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About the CNN hit job on VP Harris... (Original Post) Mme. Defarge Nov 2021 OP
CNN has really been going hard after Biden and his administration the last few months Poiuyt Nov 2021 #1
Seems to me that I remember a connection wnylib Nov 2021 #3
It's not just CNN. GoCubsGo Nov 2021 #23
K & R & Retweeted! SunSeeker Nov 2021 #2
I have no problem with VP Harris.....but, Hulk Nov 2021 #4
Bingo ! Nt jaysunb Nov 2021 #5
It doesn't help that the misogynist, sexist media has a problem with strong women, and they go JohnSJ Nov 2021 #8
THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 LenaBaby61 Nov 2021 #16
I agree. Haggard Celine Nov 2021 #9
HRC wasn't Toxic . The problem is Misogyny and in the case of Harris RAcism also JI7 Nov 2021 #11
+1 betsuni Nov 2021 #12
Post removed Post removed Nov 2021 #29
This is bs. She was competitive against Obama. And she JI7 Nov 2021 #30
Great, she was competitive against a comparable nobody. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2021 #32
First of all she barely lost ...and won the popular vote by millions...truth is she was stabbed in Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #33
There were many people running in 2008 JI7 Nov 2021 #34
Obama was relatively unknown in 2008 Polybius Nov 2021 #36
Obama was a great candidate and people were calling him to run JI7 Nov 2021 #37
Yeah, Obama was a generational candidate Polybius Nov 2021 #38
100% agree. nt oasis Nov 2021 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author Polybius Nov 2021 #39
Hillary wasn't toxic, she had very high approval ratings and a record for most admired woman. betsuni Nov 2021 #14
THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 LenaBaby61 Nov 2021 #17
+1 uponit7771 Nov 2021 #19
And she won. By a lot. displacedtexan Nov 2021 #24
Clinton's favorability ratings August 2016. jalan48 Nov 2021 #31
Trump can credit his 2016 victory, in part, to rabid anti-Hillary "progressives". oasis Nov 2021 #43
. MrsCoffee Nov 2021 #15
Exactly msfiddlestix Nov 2021 #26
I unfriended CNN after those articles. No more. leftyladyfrommo Nov 2021 #6
F**K CNN. Politico started this bullshit yesterday. They did it with Hillary in 2016, saying how JohnSJ Nov 2021 #7
Now you know why Charles Pierce dubbed Politico "Tiger Beat on the Potomac." PSPS Nov 2021 #10
THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 LenaBaby61 Nov 2021 #18
Anyone who has a problem with CNN I believe should do two things Sherman A1 Nov 2021 #13
I did that with both MSNBC and CNN...both have been awful Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #35
Don't know Sherman A1 Nov 2021 #42
The fact of the matter is that PCIntern Nov 2021 #20
Screw cnn. spanone Nov 2021 #21
I find it funny how many people pinkstarburst Nov 2021 #22
People here are trashing Beto? !! msfiddlestix Nov 2021 #27
It is because of our withdrawal from Afghanistan. mn9driver Nov 2021 #25
Does no-one remember the testimony of the Facebook engineer who Steelrolled Nov 2021 #28
Vice Presidents aren't expected to do much of anything lees1975 Nov 2021 #41

wnylib

(21,146 posts)
3. Seems to me that I remember a connection
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 03:02 AM
Nov 2021

between CNN and Bush II in 2000. A relative in management or something similar.

CNN and other corporate media are anti Trump but pro establishment Republicans. They are setting the stage for an establishment RW candidate to win in 2004.

We really need our own media.

GoCubsGo

(32,061 posts)
23. It's not just CNN.
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 09:14 AM
Nov 2021

All the networks have been awful. The infrastructure bill signing didn't even make the top 5 headlines on this morning's " QVC With a Smattering of News"...I mean "Good Morning America." It barely got a mention. Meanwhile, they spent several minutes yammering hysterically about supply chain issues, and which big box chain stores had what popular Xmas list items in stock. Even the Belarus situation got higher billing and more air time. They rarely even mention Kamala Harris and what she's been up to. Thank goodness PBS carries the BBC, DW and NHK, so I get some actual news.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
4. I have no problem with VP Harris.....but,
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 03:10 AM
Nov 2021

If you think HRC was toxic with the voters....you haven't seen anything yet.

She is a diamond!...and she is one ambitious, smart, good VP; but she will NEVER win the popularity contest with the "American voter". I'm NOT saying the American voter is at all "smart". It is, to so many, nothing more than a popularity contest for P and VP.

JohnSJ

(91,950 posts)
8. It doesn't help that the misogynist, sexist media has a problem with strong women, and they go
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 03:35 AM
Nov 2021

out of their way to show it.

what they did to Hillary in 2016, with their lies and misrepresentation was a disgrace.

Haggard Celine

(16,820 posts)
9. I agree.
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 03:45 AM
Nov 2021

I don't see her winning in a general election. As you say, she'll never be able to win the popularity contest. Th RW despise her and will stop at nothing to trash her and harp on everything she's ever thought about doing wrong. She probably would make a good President, but it's just not in the cards.

JI7

(89,174 posts)
11. HRC wasn't Toxic . The problem is Misogyny and in the case of Harris RAcism also
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 06:31 AM
Nov 2021

At least call out that the problem is a bigoted population along with shitty media that justifies white bigotry .

Response to JI7 (Reply #11)

JI7

(89,174 posts)
30. This is bs. She was competitive against Obama. And she
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 12:56 PM
Nov 2021

was popular after she served as Sec of state.

It was the right wing attacks and the media spreading that shit which hurt her.

If your family preferred Trump then they don't give a shit about women's rights and civil rights.

 

Decoy of Fenris

(1,954 posts)
32. Great, she was competitive against a comparable nobody.
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 01:30 PM
Nov 2021

Granted, that "Nobody" turned out to be one of the finest and most progressive presidents in a generation or two (or three), but our "Most Qualified Whateverthefuck" lost to a one-term no-namer Senator when she was at the top of her game, then had a fair (albeit unrealistic) chance at losing to someone just a few ticks rightwards of an actual communist. And then, AND THEN! She completely botched the campaign and foisted Trump on all of us by refusing to give a shit about anyone or anything outside of her political strongholds.

That's NOT the mark of a popular or effective (or electable, obviously) politician. Especially when the people who fought so hard and for so long to generously permit her the right to run for office abandoned her because she was just THAT unpopular. Immigrants. Women. The poor. Non-black POCs. The middle class. The very people that should have been in the Dem pocket simply... weren't. And no, you can't just blame that on "TehMedia (TM)", nor Comey, nor Russia, nor whatever else of the dozen asinine boogiemen people have conjured. For something that universal, not only within the country but without it, there must be something said for a candidate simply bringing too much baggage to the table.

Demsrule86

(68,348 posts)
33. First of all she barely lost ...and won the popular vote by millions...truth is she was stabbed in
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 02:19 PM
Nov 2021

the back by those who claim to be progressive like the Greens...(Get Republicans elected every November) and others like Sarandon, Turner ETC who should have known better. Hate, hate them forever. When we lose Roe and possibly our Republic it is because of them.

JI7

(89,174 posts)
34. There were many people running in 2008
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 02:20 PM
Nov 2021

Clinton and Obama did the best but you dismiss it all be calling Obama a nobody. Joe Biden also lost to Obama.

Of course I can blame the media along with Russian attack on the election and many other things becsuse those were the reality of the campaign.

Not going to ignore the reality of the campaign just becsuse you need to justify your family voting for a trashy racist, misogynist scumbag.

Polybius

(15,238 posts)
36. Obama was relatively unknown in 2008
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 02:28 PM
Nov 2021

Hillary was the heavy, heavy favorite. She should have won that primary easily.

JI7

(89,174 posts)
37. Obama was a great candidate and people were calling him to run
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 02:33 PM
Nov 2021

since 2004. And there were many other candidates that ran in 2008 including Joe Biden who did not do well at all.

Hillary on the other hand was able to be competitive against one of the greatest candidates in US history.

Polybius

(15,238 posts)
38. Yeah, Obama was a generational candidate
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 02:38 PM
Nov 2021

My plan in 2008 was 8 years of Hillary and then 8 years of Obama. 2008 was a Blue Wave/anti-Bush year. She would have beaten McCain just like Obama. The only thing that worried me is if she would win re-election in 2012. But I'm confidant we would have gotten 8 years of Obama somewhere.

Response to JI7 (Reply #37)

betsuni

(25,128 posts)
14. Hillary wasn't toxic, she had very high approval ratings and a record for most admired woman.
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 07:01 AM
Nov 2021

It was idiots repeating corrupt, Goldman Sachs, Wall Street, emails, Benghazi, neoliberal, status quo, corporatist, racist, Goldwater Girl, Third Way, centrist, establishment, coastal elites, DNC rigged elections, lesser of two evils, conservadem, vote my conscience, incrementalism is evil, complacent, wealthy donor class, send a message, Republicans like progressive ideas it's Democrats who are the true roadblock to progress, milquetoast, Democrats hate the working/middle classes and all the other bullshit about being untrustworthy and unlikeable. They made a monster out of her. Not only Republicans. She wasn't toxic until she ran for president and it was all fiction.

jalan48

(13,797 posts)
31. Clinton's favorability ratings August 2016.
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 01:18 PM
Nov 2021

A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows 41 percent of Americans have a favorable impression of Clinton, while 56 percent have an unfavorable one.

That's the worst image Clinton has had in her quarter-century in national public life. Her previous low favorable rating this year was in July, when it was 42 percent, lower than any mark in historical Post-ABC polls except a few points in the 1990s when a large share of the public had no opinion of her. Her previous high for unfavorable views was in June, when 55 percent disliked Clinton.

Trump, of course, has long been the more unpopular of the two presidential nominees, and he remains so; 35 percent of Americans have a favorable impression of him, compared to 63 percent unfavorable.

But if you look just at registered voters, the new poll actually shows Clinton's image is about as bad as Trump's, with 38 percent having a favorable impression and 59 percent unfavorable, compared to a 37/60 split for Trump

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/08/31/a-record-number-of-americans-now-dislike-hillary-clinton/

oasis

(49,151 posts)
43. Trump can credit his 2016 victory, in part, to rabid anti-Hillary "progressives".
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 03:01 PM
Nov 2021

Now we face the extinction of American Democracy.

Thank you, Susan Sarandon, Cornel West and many other so-called "lefties".

Thanks a bunch.

msfiddlestix

(7,265 posts)
26. Exactly
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 10:25 AM
Nov 2021

Precisely why I had mixed feelings/reactions to Harris as his pick. I understood the reason for it, and I understood Clyburn's insistence and pressure for an African American Woman to be chosen, and I'm not sure any other contender would have been better..

It's going to be very rough seas ahead.

JohnSJ

(91,950 posts)
7. F**K CNN. Politico started this bullshit yesterday. They did it with Hillary in 2016, saying how
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 03:29 AM
Nov 2021

"shrill Hillary was, and how she looked angry she looked all the time” in 2016, and of course they joined the pack to say the “ email investigation was reopened”, which was a lie, and then for a week before the election had every right wing pundit trotting across the screen propagating that le

They never did that type of characterization on any republican candidates in 2016 as shrill or angry all the time.

The press has a problem with strong females in leadership roles, and in my view they are showing their sexist colors

However, let’s assume the story is accurate, then that means there are people in the WH actively sabotaging this administration by spewing this crap to the media, and if true, whoever is doing that needs to be given their walking papers. We need team players, who work and help each other, not back stabbed

Also, in any presidency the VP doesn’t have a large presence to the public, so WTF is CNN trying to say?

After the over the top hyperbole Jake Tapper and the rest of the gang did on Biden on the Afghanistan withdrawal, I dropped them like a hot potato

Bloomberg, NPR, Newspapers, etc. are enough for me to understand what is going on in the world. I sure don't need CNN's talking heads telling me what to think

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
13. Anyone who has a problem with CNN I believe should do two things
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 06:58 AM
Nov 2021

1). Email them and let them know.
2). Turn them off and never go back.

Seems simple to me.

PCIntern

(25,346 posts)
20. The fact of the matter is that
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 08:24 AM
Nov 2021

The right wing and the complicit media went after Hillary because they couldn’t lay a finger on her husband. He was too smart, too charismatic, too ready to have a quick comeback which utterly disarmed the opponent, add too cleverly political.

So they decided to go to destroy his wife. It’s the sign of a weakling and the plot of 5000 B movies wherein the hero is too competent or too physical so they attack/kidnap/assault/harass his family.

Fuckers.

pinkstarburst

(1,321 posts)
22. I find it funny how many people
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 09:07 AM
Nov 2021

are crying foul when CNN goes after Harris but are sitting here on DU trashing Beto.

Just something to think about.

CNN and all the people reading those articles probably just think they're "pointing out the truth" just like all the Beto-bashers in the threads I saw today and yesterday. Some people here might want to consider changing their tone on a site that claims to support democrats.

msfiddlestix

(7,265 posts)
27. People here are trashing Beto? !!
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 10:27 AM
Nov 2021

Seriously? I'm glad I've missed those threads. Wonder what he did that deserved that treatment.

mn9driver

(4,412 posts)
25. It is because of our withdrawal from Afghanistan.
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 10:17 AM
Nov 2021

The major news networks in the US are war cheerleaders. Their owners are furious that their lovely little war has been canceled.

If you review the coverage from 2001 through 2003, the US war propaganda was breathtaking. MSNBC canned their number one host, Phil Donahue, because he dared to be skeptical of it.

Biden is paying a price for shutting it down.

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
28. Does no-one remember the testimony of the Facebook engineer who
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 10:38 AM
Nov 2021

explained now divisive posts increase views? It is, and has been, the exact same thing on cable news for years!

I have stopped watching cable news years ago, and feel better for it. I encourage others to give it a try - the craving for outrage is strong, but you can get your fix in less toxic places.

lees1975

(3,718 posts)
41. Vice Presidents aren't expected to do much of anything
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 02:51 PM
Nov 2021

but this one is smart, knows how to stay focused and doesn't let the media circus change her course.

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