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blm

(113,431 posts)
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 01:55 PM Nov 2021

A neighbor just put up a large black flag on his porch.

I know the signal is they consider themselves in wartime and there will be no mercy for those they see as the enemy. Democrats, BLM, left organizations, liberal churches, schools, vaccine clinics, etc…are their enemies.

NewHendoLib posted a while ago that he was noticing American flags popping up more in his area. I am in that same area and noticed the uptick in my neighborhood. Also confederate flags and now these black flags.

Madison Cawthorn reps our district. Mark Meadows before him. Cawthorn told these people to be armed and dangerous.

I just warned the Unitarian Church what the black flag means that their neighbor is flying. They get vandalized a lot - every time they put up their rainbow flags and other inclusive signs.

This feels different. This is Trump, Mike Flynn, Steve Bannon, and Madison Cawthorn readying the Q Qrazies and far right extremist nutcases for local violence against their own neighbors.


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A neighbor just put up a large black flag on his porch. (Original Post) blm Nov 2021 OP
Good to know who to watch out for. If anything happens to the UCC watch and see if they flying_wahini Nov 2021 #1
Tell your local UUC church to install video cameras that cover the front and also the parking lot vlyons Nov 2021 #81
They said they do. blm Nov 2021 #101
Cawthorn should be nowhere near Congress. Elessar Zappa Nov 2021 #2
+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2021 #86
I'm sorry to admit that I am now worrying about this way too often. calimary Nov 2021 #126
Very disturbing, calimary. smirkymonkey Nov 2021 #138
Same feeling. blm Nov 2021 #149
That's actually a pretty accurate way to put it. calimary Nov 2021 #161
Take care, blm. Solly Mack Nov 2021 #3
Perhaps the neighbor is warning others that there are roaches and other vermin in the building. TheBlackAdder Nov 2021 #150
Or they're a punk rocker geardaddy Nov 2021 #197
That would be my cue to clean my shotgun on the porch MineralMan Nov 2021 #4
A little target practice never hurts. paleotn Nov 2021 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #169
Incredibly scary karynnj Nov 2021 #5
Please be careful and observant BLM. Boomerproud Nov 2021 #6
What does a black flag mean? yardwork Nov 2021 #7
Good question padah513 Nov 2021 #10
Only info I ever hear bout this "flag" is on this site. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #11
Never seen it? Never heard of it outside DU? PTWB Nov 2021 #13
Nope. I live in a very red county, with land in an even redder county. Have yet to see one. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #17
I've seen the black flags in Iowa, Michigan and Arkansas. PTWB Nov 2021 #20
Yikes, Glad I don't live up there. nt BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #36
Berkeley Springs WV also which is a tourist town Maggiemayhem Nov 2021 #90
This black flag went up yesterday. 2nd one I've seen near me. blm Nov 2021 #27
Did I express disbelief? BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #34
Perhaps you didn't mean blm Nov 2021 #38
Lol, still waiting for someone to post a pic of one of these in an actual neighborhood. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #39
Go online. You can get hats, t-shirts etc . Lots of information about black flags. nt Biophilic Nov 2021 #43
I need to look around to see if I can find the right-wingers talking about this Sapient Donkey Nov 2021 #84
I found this in google... Whatthe_Firetruck Nov 2021 #183
Oh, ya got me. blm Nov 2021 #53
Welcome to Debunker Underground greenjar_01 Nov 2021 #63
That poster was fully informed about this a day or so ago & still chooses to mock Hekate Nov 2021 #83
"Fully informed?" BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #85
Yes, it certainly does. nt Biophilic Nov 2021 #106
+1 Celerity Nov 2021 #167
Oh so you do intend to be mocking. Voltaire2 Nov 2021 #177
They did not sound mocking or insensitive to me. ShazzieB Nov 2021 #151
For the record. I've not seen it either. KentuckyWoman Nov 2021 #88
I've seen some in my very red county mcar Nov 2021 #78
Go you! Thanks for doing this!!! Native Nov 2021 #188
I live in a blue state and a purple county, and I've seen them. Here's some info: chia Nov 2021 #121
So important Alice Kramden Nov 2021 #124
Pretty sure I got the link for that from DU a while back. I've argued online for years with people chia Nov 2021 #127
This helps a lot! ShazzieB Nov 2021 #159
Good. Googling black American flag would get you more hits. I've seen them myself, on big pickups chia Nov 2021 #165
A bit more info, some of it contradictory. NullTuples Nov 2021 #172
Hey thanks, I learned a new word: vexillologist. :) Frankly, I think those likely to fly a black chia Nov 2021 #173
Good point, it's not like their subculture puts a high value on objective truth. NullTuples Nov 2021 #174
+ a million... chia Nov 2021 #175
I've never seen one (Denver area). Not expressing skepticism, mind you. Dial H For Hero Nov 2021 #104
This message was self-deleted by its author UnderThisLaw Nov 2021 #35
Lol. nt BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #40
how about this - from last month NewHendoLib Nov 2021 #60
Thanks for this. ShazzieB Nov 2021 #156
me neither. I'm in Ga, so I'll see old confederate flags but no black ones. oldsoftie Nov 2021 #178
Black flag: Understanding the Trumpists' latest threatening symbol tenderfoot Nov 2021 #15
Lol, tik tok and The Sun? BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #18
If you read the article they state that they can't confirm if it's a thing. tenderfoot Nov 2021 #21
I'm not sure what you find so funny. HUAJIAO Nov 2021 #46
Thanks for posting that FoxNewsSucks Nov 2021 #51
I have also seen solid black flags.. no strips or bars-- just BLACK.... HUAJIAO Nov 2021 #55
I see those cop ones a lot FoxNewsSucks Nov 2021 #59
I saw that stupid blue line flag on a t-shirt worn by a cashier at the gas station today. progressoid Nov 2021 #128
This message was self-deleted by its author HUAJIAO Nov 2021 #56
Amazon sells these flags????????? DENVERPOPS Nov 2021 #70
Amazon will take down racist and antisemitic items if notified...ON EDIT Hekate Nov 2021 #89
I have a few minutes, I'll give it a shot.. HUAJIAO Nov 2021 #110
Thank you, and please share! Hekate Nov 2021 #111
Couldn't find any place to report the flags.. only in the "Questions" section HUAJIAO Nov 2021 #157
Same here. Plus now I've got black flags listed in my browsing history. ancianita Nov 2021 #189
Jeebus, look at the comments of that Amazon link... nt Whatthe_Firetruck Nov 2021 #184
Yes, I saw some of those.. scary !! HUAJIAO Nov 2021 #187
Kind of like the laughable social media sources for the 1/6 insurrection. Did you disbelieve those? Hekate Nov 2021 #108
How is it that you are amused by wnylib Nov 2021 #142
The Sun is the only reference to the civil war that I found on the internet oldsoftie Nov 2021 #179
They're not giving each other covid fast enough. housecat Nov 2021 #47
My sentiments exactly. blm Nov 2021 #54
It would be lovely if they'd just hurry up and die. Sorry if I've just offended anyone. diane in sf Nov 2021 #99
Offended? The thought of it wnylib Nov 2021 #144
Not offended AT ALL.. SammyWinstonJack Nov 2021 #152
I see... thank you. I suspect that most of it is empty posturing. yardwork Nov 2021 #134
So if "the vaccinated" are included on their enemies list ecstatic Nov 2021 #191
Once upon a time the black flag was used by Anarchists DBoon Nov 2021 #23
An all black flag IS an anarchist symbol... reACTIONary Nov 2021 #66
From post 32 it looks like an all black flag DBoon Nov 2021 #96
+1. The black flag has always been the anarchist flag, radius777 Nov 2021 #176
Check out the photo on Amazon. It is the Stars & Stripes made with all-black fabric & thread Hekate Nov 2021 #107
I'm familiar with the anarchist flag. This is... something else. yardwork Nov 2021 #133
I know DBoon Nov 2021 #163
I thought is was a warning: "Danger -- My place has cockroaches! Exterminator is NCjack Nov 2021 #37
Yep, the ant and roach killer with the same label was my first thought, too. GoCubsGo Nov 2021 #41
"No Quarter" bhikkhu Nov 2021 #77
Just like after the KR verdict, the white supremacy groups were saying things like Maggiemayhem Nov 2021 #119
Probably empty threats. Keyboard warriors and flag flyers. yardwork Nov 2021 #132
Hmm. That's what a lot of people wnylib Nov 2021 #145
Most of them would've backed down if the police Elessar Zappa Nov 2021 #154
I'm doubtful that a crowd of that size wnylib Nov 2021 #164
When that lady got shot, Elessar Zappa Nov 2021 #166
True that people backed away from the shots wnylib Nov 2021 #170
And those people in law enforcement who ignored the threats are guilty of incompetence, at best. yardwork Nov 2021 #180
It means "no quarter given," as on a battlefield where you intend to slaughter even those who .... Hekate Nov 2021 #82
Ok, that's horrifying. I get it now. yardwork Nov 2021 #129
It is flown in place of the confederate flag Maggiemayhem Nov 2021 #115
Wow. I didn't know this. Thank you. yardwork Nov 2021 #130
The first meaning I saw was that it meant support the police, with the blue line. keithbvadu2 Nov 2021 #160
Read this ... aggiesal Nov 2021 #168
Thanks. yardwork Nov 2021 #181
google black American flag LiberalArkie Nov 2021 #186
..... BradAllison Nov 2021 #196
We're sort of impartial.... OneBlueDotS-Carolina Nov 2021 #8
Be vigilant... IrishAfricanAmerican Nov 2021 #9
It's good to know who your enemies in the neighborhood are. Hotler Nov 2021 #12
Excellent idea: "You could respond with a yard sign... 5/9/1865 Get Over It." erronis Nov 2021 #45
Tell them::: Thank God you republicans won that war back in the 1860s. keithbvadu2 Nov 2021 #158
The American ISIS flag. nt Gore1FL Nov 2021 #14
It's cute how these fascists think they can take us without a fight. I know a lot of liberals ZonkerHarris Nov 2021 #16
Before going outside , take several chill pills Tetrachloride Nov 2021 #19
Is this why the GOP is predicting this to be a landslide election? world wide wally Nov 2021 #22
From now on they will *always* predict landslides before to help bolster cries of "fraud" after. It Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2021 #33
They don't give a rat's ass what America wants. hadEnuf Nov 2021 #97
I got together with friends on Friday. shrike3 Nov 2021 #24
I do worry more as each day goes by that GUNS will be used more and more bluestarone Nov 2021 #25
Is it an actual black piece of fabric or an American flag with a black stripe across it? vanlassie Nov 2021 #26
All black. blm Nov 2021 #32
It's an American flag dimmed by black tinting. wnylib Nov 2021 #147
Ah. I have seen some. My neighbors still have Trump flags up. vanlassie Nov 2021 #162
The coup continues. In plain sight and growing. Justice please. Bannon, Meadows, all others Evolve Dammit Nov 2021 #28
So put one out yourself... EarthFirst Nov 2021 #29
But not a black flag. Put up the traditional wnylib Nov 2021 #148
Be prepared. The day their civil war starts, sneak in and swap it for a white flag Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2021 #30
Isis flag? NT mwooldri Nov 2021 #31
perhaps a cue to proudly fly the American flag.... bahboo Nov 2021 #42
without water llashram Nov 2021 #44
If we give them hospital beds and anti-viral meds for the "hoax" then we're fools housecat Nov 2021 #48
Go ask your neighbor Mr.Bill Nov 2021 #49
Well this may upset some people here but our side needs to arm themselves. Texaswitchy Nov 2021 #50
my wife and I just took a walk down the soon-to-be Ecusta trail from Turley Falls to All-Star NewHendoLib Nov 2021 #52
✔️ blm Nov 2021 #57
Oh - and I just found this NewHendoLib Nov 2021 #58
Thank you for posting, good article. betsuni Nov 2021 #102
I think it's scary that I have to wonder who is going to attack people that they consider liberal Maggiemayhem Nov 2021 #94
The police will write down names, phone numbers and addresses... Kid Berwyn Nov 2021 #61
Do we have recourse? Marthe48 Nov 2021 #62
Just found this - the phenomenon is certainly happening in the area I (and blm) live in NewHendoLib Nov 2021 #64
Just be on alert around those types of people SunImp Nov 2021 #65
Reply. SYFROYH Nov 2021 #67
I'll ask Lee Ving to come visit and bring FEAR blm Nov 2021 #68
+1 SYFROYH Nov 2021 #71
"TV Party" ! electric_blue68 Nov 2021 #131
He's got nothing better to do. . . . hatrack Nov 2021 #139
Used to hear this on the radio back in the day electric_blue68 Nov 2021 #141
Black AMERICAN flag... reACTIONary Nov 2021 #69
+1 Celerity Nov 2021 #92
You can see the black stitching on the black stripes etc... electric_blue68 Nov 2021 #143
Hmmm....smells like Ya'llqaeda. paleotn Nov 2021 #72
The flags of hate and fear. n/t TeamProg Nov 2021 #74
I just googled "Where can I buy a black American flag?" Frickin' Walmart sells them! LaMouffette Nov 2021 #75
I thought defiling the American flag was illegal. Mariana Nov 2021 #105
Well, there's a US Flag Code that prohibits letting the flag touch the ground, so I thought LaMouffette Nov 2021 #198
It's not a crime to violate the US Flag Code. Mariana Nov 2021 #201
That means you feel threatened, right? Silent3 Nov 2021 #76
They are forming militias. cilla4progress Nov 2021 #79
Wait... electric_blue68 Nov 2021 #137
Thank you for notifying your neighboring UU church Hekate Nov 2021 #80
That is just sick smirkymonkey Nov 2021 #93
This church is not far blm Nov 2021 #95
And this one of the reasons I own guns vercetti2021 Nov 2021 #87
Same. Elessar Zappa Nov 2021 #91
Likewise vercetti2021 Nov 2021 #123
My neighbor displays one Generic Brad Nov 2021 #98
I've viewed that thin blue line flag as also offensive. consider_this Nov 2021 #114
That is my understanding as well Generic Brad Nov 2021 #116
Our neighbors two doors down.... Blue Dawn Nov 2021 #100
What state? blm Nov 2021 #103
I'd rather kill you than admit I'm wrong. Duncan Grant Nov 2021 #109
I mean...TFG (That F*cking Guy) is selling 'em through his online store... LowerManhattanite Nov 2021 #112
I should be shocked. blm Nov 2021 #113
Did it have stripes as well? Meowmee Nov 2021 #117
A neighbor of ours, a few blocks from us, put one up about 6 months ago. CaptainTruth Nov 2021 #118
They do, and why it can't be ignored. blm Nov 2021 #122
That's not good. Please be safe. chia Nov 2021 #120
My take on what it all means Dukkha Nov 2021 #125
if we feed the hungery , take care of the sick and eldery , give homeless ppl showers , AllaN01Bear Nov 2021 #135
Madison Cawthorn needs to be removed from congress as a threat. AllaN01Bear Nov 2021 #136
Stay safe, blm ! electric_blue68 Nov 2021 #140
Good luck. róisín_dubh Nov 2021 #146
yes larwdem Nov 2021 #153
Creepy times. blm Nov 2021 #155
this is an interesting read as well NewHendoLib Nov 2021 #171
I'm east of you in NC, and the same thing is happening here. North Carolina's rednecks are BComplex Nov 2021 #182
Our new militia fucks near neighbors were flying an American flag upside down. lark Nov 2021 #185
I have not seen one...yet RevBrotherThomas Nov 2021 #190
My neighbor put up a black flag, too. JaneQPublic Nov 2021 #192
I do not walk my dogs in my neighborhood, anymore Dixc Nov 2021 #193
Yesterday the guy parked next to me had a "Fuck Biden" sticker Buckeyeblue Nov 2021 #194
Simply put it means stay away BradAllison Nov 2021 #195
The house with that black flag should have a drone overhead. kairos12 Nov 2021 #199
I agree blm Nov 2021 #200

flying_wahini

(7,116 posts)
1. Good to know who to watch out for. If anything happens to the UCC watch and see if they
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 02:00 PM
Nov 2021

Leave their flag up.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
81. Tell your local UUC church to install video cameras that cover the front and also the parking lot
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 04:26 PM
Nov 2021

if they don't already have them

Elessar Zappa

(14,685 posts)
2. Cawthorn should be nowhere near Congress.
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 02:02 PM
Nov 2021

He’s the very embodiment of toxic masculinity and should be expelled. Sorry you’re having to deal with crazy neighbors. I’m lucky to live in a Democratic neighborhood but our outer county is red and has a lot of “Fuck Biden” flags.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
86. +1000
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 04:34 PM
Nov 2021

WTH is happening to this country? It's like the effing Twilight Zone all of a sudden. Well, not really all of a sudden, it has been creeping up on us over the past number of years but it seems to be accelerating and it is now quite alarming.

I am also lucky that I live in a very blue area of a blue city in a blue state in a blue region and do not witness this kind of thing in my daily life, but if I even caught a whiff of it, I would find it very disturbing. I don't know how any concerned liberal/democrat puts up with it. It's really hostile and unacceptable.

If things don't start to turn around in this country soon, we are done. There is no doubt about it. But we keep saying that and nothing happens. Are we just in denial or have we just been stunned into passivity?

calimary

(82,607 posts)
126. I'm sorry to admit that I am now worrying about this way too often.
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 08:36 PM
Nov 2021

I’ve seen a couple of tumultuous eras come and go (including the Vietnam War protests, the Watts riots, and other, lesser events. And I do not remember it ever getting to this level. Vigilante justice is now a very real thing and not some “oh, you’re just going overboard, worrying over nothing…” stuff.

This is no longer “worrying over nothing.” These are seriously concerning and even menacing.

And tremendously discouraging.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
138. Very disturbing, calimary.
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 08:50 PM
Nov 2021

You are right. I have not lived through those previous eras, but even I know enough to know that this is the worst we have seen in a long time and it is only a matter of time before everything combusts.

calimary

(82,607 posts)
161. That's actually a pretty accurate way to put it.
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 10:22 PM
Nov 2021

“Never felt it breathing down my neck before.”

Totally get that.

TheBlackAdder

(28,486 posts)
150. Perhaps the neighbor is warning others that there are roaches and other vermin in the building.
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 09:40 PM
Nov 2021

.

Assholes check in, they don't check out!



.

Response to MineralMan (Reply #4)

karynnj

(59,637 posts)
5. Incredibly scary
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 02:10 PM
Nov 2021

Given the timing, I wonder if the Rittenhouse verdict has given those black flag neighbors further validation that they can act on the anger their leaders engender. Crazy that they have even put a name to the future apocalyptic war they feel will be fought - the Storm. This is NOT the America we grew up in for all its many flaws! Stay safe! It amazes me that - even as they act out - people like Cawthorn, MTG, and others don't seem to face negative approval in their districts.

Boomerproud

(8,115 posts)
6. Please be careful and observant BLM.
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 02:14 PM
Nov 2021

Obviously ignoring these people is not the answer. They are actively provoking violence. Deeply disturbing and depressing.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
11. Only info I ever hear bout this "flag" is on this site.
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 02:28 PM
Nov 2021

Never seen it.

Just came back from that same area this week…saw no Confederate flags or “black” flags.

I see American flags in plenty of places, and if we’re getting offended by them, well, not sure what to say about that.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
17. Nope. I live in a very red county, with land in an even redder county. Have yet to see one.
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 02:39 PM
Nov 2021

Just came back from visiting my sis up in them that hills the poster referred to…didn’t see nary a one.

Even the tfg flags have come down, though I do occasionally spot a bumper sticker.

Maggiemayhem

(826 posts)
90. Berkeley Springs WV also which is a tourist town
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 04:53 PM
Nov 2021

My sister called me terrified when her neighbor put one up a couple months ago.

blm

(113,431 posts)
27. This black flag went up yesterday. 2nd one I've seen near me.
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 02:55 PM
Nov 2021

Why is it important to you to express disbelief? Because YOU didn’t see one it can’t be a real thing the extremists are readying.

So, Flynn, Bannon, and Cawthorn are talking to……no one.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
39. Lol, still waiting for someone to post a pic of one of these in an actual neighborhood.
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 03:03 PM
Nov 2021

People say they’ve seen them in various states, so if they’re that common, one wouldn’t have to take a pic in one’s own neighborhood. But no pictures yet…

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
84. I need to look around to see if I can find the right-wingers talking about this
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 04:32 PM
Nov 2021

I'm thinking this will be mostly in the totally batshit QANON klan. I haven't seen any mention of black flags yet, but I've been mostly avoiding those cesspools for my sanity. If this is a thing, I'm curious to find if it's the majority of them, or just a couple extreme extremists within the extremist. It's also useful to have it in their own words, and not just other people (us, reporters, etc...) talking about what it means to those people.

I'm going in. If you don't hear from me in a few days, please send rescue.

Whatthe_Firetruck

(565 posts)
183. I found this in google...
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 09:46 AM
Nov 2021
What Does An All-Black Flag Mean?
To this day, there does not seem to be one specific symbol behind an all-black American Flag.

In general, black flags are used by enemy forces to signify that enemy combatants are going to be killed rather than taken prisoner—essentially, the opposite of the white flag used to represent surrender. This is also sometimes referred to as “give no quarter.”


[link:https://www.showallegiance.com/blogs/news/what-does-it-mean-if-an-american-flag-has-different-colors|]

This feels like what they're trying to convey.

blm

(113,431 posts)
53. Oh, ya got me.
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 03:31 PM
Nov 2021

I just made it all up.

Nothing like that could ever happen here in Meadows and Cawthorn’s district. They have no followers here ready to react violently.

I was just funnin’ ya. Now you can move on pleased with yourself for calling me out for my lie.

Skim away.

Hekate

(92,460 posts)
83. That poster was fully informed about this a day or so ago & still chooses to mock
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 04:31 PM
Nov 2021

It makes one wonder, doesn’t it


Voltaire2

(13,922 posts)
177. Oh so you do intend to be mocking.
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 08:06 AM
Nov 2021

I’m just curious why you seem determined to debunk this black flag thing.

ShazzieB

(17,234 posts)
151. They did not sound mocking or insensitive to me.
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 09:42 PM
Nov 2021

This is a very large and diverse country, and some things that are very common in one area may be unheard of in another. For example, when my daughter was a teenager, we took a trip to see an old friend of mine in Arkansas, and my poor kid was completely freaked out by all the confederate flags on people's cars and such. I felt bad that I didn't think to warn her about that stuff (but proud to have raised a kid who was so appalled by it). It just didn't occur to me to prepare her for it, I guess because my husband and I have spent enough time down south that we just take that stuff for granted when we're down there. It didn't occur to me how it might look to a 17 year old who had spent most of her life in the Chicago area.

Getting back to the black flags, I don't think I've ever seen one of those myself, and I would love it if someone would be so good as to explain exactly what they are and what they mean. Among other things, I'm not even sure if we're talking about a flag that is solid black, or if "black flag" s shorthand for something else. I tried gogling "black flag," but the results were confusing.

EDITED TO ADD Thanks to other posts down thread, my questions been all been answered.

KentuckyWoman

(6,738 posts)
88. For the record. I've not seen it either.
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 04:36 PM
Nov 2021

And due to that fact took the other post as curiosity on what that thing looks like and how prevalent is it getting elsewhere. Not disbelief or doubt. Maybe I took it that way because I too would like to know.

For my own edification, I typed "black flag" into Amazon. Pages and pages pop up.... on prime even. Maybe I could ask why Amazon is promoting murder, hate and treason but that might be a stupid question ....

mcar

(42,982 posts)
78. I've seen some in my very red county
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 04:12 PM
Nov 2021

In fact, I just wrote* an LTE to our local daily about the desecrations of the American flag I see in my ruby red, super "patriotic" county.

Brought up the black flag, the black and white flag with the blue stripe, the black and white flag with green and blue stripes, and the combination of the American flag and the Confederate battle flag. I played dumb, like I didn't know what the others stood for and decried the desecration of "Old Glory."

*I'm part of a project with our local Democratic party where some of us ghost-write letters and others sign. It's been very successful and is driving all the Republicans crazy.

Alice Kramden

(2,243 posts)
124. So important
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 08:25 PM
Nov 2021

I've had inklings of this, but your link provides important information not generally known

chia

(2,264 posts)
127. Pretty sure I got the link for that from DU a while back. I've argued online for years with people
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 08:38 PM
Nov 2021

just like this, and that is how they talk. Sure some of them are armchair warriors, but some of them are ready, willing, and able. They see you and me as the enemy in the very literal sense of the word.

ShazzieB

(17,234 posts)
159. This helps a lot!
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 10:20 PM
Nov 2021

As I said in an earlier post, googling "black flag" pulled up several variations, which left me a little confused. That mashup video makes it clear that not all "black flags" look the same, but all have the same meaning and are meant to send the same message.

I still don't recall ever seeing one, but I will damned sure be looking, and if I do see one I will recognize it.

chia

(2,264 posts)
165. Good. Googling black American flag would get you more hits. I've seen them myself, on big pickups
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 10:29 PM
Nov 2021

around here. Here's more info:

Bucks County’s own local militia leader T.J. Kosin posted a video on TikTok of who appears to be his fellow militia member and wife taking down a red, white, and blue American flag and replacing it with a desecrated, all-black one.


Why is your neighbor flying that all-black American flag?

No telling how many fly it just to self-identify themselves to their like-minded tribe, but if I had a neighbor with one, I'd pay attention. Of course, if they had Qanon flags and Trump flags, I'd pay attention too...

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
172. A bit more info, some of it contradictory.
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 11:34 PM
Nov 2021

Unlikely it was flown in the Civil War by the Confederates; more likely it's from paintings in 1955 and a whole lot of reich-wing revisionism.

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/what-do-all-black-american-flags-mean/65-042fc092-d29d-4ec5-9ed1-2b0a08cc6f53

chia

(2,264 posts)
173. Hey thanks, I learned a new word: vexillologist. :) Frankly, I think those likely to fly a black
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 11:47 PM
Nov 2021

flag are also willing to make up their own history for it, or run with that narrative unquestioningly.

But it's good to know the factual history re: no relation to the confederacy although I don't think the black flag wavers would care.

Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #11)

ShazzieB

(17,234 posts)
156. Thanks for this.
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 10:06 PM
Nov 2021

This is the kind of information I've been wanting. I just wished the article would have included a picture of exactly what they look like.

I've done some more googling, and I'm still confused about what they look like, because I've found so many variations. I've found everything from flags that are so dark you can barely see the stars and stripes, while others are black and white or black and gray (with black where the blue and red would normally be). Do these all have the same meaning/significance?

NOTE: I am not trying to mock anyone or sound disbelieving. I just want to be able to understand EXACTLY what people mean by the term "black flag." I have never seen any of these flags anywhere but the internet myself, but I have absolutely NO doubt that they exist and are scary.

EDITED TO ADD Thanks to other posts down thread, my questions been all been answered

oldsoftie

(13,096 posts)
178. me neither. I'm in Ga, so I'll see old confederate flags but no black ones.
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 08:14 AM
Nov 2021

The confederate ones have been around forever. My high school had them on the band uniforms back in my day

tenderfoot

(8,486 posts)
15. Black flag: Understanding the Trumpists' latest threatening symbol
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 02:35 PM
Nov 2021

In one troubling new development, Trump supporters have begun flying all-black American flags, in an implicit threat to harm or kill their opponents — meaning nonwhite people, "socialist liberals," Muslims, vaccinated people and others deemed to be "enemies" of "real America." As media critic Eric Boehlert recently noted, the liberal opinion site Living Blue in Texas is sounding the alarm about the specific meaning of the black flag and the Republican-fascists support for terrorism and other political violence. That post, "Are Your Republican Neighbors Planning on Killing You?", merits lengthy quotation:

It didn't take long to find hundreds of videos where these Trumpers and so-called patriots were hanging black American flags. ...

Black American flags are the flags that mean "no quarter shall be given." They are the opposite of the white flag of surrender.

According to the people on TikTok and the Sun (British tabloid), the black American flag originated in the civil war and was flown by the Confederates.

It means that they will not surrender, will not take prisoners, and are willing to die for their cause. It means they will execute their enemies.

Who are their enemies? Pretty much any non-Conservative. You know, Democrats, Liberals, LGBTQ, BIPOC, and the vaccinated. ...

So, we're the enemy, and they're openly professing to want to execute us. … So, why are they doing this

Covid vaccinations, mostly. They believe that Joe Biden has declared a civil war on them by mandating that employers with over 100 employees and the military have vaccinations.

Yes, they say civil war, and they say it's already started. But, unfortunately, many of them also live in states where masks and vaccines are required by state governments, healthcare, and law enforcement.

An alarming number of military members have been making Tik Toks talking about how they are being discharged because they refuse the vaccine. It's alarming because there is probably an equal number of guys on there talking about the civil war plans and actively using Tik Tok to recruit these military and ex-military members.

The biggest message they have been sending out is, "it's time" or "the time is now." ...

Although showing guns on Tik Tok is supposed to be against community guidelines, they show lots of videos of their guns, shooting them, wearing them, or sitting on their bed.

They primarily use Tik Tok as a recruiting tool and let others know their willingness to commit violence. Then they tell people to message them or where to find them on Telegram.


However you interpret these videos posted by Trump followers and other neofascists — which could be mainly performative — [link:it is clearly true that the American right is increasingly willing to accept or condone violence as a means of expanding and protecting their social and political power|it is clearly true that the American right is increasingly willing to accept or condone violence as a means of expanding and protecting their social and political power.] (Salon did not find licensed news photographs of these flags, and has made the editorial decision not to reproduce the images mentioned above, which are easy to find on social media.)

https://www.salon.com/2021/10/12/black-flag-understanding-the-trumpists-latest-threatening-symbol/
 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
18. Lol, tik tok and The Sun?
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 02:41 PM
Nov 2021

“According to the people on TikTok and the Sun (British tabloid), the black American flag originated in the civil war and was flown by the Confederates.”

HUAJIAO

(2,460 posts)
46. I'm not sure what you find so funny.
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 03:21 PM
Nov 2021

I've seen black American flags in Up-State NY, not far from Rochester. Am I going to photograph them?
Hell no. What for.

Just for kicks..
https://www.amazon.com/Black-American-Flag-3x5-Embroidered/dp/B08PB7JXS2?th=1


FoxNewsSucks

(10,549 posts)
51. Thanks for posting that
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 03:31 PM
Nov 2021

I've never seen an all-black flag like that. What I thought people were referring to as "black flags" are American flags that look like they've been printed after the color cartridge ran out.

Like this




I've seen a lot of those. Mainly in the back windows of pickup trucks, sometimes taking up the entire window. But so far I haven't seen the all-blacked-out American flag.

I agree, it's not funny at all. They had their "liberal hunting licenses" a few years ago, and are clearly itching to start opening fire on us.


HUAJIAO

(2,460 posts)
55. I have also seen solid black flags.. no strips or bars-- just BLACK....
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 03:34 PM
Nov 2021

which is an anarchist symbol

Also, the black american flags with the one blue line supporting cops is just as bad...

Response to FoxNewsSucks (Reply #51)

DENVERPOPS

(9,293 posts)
70. Amazon sells these flags?????????
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 03:55 PM
Nov 2021

It is more than obvious they don't care about anything but revenue.......Holy Crap

What other obscene and or racist items do they hawk?????????????

Hekate

(92,460 posts)
89. Amazon will take down racist and antisemitic items if notified...ON EDIT
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 04:39 PM
Nov 2021

Occasionally DUers let the rest of us know to make alerts, and it works.

I was pretty stunned by the presence of the black flags, but left without reporting abuse at that time. I should go back — I hope others will.


ON EDIT: I can no longer locate a place to complain about a product or vendor. I hope others can.



HUAJIAO

(2,460 posts)
157. Couldn't find any place to report the flags.. only in the "Questions" section
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 10:16 PM
Nov 2021

is there any place to write anything, except a review.

Hekate

(92,460 posts)
108. Kind of like the laughable social media sources for the 1/6 insurrection. Did you disbelieve those?
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 06:26 PM
Nov 2021

As they piled up, many DUers took notice. Somehow we were proven right the day the US Capitol was overwhelmed by the mob.



oldsoftie

(13,096 posts)
179. The Sun is the only reference to the civil war that I found on the internet
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 08:22 AM
Nov 2021

And none of the civil war buffs around here have ever flown one or posted one on FB.
Must be a new thing to try to be "cool"

ecstatic

(33,297 posts)
191. So if "the vaccinated" are included on their enemies list
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 11:07 AM
Nov 2021

They do know the list of vaxxed includes TFG, right? 🤔

reACTIONary

(5,862 posts)
66. An all black flag IS an anarchist symbol...
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 03:49 PM
Nov 2021

... these flags are black tinted (monochromatic ) AMERICAN flags.

radius777

(3,702 posts)
176. +1. The black flag has always been the anarchist flag,
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 12:21 AM
Nov 2021

also associated with punk rock... most of which has usually stood against the RW/conservatism/fascism/racism etc.

As you stated, the Trumpers are flying blackened American flags as some type of 'declaration of war' against the left/PoC/BLM etc - iow it has the opposite meaning of the anarchist flag, which was about upending the traditional order.

Hekate

(92,460 posts)
107. Check out the photo on Amazon. It is the Stars & Stripes made with all-black fabric & thread
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 06:19 PM
Nov 2021

In no way is it the Anarchist flag.

NCjack

(10,281 posts)
37. I thought is was a warning: "Danger -- My place has cockroaches! Exterminator is
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 03:00 PM
Nov 2021

applying poison. Do not enter this property -- Danger!"

GoCubsGo

(32,451 posts)
41. Yep, the ant and roach killer with the same label was my first thought, too.
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 03:04 PM
Nov 2021

Fitting, since many of them refer to non-members of their rancid cult as "vermin."

bhikkhu

(10,739 posts)
77. "No Quarter"
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 04:08 PM
Nov 2021

Though it's possible it means different things to different people, but I'm not an optimist. No Quarter in wartime means no prisoners, only corpses.

You think that when it comes down to it, we're all people, we're all Americans, we're neighbors, etc. You feel safe because that's always been how it is. If I'm in any kind of confrontation I can find a way out because I don't want to hurt anyone and I recognize our common humanity, there's no reason for anyone to harm me.

The black flag means someone on the other side would probably just kill me, and is probably actively fantasizing about scenarios where they could do that.

Maggiemayhem

(826 posts)
119. Just like after the KR verdict, the white supremacy groups were saying things like
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 07:51 PM
Nov 2021

Kill them and stack them up like cord wood.

yardwork

(62,451 posts)
132. Probably empty threats. Keyboard warriors and flag flyers.
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 08:42 PM
Nov 2021

What a bunch of childish.... snowflakes. They'd run crying to mommy if they ever actually had to see combat or participate in a resistance.

Elessar Zappa

(14,685 posts)
154. Most of them would've backed down if the police
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 09:53 PM
Nov 2021

had responded with real force. Have you seen most of them? There would have been some of the Oathkeepers and other groups that might have fought it out but the vast majority would’ve backed off.

wnylib

(22,912 posts)
164. I'm doubtful that a crowd of that size
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 10:26 PM
Nov 2021

operating on mob rule dynamics and filled with what they considered "patriotic zeal" would have backed down. More likely they would have doubled down and escalated the violence.

Dismissing them as cowards is a mistake. They are deluded, but are fanatical zealots.

Elessar Zappa

(14,685 posts)
166. When that lady got shot,
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 10:29 PM
Nov 2021

it stopped a whole crowd of them dead in their tracks and they backed off. That’s what should’ve been done right when the barrier was breached.

wnylib

(22,912 posts)
170. True that people backed away from the shots
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 10:47 PM
Nov 2021

at that point. But police and security were vastly outnumbered. There were armed people among the militia attendees and hidden arms nearby.

Remember the videos of Officer Goodman leading a mob away from where Pence was hiding? What do you think would have happened to Goodman and the people he was protecting if he had fired into that mob?

yardwork

(62,451 posts)
180. And those people in law enforcement who ignored the threats are guilty of incompetence, at best.
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 09:00 AM
Nov 2021

People organizing to attack the U.S. Capitol on a specific day and time is a different level of threat than some moron flying a defaced flag from their front porch.

Hekate

(92,460 posts)
82. It means "no quarter given," as on a battlefield where you intend to slaughter even those who ....
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 04:29 PM
Nov 2021

… have surrendered.

If you’re curious (as I was) you can look it up on Amazon. It turns out to be a best-seller, highly rated, with multiple vendors.

Maggiemayhem

(826 posts)
115. It is flown in place of the confederate flag
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 07:36 PM
Nov 2021

or along with it to signify no quarter. If they don’t like your views, they will fight you to the death. They are everywhere and some are hidden behind American flags and you won’t see them if the wind is not blowing.

keithbvadu2

(38,040 posts)
160. The first meaning I saw was that it meant support the police, with the blue line.
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 10:21 PM
Nov 2021

The first meaning I saw was that it meant support the police, with the blue line.

Now it has morphed into white supremacy and terrorism.

aggiesal

(9,156 posts)
168. Read this ...
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 10:33 PM
Nov 2021
https://livingbluetx.com/2021/09/domestic-terrorist-next-door/amp/

Black American flags are the flags that mean “no quarter shall be given.” They are the opposite of the white flag of surrender.

"... the black American flag originated in the civil war and was flown by the Confederates."

"It means that they will not surrender, will not take prisoners, and are willing to die for their cause. It means they will execute their enemies."

OneBlueDotS-Carolina

(1,397 posts)
8. We're sort of impartial....
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 02:16 PM
Nov 2021

To our homeowners association, then again when some tried to fly trump & other assorted flags, they got on their case quickly

Hotler

(11,656 posts)
12. It's good to know who your enemies in the neighborhood are.
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 02:30 PM
Nov 2021

Over the last few years I have new neighbors all around and often wonder which of them will nut-up.

You could respond with a yard sign...

5/9/1865
Get Over It.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conclusion_of_the_American_Civil_War

General Robert E. Lee commanded the Army of Northern Virginia, while Major General John Brown Gordon commanded its Second Corps. Early in the morning of April 9, Gordon attacked, aiming to break through Federal lines at the Battle of Appomattox Court House, but failed, and the Confederate Army was then surrounded. At 8:30 A.M. that morning, Lee requested a meeting with Lieutenant General Ulysses S. Grant to discuss surrendering the Army of Northern Virginia. Shortly after twelve o'clock, Grant's reply reached Lee, and in it Grant said he would accept the surrender of the Confederate Army under certain conditions. Lee then rode into the little hamlet of Appomattox Court House, where the Appomattox county court house stood, and waited for Grant's arrival to surrender his army.[3]

Got up at 6:00AM, attacked at 7:00, got their asses handed to them by 8:30...

But, then again it may be best to lay low.
stay safe.

erronis

(15,978 posts)
45. Excellent idea: "You could respond with a yard sign... 5/9/1865 Get Over It."
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 03:20 PM
Nov 2021

Maybe a picture of Lee handing over his sword.

ZonkerHarris

(24,647 posts)
16. It's cute how these fascists think they can take us without a fight. I know a lot of liberals
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 02:36 PM
Nov 2021

just waiting for a chance to defend themselves against some of these assholes.
A lot of Trumpers are going to be very surprised that all these "peacenik hippies" will gladly plant them in in the ground. in self defense.

world wide wally

(21,765 posts)
22. Is this why the GOP is predicting this to be a landslide election?
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 02:43 PM
Nov 2021

Their tearing down the government and killing their neighbors is what "America really wants?
WTF

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,796 posts)
33. From now on they will *always* predict landslides before to help bolster cries of "fraud" after. It
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 02:58 PM
Nov 2021

It will be the perpetual lie.

hadEnuf

(2,432 posts)
97. They don't give a rat's ass what America wants.
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 05:08 PM
Nov 2021

They consider themselves "America". We are dealing with violent extremist terrorists. That's the bottom line and we all need to realize that before we really get caught off guard.

 

shrike3

(5,370 posts)
24. I got together with friends on Friday.
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 02:49 PM
Nov 2021

And told them I did not know what these Trumpers/hard right folk are capable of. My friends are liberal, but they were a little upset. I tried to change the subject.

bluestarone

(17,652 posts)
25. I do worry more as each day goes by that GUNS will be used more and more
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 02:50 PM
Nov 2021

WE will be forced to decide what OUR answer will be, if they steal the elections through ILLEGAL State legislatures move to deny Americans their VOTE COUNTS! Truly SCARY times ahead. WE are getting plenty of WARNINGS of what they intend to do! Be READY! VOTE like our life depends on it, Then if they steal it look out!

wnylib

(22,912 posts)
147. It's an American flag dimmed by black tinting.
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 09:15 PM
Nov 2021

You can see it on display at Amazon.

The stars and stripes on some of them are so dimmed that it looks like a black or dark gray flag, but the stars and stripes are faintly visible.

Evolve Dammit

(17,508 posts)
28. The coup continues. In plain sight and growing. Justice please. Bannon, Meadows, all others
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 02:56 PM
Nov 2021

flaunting subpoenas. Lock them up for Chrissake.

EarthFirst

(2,936 posts)
29. So put one out yourself...
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 02:56 PM
Nov 2021

CoOpt that shit in the same manner they’re permitted in the media to co opt their own image.

wnylib

(22,912 posts)
148. But not a black flag. Put up the traditional
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 09:18 PM
Nov 2021

American red, white, and blue flag which belongs to all of us. They don't own it.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,796 posts)
30. Be prepared. The day their civil war starts, sneak in and swap it for a white flag
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 02:56 PM
Nov 2021

"Their" civil war because I think it is mostly their fantasy.

bahboo

(16,504 posts)
42. perhaps a cue to proudly fly the American flag....
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 03:09 PM
Nov 2021

not letting these fucks co-opt anything. However this isn't one of those black American flags....hate those. Luckily not seen in these parts. Driving through rural Wisconsin last week, I saw plenty.

llashram

(6,269 posts)
44. without water
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 03:18 PM
Nov 2021

the fires of war seem possibly among our citizenry. I pray not, but keep your powder dry. And just remember, they bleed out and die also. They are not the majority. So far nothing to fear.

Texaswitchy

(2,962 posts)
50. Well this may upset some people here but our side needs to arm themselves.
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 03:27 PM
Nov 2021

The right wants blood.

A lot of us on the left guns but not enough.

The rightwing crowd are cowards.

If they knew bullets would fly the other way they would think about it.

We are dangerous time now.

The right wing crazies are ready to roll

Still time to visit a gun shop.

I do not expect the police or military protect me.

NewHendoLib

(60,133 posts)
52. my wife and I just took a walk down the soon-to-be Ecusta trail from Turley Falls to All-Star
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 03:31 PM
Nov 2021

aside from the birds everywhere, the beautiful morning, Shaw's Creek burbling away next to the trail, we passed by lots of yards with TFG flags - and right next to them, American flags.

It may not be happening everywhere in the country, but the US flag is being hijacked by TFGers - equating patriotism/support of our country with support of TFG. It's pretty scary - seems to be some covert sort of inner circle/club thing going on.

We are off to visit our daughter in Seattle for Thanksgiving - got to get together for a cup of coffee and a proper chat some time soon.

betsuni

(26,591 posts)
102. Thank you for posting, good article.
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 05:35 PM
Nov 2021

Really like the author, now back to Salon to read more of his articles!

Kid Berwyn

(16,156 posts)
61. The police will write down names, phone numbers and addresses...
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 03:36 PM
Nov 2021

…of those who call to complain.

White Supremacist Infiltration of Law Enforcement

A little-read FBI report from 2006...

http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/402521/doc-26-white-supremacist-infiltration.pdf



Marthe48

(17,883 posts)
62. Do we have recourse?
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 03:38 PM
Nov 2021

Will police officers protect us from that implicit threat? Do we have a militia that will protect loyal Americans from the armed rebellion?

I feel like the bullies have more protection than their victims.

I never thought my views on civilized conduct would be threatened by sludge who want to kill off the U.S.

reACTIONary

(5,862 posts)
69. Black AMERICAN flag...
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 03:54 PM
Nov 2021

... these flags are black (monochromatic) AMERICAN flags. An all black solid black flag is an anarchist symbol.

electric_blue68

(15,842 posts)
143. You can see the black stitching on the black stripes etc...
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 08:56 PM
Nov 2021

when looking more closely at it.

(saw a more close up photo, maybe here earlier in the week, or elsewhere)

paleotn

(18,435 posts)
72. Hmmm....smells like Ya'llqaeda.
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 03:57 PM
Nov 2021

I feel your pain. I use to live in western NC during one of my career stops. Beautiful place and Asheville is great, but the hinterlands are inhabited by....well...I'm sure you're aware. Haven't been back since and have zero intention of ever going back for exactly the reasons you mention. A significant portion of the population is bat fucking shit insane. Not sure if it's bad moonshine from old radiators, the inbreeding or too much Jebus. Take your pick.

LaMouffette

(2,106 posts)
75. I just googled "Where can I buy a black American flag?" Frickin' Walmart sells them!
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 04:02 PM
Nov 2021

They're all over Amazon, too, of course.

I thought defiling the American flag was illegal. And it pisses me off, too, that the reich-wing was co-opted the American flag. I think we should all display one and take back the flag.

Mariana

(14,879 posts)
105. I thought defiling the American flag was illegal.
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 05:47 PM
Nov 2021

Why would you think that? It's protected under the First Amendment guarantee of freedom of speech.

LaMouffette

(2,106 posts)
198. Well, there's a US Flag Code that prohibits letting the flag touch the ground, so I thought
Tue Nov 23, 2021, 08:02 PM
Nov 2021

displaying it all blacked-out would be illegal, too.

But now that I think of it, people did burn the flag to protest the Vietnam War and that was protected by the First Amendment, so I guess you're right. Thanks for making me think further about this!

Mariana

(14,879 posts)
201. It's not a crime to violate the US Flag Code.
Tue Nov 23, 2021, 10:47 PM
Nov 2021

Flags are property. We can do whatever we want to with flags that we own. Conservatives used to make noise about wanting a Constitutional Amendment to change that, but they've apparently given up on that and have wholeheartedly embraced the opposite.

 

Silent3

(15,900 posts)
76. That means you feel threatened, right?
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 04:06 PM
Nov 2021

You should, as I understand it now, be able to shoot your neighbors because you feel threatened by them. Especially if you happen to be white.

cilla4progress

(25,188 posts)
79. They are forming militias.
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 04:20 PM
Nov 2021

Just like the Proud Boys cutting through the emergency exit on the NYC subway yesterday.

Law enforcement is on their side. Not all of them.

I am expecting it. I am still putting out my Dem signs next year. Fuck it. I'm old. If I can't put out campaign signs for my candidates it's not worth going on...

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
93. That is just sick
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 04:59 PM
Nov 2021

When peace loving organizations are at risk for being simply that - peace loving. How fucked up!

vercetti2021

(10,232 posts)
87. And this one of the reasons I own guns
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 04:35 PM
Nov 2021

Because they are pushing a civil war. Better believe if they want it. I'll be taking them with me. Won't live in fear of these people.

Elessar Zappa

(14,685 posts)
91. Same.
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 04:57 PM
Nov 2021

I’m not a gun toter but I do own a couple and will defend myself from any would-be Meal Team 6 Rambos. I also will continue to put my campaign signs up in my yard. Fuck them all.

Blue Dawn

(897 posts)
100. Our neighbors two doors down....
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 05:23 PM
Nov 2021

....put up a large solid black flag in their front yard, and my husband and I had no idea what it meant.

Duncan Grant

(8,343 posts)
109. I'd rather kill you than admit I'm wrong.
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 06:30 PM
Nov 2021

It looks like they’re willing to commit atrocities. I wonder how many days of a killing spree it takes to return to sanity. Anyone know?

LowerManhattanite

(2,403 posts)
112. I mean...TFG (That F*cking Guy) is selling 'em through his online store...
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 06:46 PM
Nov 2021

Does it get any realer than that?

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
117. Did it have stripes as well?
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 07:47 PM
Nov 2021

One of the three obvious trump humpers very close to us, but tg not in seeing distance, who are still flying flags and th crap has had a black flag with blue lines I believe, for over a year now.

CaptainTruth

(6,845 posts)
118. A neighbor of ours, a few blocks from us, put one up about 6 months ago.
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 07:49 PM
Nov 2021

He was a total Trumper, Trump signs & flag.

Thankfully, the house was a rental & they moved away after a few months. These folks want an actual shooting civil war.

Dukkha

(7,341 posts)
125. My take on what it all means
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 08:26 PM
Nov 2021

more hot wind and tough talk from Meal Team Six incel sissies who always cower out of an actual fight.

AllaN01Bear

(20,872 posts)
135. if we feed the hungery , take care of the sick and eldery , give homeless ppl showers ,
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 08:45 PM
Nov 2021

we are considered liberal?
we are just doing his work.

BComplex

(8,612 posts)
182. I'm east of you in NC, and the same thing is happening here. North Carolina's rednecks are
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 09:07 AM
Nov 2021

hoping for another civil war. These folks want a do-over.

lark

(23,548 posts)
185. Our new militia fucks near neighbors were flying an American flag upside down.
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 10:09 AM
Nov 2021

It's now rightside up. Wonder if police told them to fix it? They had it flying upside down for months, ever since the day they moved in.

RevBrotherThomas

(841 posts)
190. I have not seen one...yet
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 10:59 AM
Nov 2021

I live in a blood-red area of a blue state - blue stripe and red stripe American flags, pickup trucks still flying huge Trump flags/F**k Joe Biden flags. None of my neighbors have taken down their Trump 2020 yard signs that have been there since the election.

When the black flags go up, I won't be the least bit surprised.

JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
192. My neighbor put up a black flag, too.
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 11:58 AM
Nov 2021

At least I thought it was solid black until I saw it in brighter light and noticed it's the American Flag, only in slightly different shades of black.

This neighbor installed multiple flags on her front yard soon after moving in:
> A Gadsden (Don't Tread On Me) flag
> A thin-blue line "Cops Lives Matter" flag
> A "Spirit of 76" flag
> An American flag

Then she installed the all-black American flag a few months ago. I joke that her yard looks like she found a sale at an Insurrection Surplus Store. But it really pisses me off. `Just glad she doesn't fly a Confederate flag.

Dixc

(54 posts)
193. I do not walk my dogs in my neighborhood, anymore
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 12:28 PM
Nov 2021

I live in central WY. Many new people moving into the area from out of state. Saw a black flag hung about a month ago...sent chills through me and had to look it up to see what it meant. No, I will not go take a picture to prove to anyone what I saw. Now, we have F Biden, Impeach Biden and Tfg is my president flags from hanging from houses. Sunday afternoon in the park there were a group of young boys hanging around. One was a big kid with what I think was a play gun that might shoot nerf balls, but he was carrying it like Rittenhouse carried his rifle at the protest. The visual was upsetting to me and came directly home. I do not feel safe in my small town. I am mad as hell at what has happened to uour country. Happy Holidays, everyone Peace

Buckeyeblue

(5,553 posts)
194. Yesterday the guy parked next to me had a "Fuck Biden" sticker
Mon Nov 22, 2021, 12:28 PM
Nov 2021

And a "Fuck you if you voted for Biden." I had not seen that one yet. I'll be honest that for a brief minute I considered committing an act of vandalism. But there are too many cameras at in the store parking lot. Besides, I think that's what they want. So I just headed on my way.

But I'm happy that people are being so honest about their hate. It makes it easy for me to keep track of them, avoid them and if they own a business, to boycott them.

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