earning about $10.3 million from fundraising events, more than a quarter of its total revenue for 2020.
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The man, claiming the state had fallen into tyranny, asked Kirk: When do we get to use the guns? to applause and cheers from many in the audience.
Then, to remove any doubt that this aspiring Brownshirt wasnt being metaphorical or facetious but was, in fact, asking when to start murdering political opponents, he continued: Thats not a joke. Im not saying it like that. I mean, literally, where is the line? How many elections are they going to steal before we kill these people?
Kirk did not respond with a simple message like: Terrorism is wrong. You shouldnt do it. Instead, he cast political violence as a tactical blunder. It would play into the hand of the same hidden media-deepstate-Democrat forces trying to institute tyranny by installing Joe Biden as president, he claimed.
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Kid Berwyn
(14,891 posts)Heres young Charlie with Putins Puppet:
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Kid Berwyn
(14,891 posts)by Tommy Beer
Forbes, June 16, 2020
The FBI announced Tuesday that Steven Carrillo, the U.S. Air Force sergeant who allegedly murdered law enforcement officers in California during protests earlier this month, was associated with the right-wing Boogaloo movement, and that Carrillo chose the timing of his attacks to "take advantage of a time when this nation was mourning the killing of George Floyd."
* Last week, Carrillo was charged with murder after he ambushed Santa Cruz deputies and threw pipe bombs at police on June 6, killing Sgt. Damon Gutzwiller and wounding four other officers.
* On Tuesday, the FBI announced Tuesday that Carrillo has also been federally charged with the murder of federal security officer Pat Underwood, who was killed in a drive-by shooting on May 29 in Oakland.
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* Before he was apprehended, Carrillo reportedly scrawled the word "boog" and "I became unreasonable" in blood on the hood of a car.
* "Boog" is short for boogaloo, which, according to NBC News, is a far-right anti-government movement that began on the extremist site 4chan and aims to start a second American civil war.
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These people are organized and, thanks to the general sickness of our modern worlds information environment, conditioned and prepped for mass murder. We need to fight these fascist scum in the open and in public not in a private hearing later reviewed by the few in some quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore.
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JustAnotherGen
(31,815 posts)Vile things.
Kid Berwyn
(14,891 posts)Bastards are murderous.
Some even conspired to kidnap, try and execute the Governor.
And Trump publicly defended them.
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PortTack
(32,757 posts)Kid Berwyn
(14,891 posts)Making clear who supports the Constitution equal justice under law and who wants to kill innocent fellow Americans certainly differentiates us Democrats from todays Republicans.
Take this isshule, please:
Link to tweet
JustAnotherGen
(31,815 posts)But can't use the word Democrats - use - America Lovers
They want to murder people who love America. The right is very good at wrapping their hatred in Patriotism . . .
Bread and butter - but Tribalism inspiring language needs to get pulled together now. Ultimately - we can't drive campaign messaging -
But this one is one I would get to your democratic party (local quick). That gets it into the Gubernatorial, House, and Senate Candidate Committees.
onethatcares
(16,166 posts)was the jackass on the left ever in uniform?
Straw Man
(6,623 posts)... about why Democrats, liberals, and progressives shouldn't own guns.
Kid Berwyn
(14,891 posts)The thing is, people shouldnt have to own a gun to be safe in their own country.
Karma13612
(4,552 posts)I followed the link and read the story in the Newspaper.
I noticed that comments were disabled for the article. Hah!!!
This is really troubling. And I was sad to see the actual shooter mentioned in the article was a felon who should not have had guns. And he goes and kills two and wounds another 4.
This is just too much.
It is also troubling, as the article and the OP states, that Kirk did not denounce the idea of starting to kill political opponents. He only implied that things are not quite bad enough yet to take that action. This is playing with fire. At some point, the nutjobs arent going to ask if its time yet. They will decide for themselves and start on a killing spree. Kirk, and other influencers dont realize that they are, in fact, influencing people. But when things get out of hand, they wont be able to put the bullet back in the chamber.
Yes, and we cant forget about Michigan. That was awful.
Kid Berwyn
(14,891 posts)The Nazification of the Republican Party
By Loretta J. Ross
Counterpunch, Jan. 20, 2021
After World War II, the Nazis who helped Hitler rise to power and murder millions of people, including at least 6 million Jews, were put on trial to send a warning to the world. Not all of them faced a judicial process, but enough were not protected by their high status, official offices, or claims of innocence and patriotism. Power through violence was the only language they spokenot justice, not freedomand they were held accountable. These criminals faced a tribunal at Nürnberg (Nuremberg) so momentous that the disgraced word Nazi is forever attached to those who participated in and enabled their horrific crimes.
After the war, Germany banned Nazi flags and neo-Nazis. In fact, the only way that Nazi paraphernalia got into Germany was through smuggling from other countries such as the United States, like from Nazi propagandist Gerhard Lauck in Nebraska, the man called the Farm Belt Führer who served four years in a German prison for distributing banned pro-Nazi materials throughout Europe.
I know this because I teach a course on White Supremacy at Smith College that focuses on anti-Semitism, anti-Black racism, and the many intersecting components of white supremacist ideology. After more than 30 years of organizing and teaching about fascism as a Black feminist activist and academic, I know the destructive influence of these noxious ideas, and I teach young people how to interpret and resist them.
Global contempt for the word Nazi is a lesson for us today in the United States after the attempted criminal coup at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021. Anyone identified as sympathetic, supportive, or financing these seditious acts that attempted to deny the peaceful transfer of power in our country should be treated with the same public condemnation that the Nazis received after World War II. This includes Nazified people in Congress, in the media, in universities, in regular jobs, and throughout society because fascism is not the fevered dream of one delusional man. Trump is a white supremacist; that he is also a deranged narcissist is really incidental.
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https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/01/20/the-nazification-of-the-republican-party/
The hobnailed boot is upon us. Way past time to fight back.
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Midnight Writer
(21,751 posts)Folks who had no intention of "using our guns" now have the thought planted in their heads that "Hmm. Maybe we should use our guns. Other people are saying it".
Kid Berwyn
(14,891 posts)stochastic terrorism [ stuh-kas-tik ter-uh-riz-uhm ] noun the public demonization of a person or group resulting in the incitement of a violent act, which is statistically probable but whose specifics cannot be predicted:
The lone-wolf attack was apparently influenced by the rhetoric of stochastic terrorism.
Proud Boys
stand back and stand by, said Putindent Drumpf, who added the next day, I dont know who the Proud Boys are.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54359993
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maxrandb
(15,323 posts)"Soon my friend...very soon"
Kid Berwyn
(14,891 posts)MAGA Gun Church That Worships With AR-15s Has Bought a Giant Mountain Property in Tennessee
Rod of Iron Ministries has been on a property-buying spree and says it plans to build a training center and spiritual retreat.
by Tess Owen
Vice, October 12, 2021
The MAGA-loving religious sect that worships with AR-15s has purchased a 130-acre property on a mountain in eastern Tennessee to serve as a training center and holy ground for its devoted, gun-toting followers, VICE News has learned.
The latest property acquisition is more evidence that Pastor Hyung Jin Sean Moon, a fervent conspiracy theorist and son of an accused cult leader, is determined to expand his reach into the American Heartland.
Moons congregation, Rod of Iron Ministries, also known as The World Peace and Unification Sanctuary, is a gun-centric spinoff of the much larger Unification Church, founded by his late father, the Rev. Sun Myung Moon, a self-proclaimed messiah and businessman whose followers were famously known as Moonies. The younger Moon, who also goes by The Second King, split from the main church amid a dramatic falling-out with his mother about who, between the two of them, was the rightful heir to his fathers empire.
In 2017, Moon founded his church in Newfoundland, Pennsylvania, siphoning off hundreds of followers from the main congregation who were willing to make the seemingly radical leap of incorporating high-powered rifles into their spiritual life. He did this with the backing of his older brother, Kook-jin Justin Moon, the CEO of Kahr Arms, a gun manufacturing company headquartered nearby. In recent years, hes made headlines for recreating the mass wedding ceremonies that his fathers church was famous for, with the addition of AR-15s.
Sean and Justin Moon, plus other senior church officials, were also at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, and posted videos of themselves emerging from clouds of tear gas. Sean has also courted fringe MAGA-world figures; this weekend, the annual Rod of Iron Freedom Fest at the Kahr Arms headquarters in Greeley will include speakers such as former Trump adviser Steve Bannon, exNRA spokesperson Dana Loesch, far-right Proud Boy ally Joey Gibson, and GOP congressional candidate Teddy Daniels.
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https://www.vice.com/en/article/4avkdw/rod-of-iron-ministries-purchases-property-in-tennessee
Many good people stand to get hurt by these psychopaths.