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Kid Berwyn

(14,891 posts)
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 05:01 PM Nov 2021

"When do we get to use the guns?"

A man at a local event by Turning Points USA asked, just hours after the Boise Towne Square shooting, asked Charlie Kirk when he would get to start killing political opponents.



‘When do we get to use the guns?’ The police should be able to take that guy’s guns.

BY BRYAN CLARK
The Idaho Statesman, OCTOBER 28, 2021

Excerpt…

The main speaker was Charlie Kirk, the co-founder of Turning Points. Kirk’s hucksterism is obvious. He is a traveling salesman at heart.

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According to the nonprofit organization’s tax filings, Kirk was paid about $330,000 last year. Turning Points reported earning about $10.3 million from fundraising events, more than a quarter of its total revenue for 2020.

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The man, claiming the state had fallen into tyranny, asked Kirk: “When do we get to use the guns?” — to applause and cheers from many in the audience.

Then, to remove any doubt that this aspiring Brownshirt wasn’t being metaphorical or facetious but was, in fact, asking when to start murdering political opponents, he continued: “That’s not a joke. I’m not saying it like that. I mean, literally, where is the line? How many elections are they going to steal before we kill these people?”

Kirk did not respond with a simple message like: “Terrorism is wrong. You shouldn’t do it.” Instead, he cast political violence as a tactical blunder. It would play into the hand of the same hidden media-deepstate-Democrat forces trying to institute tyranny by installing Joe Biden as president, he claimed.

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https://www.idahostatesman.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/article255354321.html

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"When do we get to use the guns?" (Original Post) Kid Berwyn Nov 2021 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #1
The guy on the right asked the question. Kid Berwyn Nov 2021 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #15
There are various, sick players who cosplay their opposition to great effect. Kid Berwyn Nov 2021 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #17
They're all over New Jersey too JustAnotherGen Nov 2021 #2
They got Michigan to open up early -- skyrocketing the COVID. Kid Berwyn Nov 2021 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #19
THIS should be one of our campaign talking points! They want to murder democrats PortTack Nov 2021 #4
Absolutely. Kid Berwyn Nov 2021 #6
Tribalism JustAnotherGen Nov 2021 #7
agreed and onethatcares Nov 2021 #8
Tell me again ... Straw Man Nov 2021 #9
Good point! Kid Berwyn Nov 2021 #11
Thanks! Karma13612 Nov 2021 #10
They already let the genie out of the bottle on purpose. Kid Berwyn Nov 2021 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #20
This is an example of "seed planting". More psy-ops techniques. Midnight Writer Nov 2021 #12
Stochastic Terrorism Kid Berwyn Nov 2021 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #21
The Virginia 2021 electorate says; maxrandb Nov 2021 #18
Channeling Lord Kitchener and Rev Moon Kid Berwyn Nov 2021 #22

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Kid Berwyn

(14,891 posts)
16. There are various, sick players who cosplay their opposition to great effect.
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 07:02 PM
Nov 2021
Accused Killer Of California Cops Was Associated With Right-Wing 'Boogaloo Movement'

by Tommy Beer
Forbes, June 16, 2020

The FBI announced Tuesday that Steven Carrillo, the U.S. Air Force sergeant who allegedly murdered law enforcement officers in California during protests earlier this month, was associated with the right-wing Boogaloo movement, and that Carrillo chose the timing of his attacks to "take advantage of a time when this nation was mourning the killing of George Floyd."

* Last week, Carrillo was charged with murder after he ambushed Santa Cruz deputies and threw pipe bombs at police on June 6, killing Sgt. Damon Gutzwiller and wounding four other officers.

* On Tuesday, the FBI announced Tuesday that Carrillo has also been federally charged with the murder of federal security officer Pat Underwood, who was killed in a drive-by shooting on May 29 in Oakland.

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* Before he was apprehended, Carrillo reportedly scrawled the word "boog" and "I became unreasonable" in blood on the hood of a car.

* "Boog" is short for boogaloo, which, according to NBC News, is a far-right anti-government movement that began on the extremist site 4chan and aims to start a second American civil war.

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/06/16/accused-killer-of-california-cops-was-associated-with-right-wing-boogaloo-movement/?sh=26f9a76559bd

These people are organized and, thanks to the general sickness of our modern world’s information environment, conditioned and prepped for mass murder. We need to fight these fascist scum in the open and in public — not in a private hearing later reviewed by the few in some quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore.

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Kid Berwyn

(14,891 posts)
5. They got Michigan to open up early -- skyrocketing the COVID.
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 05:21 PM
Nov 2021

Bastards are murderous.



Some even conspired to kidnap, “try” and “execute” the Governor.

And Trump publicly defended them.

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Kid Berwyn

(14,891 posts)
6. Absolutely.
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 05:28 PM
Nov 2021

Making clear who supports the Constitution — equal justice under law — and who wants to kill innocent fellow Americans certainly differentiates us Democrats from today’s Republicans.

Take this isshule, please:



JustAnotherGen

(31,815 posts)
7. Tribalism
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 05:36 PM
Nov 2021

But can't use the word Democrats - use - America Lovers

They want to murder people who love America. The right is very good at wrapping their hatred in Patriotism . . .

Bread and butter - but Tribalism inspiring language needs to get pulled together now. Ultimately - we can't drive campaign messaging -

But this one is one I would get to your democratic party (local quick). That gets it into the Gubernatorial, House, and Senate Candidate Committees.

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
10. Thanks!
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 06:15 PM
Nov 2021

I followed the link and read the story in the Newspaper.

I noticed that comments were disabled for the article. Hah!!!

This is really troubling. And I was sad to see the actual shooter mentioned in the article was a felon who should not have had guns. And he goes and kills two and wounds another 4.

This is just too much.

It is also troubling, as the article and the OP states, that Kirk did not denounce the idea of starting to kill political opponents. He only implied that things are not quite bad enough “yet” to take that action. This is playing with fire. At some point, the nutjobs aren’t going to ask if it’s “time” yet. They will decide for themselves and start on a killing spree. Kirk, and other influencers don’t realize that they are, in fact, influencing people. But when things get out of hand, they won’t be able to put the bullet back in the chamber.

Yes, and we can’t forget about Michigan. That was awful.


Kid Berwyn

(14,891 posts)
13. They already let the genie out of the bottle on purpose.
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 06:32 PM
Nov 2021


The Nazification of the Republican Party

By Loretta J. Ross
Counterpunch, Jan. 20, 2021

After World War II, the Nazis who helped Hitler rise to power and murder millions of people, including at least 6 million Jews, were put on trial to send a warning to the world. Not all of them faced a judicial process, but enough were not protected by their high status, official offices, or claims of “innocence” and “patriotism.” Power through violence was the only language they spoke—not justice, not freedom—and they were held accountable. These criminals faced a tribunal at Nürnberg (Nuremberg) so momentous that the disgraced word “Nazi” is forever attached to those who participated in and enabled their horrific crimes.

After the war, Germany banned Nazi flags and neo-Nazis. In fact, the only way that Nazi paraphernalia got into Germany was through smuggling from other countries such as the United States, like from Nazi propagandist Gerhard Lauck in Nebraska, the man called the “Farm Belt Führer” who served four years in a German prison for distributing banned pro-Nazi materials throughout Europe.

I know this because I teach a course on White Supremacy at Smith College that focuses on anti-Semitism, anti-Black racism, and the many intersecting components of white supremacist ideology. After more than 30 years of organizing and teaching about fascism as a Black feminist activist and academic, I know the destructive influence of these noxious ideas, and I teach young people how to interpret and resist them.

Global contempt for the word “Nazi” is a lesson for us today in the United States after the attempted criminal coup at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021. Anyone identified as sympathetic, supportive, or financing these seditious acts that attempted to deny the peaceful transfer of power in our country should be treated with the same public condemnation that the Nazis received after World War II. This includes Nazified people in Congress, in the media, in universities, in regular jobs, and throughout society because fascism is not the fevered dream of one delusional man. Trump is a white supremacist; that he is also a deranged narcissist is really incidental.

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https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/01/20/the-nazification-of-the-republican-party/

The hobnailed boot is upon us. Way past time to fight back.

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Midnight Writer

(21,751 posts)
12. This is an example of "seed planting". More psy-ops techniques.
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 06:28 PM
Nov 2021

Folks who had no intention of "using our guns" now have the thought planted in their heads that "Hmm. Maybe we should use our guns. Other people are saying it".

Kid Berwyn

(14,891 posts)
14. Stochastic Terrorism
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 06:36 PM
Nov 2021

stochastic terrorism [ stuh-kas-tik ter-uh-riz-uhm ] noun — the public demonization of a person or group resulting in the incitement of a violent act, which is statistically probable but whose specifics cannot be predicted:

The lone-wolf attack was apparently influenced by the rhetoric of stochastic terrorism.

“Proud Boys…stand back and stand by,” said Putindent Drumpf, who added the next day, “I don’t know who the Proud Boys are.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54359993

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Kid Berwyn

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22. Channeling Lord Kitchener and Rev Moon
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 09:57 PM
Nov 2021


MAGA Gun Church That Worships With AR-15s Has Bought a Giant Mountain Property in Tennessee

Rod of Iron Ministries has been on a property-buying spree and says it plans to build a training center and spiritual retreat.


by Tess Owen
Vice, October 12, 2021

The MAGA-loving religious sect that worships with AR-15s has purchased a 130-acre property on a mountain in eastern Tennessee to serve as a “training center” and holy ground for its devoted, gun-toting followers, VICE News has learned.

The latest property acquisition is more evidence that Pastor Hyung Jin “Sean” Moon, a fervent conspiracy theorist and son of an accused cult leader, is determined to expand his reach into the American Heartland.

Moon’s congregation, Rod of Iron Ministries, also known as The World Peace and Unification Sanctuary, is a gun-centric spinoff of the much larger Unification Church, founded by his late father, the Rev. Sun Myung Moon, a self-proclaimed messiah and businessman whose followers were famously known as “Moonies.” The younger Moon, who also goes by “The Second King,” split from the main church amid a dramatic falling-out with his mother about who, between the two of them, was the rightful heir to his father’s empire.

In 2017, Moon founded his church in Newfoundland, Pennsylvania, siphoning off hundreds of followers from the main congregation who were willing to make the seemingly radical leap of incorporating high-powered rifles into their spiritual life. He did this with the backing of his older brother, Kook-jin “Justin” Moon, the CEO of Kahr Arms, a gun manufacturing company headquartered nearby. In recent years, he’s made headlines for recreating the mass wedding ceremonies that his father’s church was famous for, with the addition of AR-15s.

Sean and Justin Moon, plus other senior church officials, were also at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, and posted videos of themselves emerging from clouds of tear gas. Sean has also courted fringe MAGA-world figures; this weekend, the annual Rod of Iron Freedom Fest at the Kahr Arms headquarters in Greeley will include speakers such as former Trump adviser Steve Bannon, ex–NRA spokesperson Dana Loesch, far-right Proud Boy ally Joey Gibson, and GOP congressional candidate Teddy Daniels.

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https://www.vice.com/en/article/4avkdw/rod-of-iron-ministries-purchases-property-in-tennessee

Many good people stand to get hurt by these psychopaths.

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