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Max Rose, on MoJo, just accused Dems of 'acting like masks are fun', and ripped the NYC vax mandate (Original Post) Celerity Dec 2021 OP
I do think that masks are a lot more fun than a ventilator. tanyev Dec 2021 #1
+1 Celerity Dec 2021 #2
That's me too Bettie Dec 2021 #4
Hey, maybe I can get the hospital to give me one of those "Bane from Batman" mouth Carlitos Brigante Dec 2021 #6
Yep Mad_Machine76 Dec 2021 #15
Well, a cloth mask is better than nothing, and picking a nice design for the day RandomNumbers Dec 2021 #43
Don't agree with Max on some of the issues (including these) aeromanKC Dec 2021 #3
He does damage to the Party as a whole by giving internal life and breath Celerity Dec 2021 #5
Precisely this. (Nt) FreepFryer Dec 2021 #30
Agree, and there's no need to be that RW in SI, radius777 Dec 2021 #46
Dumb comment but Elessar Zappa Dec 2021 #7
Who? marmar Dec 2021 #8
here Celerity Dec 2021 #9
Max Rose voted for Trump's impeachment. lapucelle Dec 2021 #10
So did Cheney and Collins tenderfoot Dec 2021 #27
You're absolutely right: It was a BFD. lapucelle Dec 2021 #32
Is there a better Democrat running for this seat with even a remote possibility of winning? karynnj Dec 2021 #12
I spent 15 years volunteering on SI trying to get Democrats elected. lapucelle Dec 2021 #16
"Max Rose is exactly the type of Democrat who stands a chance of getting elected there." tenderfoot Dec 2021 #28
The data refute the claim that Max Rose "legislated like a Republican". lapucelle Dec 2021 #31
You don't really expect people to research their rants, do you? brooklynite Dec 2021 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author brooklynite Dec 2021 #55
I don't, but the outpouring of hate for Democrat Max Rose by those who apparently know little lapucelle Dec 2021 #58
This Sort Of Thing Is Why He LOst In The First Place Me. Dec 2021 #11
Rose lost because his opponent successfully painted him lapucelle Dec 2021 #17
I Will Disagree In Part Me. Dec 2021 #18
I'm not sure if he "smacks Democrats like Pelosi", lapucelle Dec 2021 #20
Yes But It Seems Ms. Rice Has Had A Change Of Mind Me. Dec 2021 #23
Then he didn't take a noted stance on the issue, that was #1 world wide uponit7771 Dec 2021 #49
What issue didn't Rose "take a noted stance" on? lapucelle Dec 2021 #50
On police reform including de-funding the police, the GQP televised... uponit7771 Dec 2021 #51
Rose had an op-ed in the SI Advance entitled "Defunding the police is shortsighted and wrong". lapucelle Dec 2021 #52
She's never running for Speaker again Polybius Dec 2021 #21
We'll See If Most Of Her Members Will Let Her Quit Me. Dec 2021 #22
Depends how we do in 2022 Polybius Dec 2021 #24
I love masks. They keep me safe from all bad germs and I'm gonna keep wearing them. CTyankee Dec 2021 #13
And I don't have to check my nose for buggers Polybius Dec 2021 #25
Are they FUN, though? maxsolomon Dec 2021 #26
What is this FUN of which you speak? CTyankee Dec 2021 #34
That's the topic of the OP, no? maxsolomon Dec 2021 #35
Ah, Yes. Thank you. CTyankee Dec 2021 #37
So, he's back to being the same sort of dumbass that lost his last election. W_HAMILTON Dec 2021 #14
What are you talking about? lapucelle Dec 2021 #33
If you aren't aware of him and his history... W_HAMILTON Dec 2021 #36
I know about Max Rose both as a candidate and as a representative. I'm a New Yorker lapucelle Dec 2021 #39
And it's going to be an even bigger challenge... W_HAMILTON Dec 2021 #40
Sorry, but the actual facts don't support the catagorical, boilerplate claims. N/T lapucelle Dec 2021 #41
They do, and you aren't the arbiter of this matter. W_HAMILTON Dec 2021 #42
Sorry, but the facts don't back up the absurd claim that Max Rose lapucelle Dec 2021 #45
Such a claim was never made. W_HAMILTON Dec 2021 #47
The best thing for the Democratic Party is for the Democratic candidate for NY-11 to win the general lapucelle Dec 2021 #48
As has been said... Staten Islnad Cha Dec 2021 #60
Who? nt Tommy Carcetti Dec 2021 #19
Well, he's not wrong about de Blasio Polybius Dec 2021 #29
Yeah I am unclear if we're are supposed to pretend cinematicdiversions Dec 2021 #59
masks are a lot more fun than catching covid or watching others get it librechik Dec 2021 #38
I'm going to have to assume this person you speak of is 13 years old, because Maru Kitteh Dec 2021 #44
The second part is certainly true... brooklynite Dec 2021 #53
I'm sure some people here will feel that I'm"boasting"... brooklynite Dec 2021 #56
Who is Max Rose and why is whatever he says relevant? Spider Jerusalem Dec 2021 #57

Carlitos Brigante

(26,497 posts)
6. Hey, maybe I can get the hospital to give me one of those "Bane from Batman" mouth
Tue Dec 7, 2021, 10:41 AM
Dec 2021

pieces for the ventilator. That'd be fun!! A skull one for Halloween...... if I'm still alive by then. Wheeeh!!

It's insane that we keep having to explain this.

RandomNumbers

(17,573 posts)
43. Well, a cloth mask is better than nothing, and picking a nice design for the day
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 06:34 PM
Dec 2021

can indeed be fun.

I'm vaxxed x3 and not high risk, and I don't have to mingle with people often. So yeah, masks actually ARE fun. Having to pick one out means I'm getting out of the house / home office for a change.

aeromanKC

(3,322 posts)
3. Don't agree with Max on some of the issues (including these)
Tue Dec 7, 2021, 10:29 AM
Dec 2021

But glad he is running in his right of center "swing" district. He seems perfect for that district.

Celerity

(43,134 posts)
5. He does damage to the Party as a whole by giving internal life and breath
Tue Dec 7, 2021, 10:36 AM
Dec 2021

to these RW talking points and attacks.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
46. Agree, and there's no need to be that RW in SI,
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 07:11 PM
Dec 2021

which is still NYC despite being right leaning. A centrist Dem candidate can win there without being such a tool.

All Rose's FoxNews talking points do is suppress Dem turnout, since Dems in SI are ideologically the same as anywhere else in the boroughs, ie working class liberals who would be put off by the type of attacks/positions Rose takes.

Let Rose try that crap with Eric Adams, he would floor him.

Elessar Zappa

(13,912 posts)
7. Dumb comment but
Tue Dec 7, 2021, 10:45 AM
Dec 2021

he’s probably the best we can hope for in Staten Island. Until recently it was solidly Republican.

Celerity

(43,134 posts)
9. here
Tue Dec 7, 2021, 11:07 AM
Dec 2021

Democratic Rep. Max Rose calls de Blasio worst mayor in history of NYC





Rose: I Have Zero Allegiance To Dems, Support Trump

https://shorefrontnews.com/2020/10/06/max-rose-i-have-zero-allegiance-to-dems-support-trump/

” I have zero allegiance to the Democratic Party, zero,” declared Max Rose to Vanity Fair. The freshman Congressman is running for reelection in a district where President Donald Trump won by 10%, and is more popular today than in 2016. A recent rally for Trump and the Republican Congressional challenger Nicole Malliotakis drew 2,500 visitors and millions of views online.

Rose was one of the last Democratic holdouts during impeachment, going so far as to pen an op-ed in opposition to it. Yet, he proved not strong enough to stand up to his party leadership even when it was obviously against his interest to impeach the President. Had Rose taken a stance and voted against impeachment, he would’ve been a shoe-in today. He didn’t, choosing instead to go on MSNBC to attack the President’s “very clear obstruction” and now despite being an incumbent, he finds himself in the position of an underdog trying to claw back.

Rose repeatedly issued statements in support of Trump and attended his events, followed by press releases that made him sound like the President’s fan boy. Shortly after voting to impeach him, Rose attacked his Republican opponent Nicole Malliotakis for not supporting Trump. The President responded with an endorsement of Malliotakis and a public attack on Congressman Rose that called for his ouster.



https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/10/max-rose-donald-trump-house-democrats-impeachment-inquiry

I have zero allegiance to the Democratic Party, zero,” Max Rose says emphatically as we chase a meatball pizza with a few Bud Lights at Denino’s Pizzeria in Elm Park, a postindustrial neighborhood of Staten Island. Rose, of course, had plenty of reasons to distance himself from the party. Last year, the 32-year-old veteran became only the second Democrat since 1981 to win a congressional race in New York’s Trump-friendly 11th district, in large part by pitching himself as a political outsider. “I am a populist,” he tells me, before clarifying that he is of the “non-xenophobic” variety. Days later, he published an op-ed that argued against impeaching Donald Trump.

Rose’s independent streak would be tested, less than a month later, by the unfolding Ukraine scandal. “It shouldn’t be something that anyone wants to do,” he told me Thursday afternoon, explaining why he decided to reverse course and support an impeachment inquiry. It’s also a dangerous choice, for a representative whose district went for Trump by 10 points in 2016, and Rose didn’t come to a conclusion lightly. “I think you know by now that I’m a pretty decisive person.”

Decisiveness—or perhaps more accurately, bluntness—is indeed one of Rose’s more winsome qualities. In the eight hours that I traveled with him around Staten Island last month, I got to see firsthand how Rose charmed the borough: engaging in spirited debate with Republicans at a picnic, calling for a ban on assault weapons in a church, slamming the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee’s “poll-tested bullshit,” laying into fellow New Yorker Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s Green New Deal as a “socialist lie” and, awkwardly, joining a Zumba class on the FDR Boardwalk. At just five-foot-six, he doesn’t cut a towering figure. But he is a pit bull of a man, emanating a no-holds-barred attitude. A former Army platoon leader who was awarded a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart for his service in Afghanistan, the freshman Democrat lacks all pretense.



Rep. Max Rose: Why I oppose Trump impeachment

https://www.silive.com/news/2019/09/rep-max-rose-why-i-oppose-trump-impeachment.html

By Max Rose

For the past decade, the American people have been sending a clear and unmistakable message: End the hyper-partisanship and do your jobs. Yet, both parties have taken electoral victories as mandates to ignore that message to do what they want. It must stop.

Republicans across the country ran on a proactive agenda in 2016: To drain the swamp, rebuild our roads and bridges, and protect Social Security and Medicare. What they did instead was pass a trillion-dollar tax cut for the very companies that created the opioid epidemic. I fear the Democratic Party is now at risk of repeating a similar bait-and-switch mistake by focusing on impeachment instead of infrastructure, healthcare costs, and putting people to work with livable wages and benefits.

Let me be clear, we have made real progress this year, including permanently extending and fully funding the 9/11 Victim Compensation Fund, passing the most sweeping anti-corruption legislation in a generation, and bipartisan gun safety reforms.

But there’s far too much work left to be done and we are in danger of losing the trust of the American people if we choose partisan warfare over improving the lives of hardworking families. I made a promise to my constituents to focus on making their lives better, and I won’t break it.





Max Rose to Run for House, Seeking a Rematch Against Malliotakis

Mr. Rose, a moderate Democrat, lost to Representative Nicole Malliotakis, a Republican, by six percentage points last year in a conservative New York City district that includes Staten Island.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/06/nyregion/max-rose-congress-malliotakis.html

Max Rose, a moderate Democrat who lost his congressional seat last year amid a resurgence of Republican power in parts of New York, announced on Monday that he was mounting another run for Congress, setting up a national political battleground in New York City.

The race for New York’s 11th Congressional District, currently held by Representative Nicole Malliotakis, a Republican, could be one of the most competitive in the metropolitan area next year, along with possible races on Long Island.

Depending on the contours of the district — which now includes Staten Island and a slice of south Brooklyn — following the redistricting process, the contest may also represent one of the Democrats’ more promising pickup opportunities. The party is straining to maintain its congressional majorities heading into a grueling midterm campaign environment, and a number of Democratic incumbents have decided to retire.

The race may also offer a revealing snapshot of how Democrats in key battlegrounds choose to position themselves, after the Republican Party gained ground over the last year by portraying Democratic candidates as anti-law enforcement.

lapucelle

(18,187 posts)
10. Max Rose voted for Trump's impeachment.
Tue Dec 7, 2021, 11:23 AM
Dec 2021

There’s an awful lot of text above. Does any of it mention that Max Rose voted to impeach Trump?

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
12. Is there a better Democrat running for this seat with even a remote possibility of winning?
Tue Dec 7, 2021, 11:31 AM
Dec 2021

If not, what is the point of getting angry that he is attacking De Blasio, who will soon be an out going mayor who has weak approval numbers in NYC - and poor numbers in Staten Island. It is almost always hyperbole to claim someone is the worst - and NYC has had worse mayors, but this seems simply a way to eliminate an albatross that Republicans will try to put around his neck.

I assume the GIST of what he is attempting to say is judge me for who I AM, not whether you like Democrats. He has a record of positions that are conservative for a Democrat. No one is asking you to back him, give him contributions or volunteer for him. I would guess that even if you lived in his district, that would be a ridiculous ask. However, what if his old seat becomes that seat that determines if a Democrat or a Republican is the speaker?

When Max Rose won in 2018, it was considered an upset. He was never going to be liked on a progressive board. However, if the ONLY vote we like is who he votes for as speaker, that alone is worth hoping he wins.

As to harming other Democrats by taking positions - like being against mask mandates, which IS different from being against wearing masks - he does not have the visibility to "hurt" other Democrats on this.

lapucelle

(18,187 posts)
16. I spent 15 years volunteering on SI trying to get Democrats elected.
Tue Dec 7, 2021, 02:12 PM
Dec 2021

It’s solidly red. Max Rose is exactly the type of Democrat who stands a chance of getting elected there. Losing that seat was heartbreaking.

tenderfoot

(8,425 posts)
28. "Max Rose is exactly the type of Democrat who stands a chance of getting elected there."
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 01:45 AM
Dec 2021

State that you're a Democrat but legislate Republican like Joe Manchin and Krysten Sinema.

lapucelle

(18,187 posts)
31. The data refute the claim that Max Rose "legislated like a Republican".
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 06:52 AM
Dec 2021


Max Rose is a Moderate Liberal
https://www.ontheissues.org/NY/Max_Rose.htm

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For comparison, here's Cori Bush.



Cori Bush is a Moderate Liberal
https://www.ontheissues.org/House/Cori_Bush_HouseMatch.htm
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In addition , on 538, Nate Silver calculated that, based on his district's voting demographics, would be expected to vote with Trump's agenda 62% of the time. He voted with the Republicans 9% of the time.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/max-n-rose/

Response to brooklynite (Reply #54)

lapucelle

(18,187 posts)
58. I don't, but the outpouring of hate for Democrat Max Rose by those who apparently know little
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 07:59 AM
Dec 2021

about either him or Staten Island politics is troubling.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
11. This Sort Of Thing Is Why He LOst In The First Place
Tue Dec 7, 2021, 11:27 AM
Dec 2021

did he repeat his promise to never vote for Nancy Pelosi?

lapucelle

(18,187 posts)
17. Rose lost because his opponent successfully painted him
Tue Dec 7, 2021, 02:19 PM
Dec 2021

as part of what she called the “defund the police crowd” because he marched with George Floyd protestors and voted for the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act.

Voting for Trump’s impeachment was also held against Rose by the predominantly red voters of Staten Island.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
18. I Will Disagree In Part
Tue Dec 7, 2021, 03:43 PM
Dec 2021

Because he has a tendency to smack on DEms like Nancy P.... and while Staten Island is not the land of the Dems he needed everyone he could get. And though I don't live on ST there were aspects of his last campaign ads and interviews that I found annoying and if he had been my rep I would've still voted for him but others may not have done so.

lapucelle

(18,187 posts)
20. I'm not sure if he "smacks Democrats like Pelosi",
Tue Dec 7, 2021, 04:41 PM
Dec 2021

although he did announce that he would not vote for her as Speaker if elected. My own representative (Kathleen Rice) has made similar statements calling for new leadership.

Max Rose did need every vote he could get. On SI that involves winning over Republican leaning independents and registered Republicans. Staten Island Democrats are aware of the challenges of winning elections in that district, and Max Rose (like Kathleen Rice in my district and Tom Suozzi in a neighboring district) is the type of Democrat who is electable there.

As for his being "annoying", shame on any Democrat in that district who withheld a vote from him. They know what's at stake.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
23. Yes But It Seems Ms. Rice Has Had A Change Of Mind
Tue Dec 7, 2021, 08:47 PM
Dec 2021

and frankly, I don't care to see any Dem , right now, being "honest' about Dems or the party. We cannot afford naysaying unless we want the Cons in charge again. WE get plenty of that from the media and the cons.

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
51. On police reform including de-funding the police, the GQP televised...
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 09:45 PM
Dec 2021

.... That De funding the police was going to be there wedges you in 2020 and the reaction in the DNC was very muted much like with CRT.

We can't lie like they do but we also can't let their lies stand without reaction

Democratic message mechanics needs to be better.

lapucelle

(18,187 posts)
52. Rose had an op-ed in the SI Advance entitled "Defunding the police is shortsighted and wrong".
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 09:57 PM
Dec 2021
https://www.silive.com/news/2020/07/defunding-the-police-is-shortsighted-and-wrong-opinion.html?fbclid=IwAR0rV8Ha5LWSmtMXUNNCCLorzHxG_etYf4-fRbAoGYV6Wbxhi_hk9TSWM38

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Rose voted for the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act and marched with BLM on Staten Island.

In historic day, hundreds block Hylan, rally outside 122nd Precinct

https://www.silive.com/news/2020/06/scores-gather-in-concord-for-march-to-122nd-precinct.html

CTyankee

(63,893 posts)
13. I love masks. They keep me safe from all bad germs and I'm gonna keep wearing them.
Tue Dec 7, 2021, 01:15 PM
Dec 2021

With them I avoid seasonal flu and colds and I dunno what else. At my advanced age, I need to take care not to catch bad stuff.

I also don't need to wear any makeup either (except for my eyebrows which I fill in with eye pencil.)

CTyankee

(63,893 posts)
34. What is this FUN of which you speak?
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 12:16 PM
Dec 2021

Nothing is fun when you are old. I'd like to travel to Europe this year and the restrictions and hoops you have to jump to leave and then come back are NO FUN.

maxsolomon

(33,252 posts)
35. That's the topic of the OP, no?
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 12:51 PM
Dec 2021

This Staten Island douchbro is saying Dems are contending that Masks are FUN.

W_HAMILTON

(7,840 posts)
14. So, he's back to being the same sort of dumbass that lost his last election.
Tue Dec 7, 2021, 01:24 PM
Dec 2021

Yesterday, I asked if Rose learned his lesson after his recent electoral loss that maybe he shouldn't spend most of his time attacking other Democrats; I guess he answered that with a resounding NO.

What a fucking idiot.

I hope someone challenges him in the primary. Better yet, go run as a fucking Republican if all you have to offer voters is whining about Democrats.

lapucelle

(18,187 posts)
33. What are you talking about?
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 10:49 AM
Dec 2021

It’s not like he runs around with his hair on fire calling Democrats dumbass fucking idiots.

W_HAMILTON

(7,840 posts)
36. If you aren't aware of him and his history...
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 12:53 PM
Dec 2021

...maybe go educate yourself on the subject before commenting.

lapucelle

(18,187 posts)
39. I know about Max Rose both as a candidate and as a representative. I'm a New Yorker
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 02:35 PM
Dec 2021

who has volunteered for local and national Democrats for decades. I lived on Staten Island for a quarter of a century. My work still brings me there. I know the district quite well, and I know the challenges of electing Democrats there.

So to get back to my question, what are you talking about? It’s not like Max Rose runs around with his hair on fire calling fellow Democrats “dumbass fucking idiots”.




W_HAMILTON

(7,840 posts)
40. And it's going to be an even bigger challenge...
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 08:34 PM
Dec 2021

...when the Democratic standard-bearer there is shitting on other Democrats and the Democratic Party as well.

He should run as a Republican rather than cost us Democrats more electoral losses by running on our ticket while shitting on anything and everything Democratic.

W_HAMILTON

(7,840 posts)
42. They do, and you aren't the arbiter of this matter.
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 06:28 PM
Dec 2021

If anyone cares, they can go and check his repeated history of disparaging Democrats and the Democratic Party; or, if they don't want to, they can just keep an open ear going forward, because it looks like Rose hasn't learned a damn thing from his last electoral loss and plans to double down on shitting on Democrats and the Democratic Party once again.

As I said, hopefully DEMOCRATS don't make the mistake of nominating him again.

lapucelle

(18,187 posts)
45. Sorry, but the facts don't back up the absurd claim that Max Rose
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 06:37 PM
Dec 2021

is a Better off running as a Republican.

W_HAMILTON

(7,840 posts)
47. Such a claim was never made.
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 07:58 PM
Dec 2021

I couldn't care less what is better for Max Rose.

I care what is better for the Democratic Party, and in this particular case, that would be not having this electoral loser and party backstabber run on our DEMOCRATIC ticket again while disparaging us Democrats and our party.

It's really not that high of a bar to cross and yet he apparently learned nothing from this losing tactic last time around.

lapucelle

(18,187 posts)
48. The best thing for the Democratic Party is for the Democratic candidate for NY-11 to win the general
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 08:01 PM
Dec 2021

in November.



Cha

(296,875 posts)
60. As has been said... Staten Islnad
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 09:51 PM
Dec 2021

won't elect just any Dem.. and we need all the Blue Seats we can get!

librechik

(30,674 posts)
38. masks are a lot more fun than catching covid or watching others get it
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 01:13 PM
Dec 2021

I don't get why these babies are so against putting on the adult size diapers and taking responsibility for themselves.

Did they succeed in turning back the clock to pre-penicillin days?

What ignorant jerks. Rose and his ilk know better.

Maru Kitteh

(28,323 posts)
44. I'm going to have to assume this person you speak of is 13 years old, because
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 06:35 PM
Dec 2021

Grownups understand that “fun” is irrelevant to matters of disease prevention and public health.

brooklynite

(94,373 posts)
56. I'm sure some people here will feel that I'm"boasting"...
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 10:06 PM
Dec 2021

…but I know Max personally. He’s a real Democrat. He’s NOT as progressive as many people here would like. That type of candidate will never get elected in Staten Island.. But perhaps ideological principle is more important than political success?

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