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Tue Nov 30, 2021, 07:40 AM

Hours ahead of 1/6 Attack-Trump made several calls from WH to top lieutenants at Willard Hotel

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”…a direct line from the White House and the command center…”

Sources have told the Guardian that just hours before the deadly attack on the US Capitol this year, Donald Trump made several calls from the White House to top lieutenants at the Willard hotel in Washington to discuss ways to stop or delay the certification of Joe Biden’s election win from taking place on 6 January.

The former president relayed that his vice-president, Mike Pence, was reluctant to go along with the plan to commandeer his largely ceremonial role at the joint session of Congress in a way that would allow Trump to retain the presidency for a second term.

He then pressed his aides about how to stop Biden’s certification from taking place, and delay the certification process to get alternate slates of electors for Trump sent to Congress.

Why is this significant? Trump’s remarks reveal a direct line from the White House and the command center at the Willard. The conversations also show Trump’s thoughts appear to be in line with the motivations of the pro-Trump mob that carried out the Capitol attack.

When did Trump make the calls? He phoned his lieutenants at the Willard sometime between the late evening on 5 January and the early hours of 6 January.....


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Reply Hours ahead of 1/6 Attack-Trump made several calls from WH to top lieutenants at Willard Hotel (Original post)
kpete Nov 2021 OP
gab13by13 Nov 2021 #1
NullTuples Nov 2021 #42
EYESORE 9001 Nov 2021 #2
gab13by13 Nov 2021 #9
Haggard Celine Nov 2021 #3
Baitball Blogger Nov 2021 #8
cstanleytech Nov 2021 #13
Mr.Bill Nov 2021 #15
mopinko Nov 2021 #31
calimary Nov 2021 #39
Grasswire2 Nov 2021 #45
Mr.Bill Dec 2021 #51
Boomerproud Nov 2021 #4
Bluethroughu Nov 2021 #5
gab13by13 Nov 2021 #21
WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2021 #6
Lonestarblue Nov 2021 #10
yardwork Nov 2021 #7
FalloutShelter Nov 2021 #12
berni_mccoy Nov 2021 #27
yardwork Nov 2021 #33
questionseverything Nov 2021 #49
gab13by13 Nov 2021 #11
Progressive Jones Nov 2021 #23
calimary Nov 2021 #40
Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #14
dchill Nov 2021 #16
Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #17
dchill Nov 2021 #19
Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #20
gab13by13 Nov 2021 #24
NullTuples Nov 2021 #43
Grasswire2 Nov 2021 #46
bucolic_frolic Nov 2021 #18
gab13by13 Nov 2021 #22
meow2u3 Nov 2021 #25
berni_mccoy Nov 2021 #26
CCExile Nov 2021 #28
ffr Nov 2021 #29
Crunchy Frog Nov 2021 #30
Stuart G Nov 2021 #32
ancianita Nov 2021 #35
calimary Nov 2021 #41
ancianita Nov 2021 #44
Tree Lady Dec 2021 #50
ancianita Nov 2021 #34
malaise Nov 2021 #36
ancianita Nov 2021 #37
UTUSN Nov 2021 #38
FakeNoose Nov 2021 #47
Pachamama Nov 2021 #48

Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 07:46 AM

1. Is it legal for DOJ

to go to a FISA court or other court to get the data on the calls? never mind, executive privilege or something else.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 03:09 PM

42. It's a moot point, as AG Garland doesn't want to appear partisan.

The first time I read of him stating that, I figured he was being prudent if not a bit overly cautious.

The most recent time, I realized he means it.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 07:49 AM

2. Seems we can't PAY the corporate media in this country for coverage like this

Good for the UK Guardian for bringing us news the cowards here give scant attention.

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Response to EYESORE 9001 (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 08:32 AM

9. It isn't the right wing narrative.

Without the data on those calls it's useless. Trump can claim he called to tell them to protest peaceably or maybe called to tell Bannon to take a shower before coming to the insurrection er rally.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 07:51 AM

3. And there it is.

He orchestrated the whole thing. He might not have known every little detail, but it was all done at his request. It's always seemed more than likely that he did it, but there's testimony now. There's no reason not to indict his ass.

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Response to Haggard Celine (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 08:27 AM

8. Sounds like the mob was getting intelligence from the White House and members of the

House and Senate. Trump put a target on Pence's back.

A regular tourist day, my ass.

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Response to Haggard Celine (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 08:52 AM

13. You wont get an indictment let alone a conviction. Why?

Because the phone calls discussing ways to try and block Bidens certification are not evidence that he helped orchestrate the attempted insurrection itself.
Now, do I personally think he was involved? Yes, but that is simply my personal opinion.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 09:15 AM

15. Unless some of the people at the Willard Hotel

flip and testify that that's exactly what he did. A long shot, and you have to make a jury believe them and not Trump, But someone may have to cut a deal to avoid prison.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 11:41 AM

31. it's been reported that many are talking.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #31)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 01:17 PM

39. Now we're really talking "the art of the deal."

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 06:31 PM

45. Why are Victorian Toensing and Joseph diGenova not mentioned at the Willard war room?

I'm sure they are happy to have their names kept out of it.

But they were instrumental.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #45)

Wed Dec 1, 2021, 05:15 PM

51. Maybe they are the ones

talking to the committee and telling them everything.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 07:51 AM

4. Are domestic media too afraid of this story?

Hell, it's only our Constitution and freedom at risk.

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Response to Boomerproud (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 08:20 AM

5. +1

At risk of paying taxes...corporate media is for corporate profits.

We had a sitting President orchestrating an attack on our Country and it's Representative government, this is second to secession before the Civil War?

This was an act of war.

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Response to Bluethroughu (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 09:42 AM

21. Exactly,

The perception that MSNBC is the voice of liberal common sense is a manufactured and managed perception created by people like Vanguard and Blackrock to get more money. MSNBC is owned and managed by Wall Street and Big Pharma. You won't ever see a msnbc anchor push for single payer health care. Why do you think so many msnbc anchors got fired when they had high ratings? Sure would be nice to see Keith Olbermann and Dylan Ratigan on msnbc prime time, wouldn't it?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 08:21 AM

6. Here's the actual article.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/nov/30/donald-trump-called-top-aides-capitol-riot-biden

Hours before the deadly attack on the US Capitol this year, Donald Trump made several calls from the White House to top lieutenants at the Willard hotel in Washington and talked about ways to stop the certification of Joe Biden’s election win from taking place on 6 January.

The former president first told the lieutenants his vice-president, Mike Pence, was reluctant to go along with the plan to commandeer his largely ceremonial role at the joint session of Congress in a way that would allow Trump to retain the presidency for a second term.

But as Trump relayed to them the situation with Pence, he pressed his lieutenants about how to stop Biden’s certification from taking place on 6 January, and delay the certification process to get alternate slates of electors for Trump sent to Congress.

The former president’s remarks came as part of strategy discussions he had from the White House with the lieutenants at the Willard – a team led by Trump lawyers Rudy Giuliani, John Eastman, Boris Epshteyn and Trump strategist Steve Bannon – about delaying the certification.

Multiple sources, speaking to the Guardian on the condition of anonymity, described Trump’s involvement in the effort to subvert the results of the 2020 election.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 08:34 AM

10. Why are these "multiple sources" afraid to go public with their information?

The president of the United States committed insurrection, a crime punishable by fines and imprisonment. I would think if they have any patriotism they would be knocking on Garland’s door at least (and perhaps they have—it’s just frustrating to see nothing after a crime was committed nearly a year ago).

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 08:26 AM

7. Does Merrick Garland know this?

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Response to yardwork (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 08:41 AM

12. If we know it...hw knows it.

JMHO, but I think that all of t his will addressed after Biden gets his BBB passed and possibly the Voting Rights Act.
If the indictments come down before the agenda is passed it will never happen because the MSM will go ape shit wild and the right will go nuts. Legislation first...indictments after.

JMHO

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Response to FalloutShelter (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 10:16 AM

27. BBB isn't going to pass this year or next thanks to Manchin

 

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Response to FalloutShelter (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 12:23 PM

33. That sounds reasonable.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #33)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 11:52 PM

49. It needs a special prosecutor

N/t

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 08:36 AM

11. The Boebert lady

was seen giving Capitol tours to seditionists pre 1/6, has the FBI or secret service talked to her?

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 09:47 AM

23. Probably. I think that's why BooBoo's freaking out more than usual.

The noose may be ightening around that pencil thin neck.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 01:20 PM

40. Works for me!

She’s got NO business occupying a seat in Congress. Her “seat” should be in a jail cell.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 09:06 AM

14. Yeah. We really ought to do something about this. It would be really nice if we did.

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 09:20 AM

16. You think? I don't know...

Maybe some serious thumb-twiddling first. What could it hurt?

(to be sure)

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Response to dchill (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 09:28 AM

17. For a couple of years, at least! Because it's a lot of work, you know. And for some reason they

can't hire more help with that work to get it done before those idiots trash the next election.

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 09:36 AM

19. One shouldn't spend too much time pondering the efficacy...

...of applying the brakes when one is fast approaching a cliff.

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Response to dchill (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 09:40 AM

20. Yes. Because we just don't know if the brakes are already considering engaging or not. We won't

know until we either stop or go off the cliff. And it's presumptuous of us to suggest we know better than the brakes. Braking is their job, after all.

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 09:51 AM

24. Sad but great analogy.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #24)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 03:14 PM

43. Reporter: We should totally write about this!

Post-consolidation Corporate Editor: Good idea! Gimmee 2000 on how antilock brakes add cost to each vehicle yet some say they are of questionable value.

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 06:33 PM

46. well played nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 09:35 AM

18. The key to Insurrection #2 is to bury the records from Insurrection #1

That will allow them to do better next time. That's why TFG is trying to prevent the House Select Committee on Jan 6 from getting his records.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 09:44 AM

22. The Appeals court is meeting

right now as we post to decide about releasing those White House records to the select committee, The 3 judge panel were all appointed by Democratic presidents. This will surely go to the SC, hopefully expedited.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 09:56 AM

25. K&R for exposure

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 10:15 AM

26. PAGING MERRICK GARLAND!

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 10:27 AM

28. I think the timing is going juuuust right...

The public's outage is always a short term thing. The hammer needs to come down, but not yet. A meticulous, solid case must be made right before the primary season starts to have enough impact to overcome the Republican rigging of the next election through gerrymandering and propaganda. Don't give the Trumpists time to twist the narrative(s), and hammer them with their lies throughput the campaign season.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 10:39 AM

29. The nightmare that has been TFG isn't as bad, but still haunts. Any one of us would be behind bars

by now. What makes his lily ass so precious that he walks about day after day even still without an officer's knee in his back???

Arrest this motherfucker! He's a nobody!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 10:51 AM

30. If we truly can't bring ourselves to prosecute him for this

then we don't deserve to remain a democracy.

To not go after this in every way possible is sheer insanity.

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Response to Crunchy Frog (Reply #30)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 11:50 AM

32. Time is on our side, not his...Arrest for treason etc..up to Biden, not us.

And if you think Joe has not thought about this, (arresting Trump)..then you are a shmo

and not Joe...... ...Yes you got to have a little humor, once in a while ...(and it is very, very little)

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Response to Crunchy Frog (Reply #30)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 12:36 PM

35. Agree. And SCOTUS knows this, too.

They know they'll be a kangaroo court if they deny documents to Congress.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #35)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 01:28 PM

41. I wish I felt as solid about this as you do.

With people like Thomas, Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Island on the bench, I don’t trust that they’ll make good or just rulings. Just can’t get there. And would be TOTALLY delighted to be wrong on this.

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Response to calimary (Reply #41)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 03:49 PM

44. I feel you. They vote by what Roberts thinks is SCOTUS legacy in helping Congress, and therefore

being a viable branch of government. They are, in fact, the Third Branch.

Because if they don't support Congress (the First Branch) getting archival documents, they're nullifying a few hundred years of defined norms and would weaken the Second Branch's executive branch power over the National Archives, which weakens the historical record of government.

The only next remedy would then be to keep Democrats in the majority in both houses in 2022 and proceed with Judicial Branch reform at the federal level.

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Response to calimary (Reply #41)

Wed Dec 1, 2021, 12:25 AM

50. The difference now is they made it to the top

And nothing Trump can do, they have more power than him. So every one of those justices will do what they want. It won't be for Trump. They used him to get the job that's it.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 12:35 PM

34. Without phone records there's no proof, just s/he-said sources.

It's one thing to claim this -- at this late date, too -- this connection from the WH to the Willard. It's another to prove the connection.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 12:38 PM

36. The Slobfather will soon crash and burn

His days are numbered - the rats are jumping ship and soon they will all pretend that they never supported him - the truth will not set him free - take that to the bank.

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Response to malaise (Reply #36)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 12:49 PM

37. Hoping. Though his indictment looks grim, you got me wanting to believe.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 01:16 PM

38. K&R

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 08:47 PM

47. Tick tock



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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 10:27 PM

48. Get both Liz Harrington under oath and the call records...

Then get TFG….

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