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Can the DoJ go after Rittenhouse on a civil rights charge? (Original Post) Botany Nov 2021 OP
The families of his victims can go after him in civil court. ShazamIam Nov 2021 #1
This is what i hope - you only need a preponderance of evidence kysrsoze Nov 2021 #11
a jury will not be sympathetic RegexReader Nov 2021 #12
Not sure. Elessar Zappa Nov 2021 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Sneederbunk Nov 2021 #5
Doubt it. Hoyt Nov 2021 #3
His victims were white onenote Nov 2021 #4
Doesn't matter when you are charging someone with Mr.Bill Nov 2021 #13
It matters if you're claiming a federal "civil rights" violation, not a wrongful death tort. onenote Nov 2021 #14
And one of your civil rights is the right to life, Mr.Bill Nov 2021 #15
You are simply wrong. onenote Nov 2021 #16
Kyle Rittenhouse was not acting under the color of law. Mr.Bill Nov 2021 #17
Exactly. Because he wasn't acting under color of law and didn't target victims based on race onenote Nov 2021 #18
They won't. LuvLoogie Nov 2021 #6
Post removed Post removed Nov 2021 #7
No. Victims were not POC. Sneederbunk Nov 2021 #8
His victims were white onenote Nov 2021 #9
Seems like it would be double jeopardy. MiniMe Nov 2021 #10
No Zeitghost Nov 2021 #19
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2021 #20

kysrsoze

(6,019 posts)
11. This is what i hope - you only need a preponderance of evidence
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 02:48 PM
Nov 2021

Asshole went in, without being asked, carrying a firearm he wasn't legally allowed to own at his age during a protest. His behavior was extremely reckless and dangerous (and yes, I still think he's a murderer). I hope they take him for more than he'll ever earn.

RegexReader

(416 posts)
12. a jury will not be sympathetic
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:58 PM
Nov 2021

to the families of a pedophile and a domestic abuser claiming of 'loss of affection'

Response to Elessar Zappa (Reply #2)

onenote

(42,609 posts)
14. It matters if you're claiming a federal "civil rights" violation, not a wrongful death tort.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 06:12 PM
Nov 2021

The OP asked about DOJ bringing a civil rights action against Rittenhouse under federal law.

Every homicide doesn't give rise to a federal case.

Mr.Bill

(24,253 posts)
15. And one of your civil rights is the right to life,
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 06:16 PM
Nov 2021

which is a right that white people have, too. The civil rights act does not bestow rights on people of color alone.

onenote

(42,609 posts)
16. You are simply wrong.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 06:48 PM
Nov 2021

Every homicide does not create a federal right of action. You must realize that. And to the extent murder can be prosecuted as a civil rights violation, it has to violate a specific civll rights act.

The relevant provision is 42 USC 242:. Deprivation of rights under color of law

Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

Mr.Bill

(24,253 posts)
17. Kyle Rittenhouse was not acting under the color of law.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 06:53 PM
Nov 2021

What you cited is not relevant at all.

I'm not going to sift through the entire civil rights act and find things to quote., but it is illegal to deprive any one of their right to life.

onenote

(42,609 posts)
18. Exactly. Because he wasn't acting under color of law and didn't target victims based on race
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 06:59 PM
Nov 2021

he didn't commit a federal civil rights action and can't be prosecuted for murder under federal civil rights law.

You are making the right decision not to sift through the entire civil rights act, because you won't find what you're looking for. Section 242, which you have acknowledged wouldn't apply to Rittenhouse, is the one and only relevant statutory provision.


Response to Botany (Original post)

MiniMe

(21,709 posts)
10. Seems like it would be double jeopardy.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 02:29 PM
Nov 2021

Not a lawyer, and I could be completely wrong. It does seem unfair.

Zeitghost

(3,850 posts)
19. No
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 07:03 PM
Nov 2021

He was not acting under color of law and he did not target those shot because of their race or ethnic background.

Response to Zeitghost (Reply #19)

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