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Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 07:14 AM Nov 2021

Arizona voters baffled by Kyrsten Sinema: 'she betrayed us'

Allie Young believed in Kyrsten Sinema. Her vote helped elect the seemingly progressive Democrat from Arizona to the Senate in 2018. But she wonders what happened to Sinema when she got to Washington.

Young, a voting rights activist and citizen of the Diné, or Navajo Nation, is appalled by Sinema’s refusal to reform or abolish the filibuster.

“She has betrayed her constituents,” Young, 31, said by phone this week. “The sort of inaction that she’s taking right now is an action and it’s making the BIPOC community, especially in Arizona, distrust her more and more as the days go by.”
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“Her campaign was something that attracted us because back then she seemed to be a little more progressive than she is now. That’s the part that we’re all having trouble understanding. What happened?”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/nov/06/kyrsten-sinema-filibuster-betrayed-arizona-voting-rights


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Arizona voters baffled by Kyrsten Sinema: 'she betrayed us' (Original Post) Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 2021 OP
Sinema got caught up in the aura of power. ProudMNDemocrat Nov 2021 #1
Don't forget the money... Septua Nov 2021 #24
She probably sold her constituents down the river Dave says Nov 2021 #37
I'm willing to bet she had a preexisting agenda. live love laugh Nov 2021 #40
"Kyrsten Sinema: 'she betrayed us'"... follow the money...nt mitch96 Nov 2021 #2
She got caught up in the Joe Manchin syndrome! BlueJac Nov 2021 #3
Sinema is all about Sinema.... paleotn Nov 2021 #4
I spoke with my friend in Phoenix mountain grammy Nov 2021 #5
It's hard being a Democratic party in a red or leaning-red state. jaxexpat Nov 2021 #9
Sinema isn't up for re-election until 2024, but Dems should be searching for a replacement. Lonestarblue Nov 2021 #6
It's become obvious that sinema is an opportunist Javaman Nov 2021 #7
She did not run for Senate as a progressive AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2021 #14
Then the progressives that supported her are fools.nt Javaman Nov 2021 #33
Choice between Sinema and McSally AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2021 #34
When caught between a rock and a hard place, walk away. Javaman Nov 2021 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2021 #36
"....a little more Progressive than she is now." HELLO, NoMoreRepugs Nov 2021 #8
The BIF isn't progress of any kind? AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2021 #21
Taking a machete to a tree to yield a stick isn't progress to me. NoMoreRepugs Nov 2021 #26
+1 leftstreet Nov 2021 #38
Kyrsten Sinema is betraying the Joe Biden agenda, period. UCmeNdc Nov 2021 #10
What happened? lark Nov 2021 #11
She ripped off her mask and showed the real person. NCjack Nov 2021 #12
Truth! lark Nov 2021 #13
After a Republican appointed Justice switched sides... LiberatedUSA Nov 2021 #20
Bleak view. lark Nov 2021 #25
Keep in mind... LiberatedUSA Nov 2021 #29
She's a one-term Senator, unless they recall her before the term is up FakeNoose Nov 2021 #15
Alas... ChazInAz Nov 2021 #17
While AZ Has A Recall... GB_RN Nov 2021 #23
I'm only posting here because DUCK! And I love lil' bebe ducks. That is all. n/t Decoy of Fenris Nov 2021 #31
I voted for her as the Dem on the ticket. UGH! panader0 Nov 2021 #16
What happened?"......Dark Money turbinetree Nov 2021 #18
Remember Green Party candidate Jill Stein who had dinner with Putin? Just saying. Joinfortmill Nov 2021 #19
I am not voting for her again, period. Nt LittleGirl Nov 2021 #22
She gets her money from Amway tenderfoot Nov 2021 #27
wolf in sheeps clothing llashram Nov 2021 #28
We need more of this. Baitball Blogger Nov 2021 #30
K&R UTUSN Nov 2021 #32
what happened is she wanted to get rich, so she told Arizona whatever it wanted to hear Takket Nov 2021 #39

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,783 posts)
1. Sinema got caught up in the aura of power.
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 07:57 AM
Nov 2021

The title of Senator before her name makes her feel as though she does not have to be made to be accountable to the people. The people are noticing. Nor do they like it when she avoids them.

Septua

(2,254 posts)
24. Don't forget the money...
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 10:01 AM
Nov 2021

US Senators and Representatives start out at $174,000 salary. And the ones with a "title" make even more. That puts them in the top 10% wage rank...which in itself, is significant motivation to run for elected office, seek re-election to stay in office and explains why they never consider term limits, put 'self over country' and become career politicians.

We end up with a bunch of faux elitists, who start thinking they're worth $175K a year, running the country, mostly concerned with the next election cycle.

And picture the MTG, Gaetz, Gomert, Jordan, McCarthy, McConnell, Nunes types looking for a job in the private sector. Who the hell would hire 'em, for any amount of salary?

Dave says

(4,616 posts)
37. She probably sold her constituents down the river
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 04:52 PM
Nov 2021

To illustrate how lucrative a job in congress can be, Republican Rick Lazio, the infamous last and deciding vote in Bill Clinton’s impeachment, was rewarded with high paying Wall Street jobs when he left office. For example, in 2009 he made over $1,500,000.

https://blog.timesunion.com/capitol/archives/22778/lazio-bonus-reflected-the-value-that-i-added-to-the-firm/

Nice work, if you can get it.

live love laugh

(13,100 posts)
40. I'm willing to bet she had a preexisting agenda.
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 03:28 AM
Nov 2021

It’s implausible that she’d do such a drastic about face so quickly.

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
5. I spoke with my friend in Phoenix
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 08:39 AM
Nov 2021

she and her mom voted for Sinema not because they liked or trusted her that much. It was more of a vote against McSally who they detested.

They happily voted FOR Mark Kelly, and believe it was his candidacy that won the state for Biden.

jaxexpat

(6,818 posts)
9. It's hard being a Democratic party in a red or leaning-red state.
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 09:02 AM
Nov 2021

It makes the choosing of candidates both more important and more difficult. When the necessary, ultimate and primary goal is to defeat the Republican candidate some things get confused. Funding, name recognition, communication skills, etc. - all these things are integral to the task.

Through that lens, Sinema was a godsend to Arizona Democrats because otherwise McSally would be GOP senator #51. That was hard to even think, much less type out loud.

Javaman

(62,517 posts)
7. It's become obvious that sinema is an opportunist
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 08:48 AM
Nov 2021

She ran on being a progressive at at time when that was to her advantage. Then she switched to where the money is and again that was to her advantage. She cares not about her constituents. She is only in this for the narcissism, money and the power.

She is a sociopath

Please read my sig line

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,008 posts)
14. She did not run for Senate as a progressive
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 09:23 AM
Nov 2021

Her whole message was she was an “ independent voice” and barely mentioned being a Democrat.

Javaman

(62,517 posts)
35. When caught between a rock and a hard place, walk away.
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 04:37 PM
Nov 2021

I couldn’t live with myself voting for either

Response to Javaman (Reply #35)

NoMoreRepugs

(9,412 posts)
8. "....a little more Progressive than she is now." HELLO,
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 08:52 AM
Nov 2021

don’t be kind - she’s anti-progress of any kind other than Corporate enrichment and entitlement.

lark

(23,091 posts)
11. What happened?
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 09:16 AM
Nov 2021

She cashed in with the right wing donor class. Arizona got totally taken. Seems like she got enough that she can leave with no qualms, she knows the people hate this but it's all about her pocketbook now & nothing about the state or the working class/poor.

lark

(23,091 posts)
13. Truth!
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 09:23 AM
Nov 2021

I feel sorry for the good folks of AZ who thought they were doing a good thing voting for her when she's secretly just about the grift - like her repug donors.

 

LiberatedUSA

(1,666 posts)
20. After a Republican appointed Justice switched sides...
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 09:47 AM
Nov 2021

…I have always wondered what would happen if someone had the fortitude to lie and be on the opposing side just to get to a place where they can switch sides and do some real damage.

Maybe right now there is an individual working their way to a chance to be high in government, but they are on the side they are against; waiting for their moment to turncoat and cast that deciding vote.

lark

(23,091 posts)
25. Bleak view.
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 10:03 AM
Nov 2021

Not that it could't be true, but oh so sad that it is what seems to have happened and how many more turncoats are out there?

 

LiberatedUSA

(1,666 posts)
29. Keep in mind...
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 11:00 AM
Nov 2021

…that to pull something like that off, as in an intentional desire to switch sides years down the road, you have to be a highly functioning sociopath with structure and control.

If you want more guns, you’d have to get elected on gun control and work your way up to an F NRA ranking, then do the rope-a-dope. Or pick any issue. Not just any fuck with a grudge and the idea can do that.

GB_RN

(2,347 posts)
23. While AZ Has A Recall...
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 09:51 AM
Nov 2021

It can only apply to state officials. There is no mechanism to recall Federal officials as there's nothing in the US Constitution for it. Even if they tried it on her, she'd win a lawsuit to kill it.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
16. I voted for her as the Dem on the ticket. UGH!
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 09:35 AM
Nov 2021

I sent some emails, at first to urge her votes on things, but later to tell her off and
assure her that I would never vote for her again.

Baitball Blogger

(46,700 posts)
30. We need more of this.
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 11:31 AM
Nov 2021

There should be an uproar of anger and backlash against Sinema from the people of Arizona, especially if she campaigned on progressive issues.

Takket

(21,560 posts)
39. what happened is she wanted to get rich, so she told Arizona whatever it wanted to hear
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 04:55 PM
Nov 2021

in the anti-drumpf environment, to get elected. Now she has her wish, lining her pockets with donor money to make sure she takes McConnell's side in squelching the Democrats agenda. it is a damn shame there is no recall system in place for a Senator.

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