Holda Hold it! Is this true???

[underpants]

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[iemanja]

1. Fox lost the war on Christmas.

[Klaralven]

2. No, there were Galatians, for example.

[OnDoutside]

3. Is that the Battlestar Galatians ?

[rsdsharp]

4. Led by Commander Ben Cartwright?

[OnDoutside]

6. The very one !

[dchill]

37. Adama ben Cartwright?

[rsdsharp]

45. From Tatooine?

[dchill]

49. The planet Ponderosa!

[rsdsharp]

51. You win!

[Thomas Hurt]

10. Celts from Europe who went to central modern Turkey. Paul went to proselytize them it seems.

[EYESORE 9001]

5. I get her point

but I thought of Pontius Pilate right away. Figures, only white guy in the Bible.

[rsdsharp]

9. What about Charlton Heston?

Oh, wait. That was a novel by the Governor of Bew Mexico.

Never mind.

[aggiesal]

41. I don't believe Roman's are considered white ...

I do believe that some of the Apostles went as far north as the Scandinavian region.

[Solomon]

7. There are several passages in the bible about someone or their hand or body part turning white

from disease. I think one of the stories even features Moses. The implication being, they weren't white to begin with. Turning white was a sign of leprosy and disease.

I don't feel like looking them up but I remember being shown the passages several decades ago.

Not saying it's true that there are no white people in the bible, but I think people would be shocked to know most of their biblical heroes, Jesus being one of them, were not white.

[Klaralven]

42. Jews aren't white? Do Jews consider themselves to be people of color?

[cinematicdiversions]

50. Jews are like Italians (Another group that I swear made an appearance in the Bible)

White people only exist north of the Seine... everyone else is a person of color.

[Solomon]

53. No. Jews aren't considered white. That's why

Hitler tried to eliminate them.

[Klaralven]

54. Races were defined in more categories than white and non-white in 19th century racism

Germans were part of the Aryan race. Jews were the Jewish race. Russians, Poles, etc were of the Slavic race.

I doubt that Hitler made any white, non-white distinctions. But then I haven't read Mein Kampf.

[wnylib]

48. Actually, nobody is white,

except albinos.

Even "white" people come in many skin shades, hair colors, and eye colors, from Italian and French to Dutch and Scandinavian, as well as some people in Iran and Afghanistan. And many European tribes entered Europe from western Asian steppes. Are they Asian or European?

The eastern Mediterranean region, or Middle East, was a crossroads in Biblical times between Europeans, Semitic people (Canaan, Israel, Egypt, Babylonia, Arabia, and numerous tribes), Ethiopia (Nubia), Indo-European speaking Hittites, Hurrians, and ancient Persians, to name just a few. Language does not mean the same as ethnicity or "race," though. Consider the number of Native Americans, African Americans, and Asian Americans who speak the Indo-European English language. And yet, terms like Caucasian, Indo-European, white, and European are often used interchangeably.

So the OP use of "white" is meaningless. All of those people intermixed genetically, by choice in marriage, or by being captives of one another in the numerous wars of the region.

Greeks and Romans are mentioned often in the Bible. Would they be considered "white" compared to lighter complected Persians and Arabs? Paul preached to Jewish settlements in Greece and Rome, where some Jews had lived since the earliest days of the Roman Republic and even before. During the period of Greek and then Roman rule over Judea, there were many partially assimilated Jews among Greeks and Romans, including Paul himself who was a Roman citizen. They intermarried.

It is true that most people of the Bible did not look like the stereotypical blue-eyed blond "white" person. Certainly Jesus did not look anything like the light brown haired, blue eyed man usually depicted in portraits. He probably had very dark brown wavy or curly hair, brown eyes, and an olive skin color.

[LeftInTX]

8. Define white...

Maybe her sign should say Northern Europeans.

[marie999]

14. Many people in or from the Middle East do not consider themselves White including my family.

Just because Trump would not let us have a different designation in the census doesn't mean we are White.

[LeftInTX]

18. I'm whiter than white people and here is my DNA for what it's worth

I'm 1/2 Armenian, but the Armenian side is fair

[abqtommy]

19. Actually, skin color is an evolutionary response to the distance from the equator that

individuals find themselves in. I have a website that shows how black, brown and
white-skinned folk all evolved in Africa then went on out into the world. If someone asked
me nicely I might provide links for this. Butcha know the Caucasians and Aryans? They
were located in Central Asia long before there were Northern Europeans. White folk
around in the middle east? You betcha!

And that's the truth.

[LeftInTX]

22. Well, my great grandfather was pale and had blue eyes and came from Turkey.

[abqtommy]

23. Thanks! Your reply is very welcome since I was kinda expecting something negative.

We've all gotta do the best with what we've got and who we are. While making sure to
ridicule fools, of course!

[geardaddy]

25. And the Turks came from Central Asia

So, yep, there were loads of white folks in Turkey before the Turks arrived.

[LeftInTX]

28. We're Armenian..native to Anatolia...the Turks came to from Central Asia, but

their DNA is only about 5% Central Asian.

I'm related to a few on Gedmatch.

The Central Asian Turks had kids with people who were native to Anatolia etc etc etc etc and the Central Asian became a small part of their genetics. It is really only a small part of their DNA.


I have no Central Asian DNA.

[geardaddy]

30. I think only the rulers

of the invading Turks we "Turkish" the existing population were Europeans and there were way more of them.

Culturally, they obviously are Turks now, not genetically.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

35. The intended audience self-identifies as "White". I identify them as the Qonned. . . nt

[question everything]

11. And? Is there a point?

[mahatmakanejeeves]

12. Noah; an albino

Well, how white is "white"?

Br Med J
. 1958 Dec 27;2(5112):1587-9. doi: 10.1136/bmj.2.5112.1587.
Noah; an albino

{snip}

The people who think Noah had albinism
By Damon Rose
BBC News, Ouch

Published3 April 2014

{snip}

Klaralven's reply is better.

[LeftInTX]

20. Weird...I really doubt it....

Seriously doubt it..

Mainly because albinism comes with some medical issues, which would make it hard to live to 900! LOL

Or mainly because albinism does have enough medical issues that would have made it hard to be a rough and tumble leader back then...

[librechik]

13. And so they can yell at us for "Happy Holidays!!??"

Fox is vomitous rat vomit on ice.

[Torchlight]

16. Just respond "All holidays matter!!!!"

It's what I've been doing this year with some family to shut them down for 30 minutes or so. Seems to be working.

[Torchlight]

15. 'Santa just is white ... Jesus was a white man too'

About five or six years ago, one of their barbie-or-ken-anchors read aloud that bit of tripe from a teleprompter without bursting into flame on-air.

Probably a lot of idiots to agreed with her. The most useful of those idiots tried to argue it was accurate. They don't speak of that much anymore. Probably for the best.

[11 Bravo]

21. Megyn Kelly. n/t

[Nevilledog]

24. ...

[Cracklin Charlie]

17. Their "tree" wasn't even a tree!

It was a metal framework stuffed with decorations.

Maximum phony.

[carpetbagger]

26. Pontius Pilate. The exception that makes the point. Nt.

[Ford_Prefect]

27. Nope! Never was and never were. Pilate was from Italian stock most certainly not Anglo-Saxon Pale.

[LeftInTX]

29. But was he "white"? Can you find out?

One thing about the bible: It was written by people who were not into illustrations or did not believe in giving graphic descriptions of how people looked....

[Ford_Prefect]

47. Since he did not live during the approximately 400 years covering Western slavery of Africans

in our hemisphere I rather doubt he'd qualify. Such distinctions as the "White Man's Burden" were primarily out of the British Empire and did not generally exist in the Roman Empire (BC or AD) as the same terms nor distinctions.

Racism is a relatively modern construct derived as it were from the need to elevate those who "owned" above disgrace and discussion for having treated other men so badly. The mythology generated about "inferior races" developed as a social protection for those men so deeply involved in the slave trade that buildings and streets in such places as Liverpool still reflect how powerful they were and how many lives they affected, and how close they once stood to the British Crown and Empire. It took root in American culture as well, as we have seen and heard all too often.

I find it absurd to say the least to consider that Pilate would be considered "white" in his own era or during the 600 or so years which passed between then and the written version of those events. Such a term may have been applied by those interpreting scripture during subsequent translation but I doubt it would be used in the same context as we apply it now.

[Klaralven]

52. While slavery was earlier primarily justified on the basis of religion, "the curse of Ham" is old

Justifications for slavery throughout the medieval period were dominated by the perception of religious difference. Slaves were often outsiders taken in war. As such, Hebrew and Islamic thinking both conceived of the slave as an "enemy within".[180] In the Christian tradition, pagans and heretics were similarly considered enemies of the faith who could be justly enslaved. In theory, slaves who converted could embark on the path to freedom, but practices were inconsistent: masters were not obliged to manumit them and the practice of baptising slaves was often discouraged.[181] The enslavement of co-religionists was discouraged, if not forbidden, for Christians, Jews, and Muslims alike. Consequently, northern European pagans and black Africans were a target for all three religious groups. Ethnic and religious difference were conflated in the justification of slavery.[181]

A major Christian justification for the use of slavery, especially against those with dark skin, was the Curse of Ham. The Curse of Ham refers to a biblical parable (Gen. 9:20–27) in which Ham, the son of Noah, sins by seeing his father inebriated and naked, although scholars differ on the exact nature of Ham’s transgression. Noah then curses Ham’s offspring, Canaan, with being a "servant of servants unto his brethren". Although race or skin color is not mentioned, many Jewish, Christian and Muslim scholars began to interpret the passage as a curse of both slavery and black skin, in an attempt to justify the enslavement of people of color, specifically those of African descent.[182] In the medieval period, however, it was also used by some Christians as a justification for serfdom. Muslim sources in the 7th century allude to the Curse of Ham gaining relevance as a justifying myth for the Islamic world’s longstanding enslavement of Africans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_medieval_Europe

Also see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Saharan_slave_trade

[LeftInTX]

55. You know that it was against the ancient Jewish religion to draw or depict people?

It was a violation of one of the 10 commandments. (Though shalt not make graven images)

It is also forbidden in Islam. (Remember when someone created a firestorm when they drew Mohammad?? It is against the Moslem faith to even describe what Mohammad looked like)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aniconism_in_Judaism

That is why you do not read descriptions of how people looked. The only ones that I know of are: Goliath was tall...And Samson had a bunch of hair.

However, the Greeks and Romans were into drawing people early on.

This is a Roman fresco from 40 AD



Roman fresco from 4th Century BC



There are no Jewish murals or frescos from this time period.

[caraher]

31. Whiteness is a pretty modern construct

So yes, true.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

33. Race is an early modern construct, disproved by science. Yeah, that thing.

All whites came out of Africa. Question is:

Were they emigrating or were they kicked out?

[caraher]

38. I guess by "modern" I mean "since biblical times"

As for emigration vs. getting kicked out of Africa - interesting question!

[Klaralven]

44. Race may be disproved, but if White means color, the people at Pantone can define it

https://www.pantone.com/

Pantone LLC is a limited liability company headquartered in Carlstadt, New Jersey.[1] The company is best known for its Pantone Matching System (PMS), a proprietary color space used in a variety of industries, notably graphic design, fashion design, product design, printing and manufacturing and supporting the management of color from design to production, in physical and digital formats, among coated and uncoated materials, cotton, polyester, nylon and plastics.

X-Rite, a supplier of color measurement instruments and software, purchased Pantone for US$180 million in October 2007,[2] and was itself acquired by Danaher Corporation in 2012.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantone

[TheProle]

32. How does this advance the Democratic agenda?

For all the derision DU casts on the "own the libs" mentality, there seems to be a lot of energy spent on the left's version of it.

I know this is General Discussion and all (most) topics are allowed, but this seems rather masturbatory.

[Torchlight]

40. I found it satirically humorous

But I'm guessing we see what we want to see.

[TheProle]

43. A little old hat

But mileage may vary with humor, and I understand the sentiment.

I still question the strategy of "You're an idiot, now vote for us."

Granted there are some idiots who are lost causes, electorally speaking.

But there are also a lot of ignorant people who can be educated in a non-condescending manner and brought into the fold, shepherdly speaking.

[Torchlight]

46. I don't think this is supposed to be a strategy

I think sometimes a funny is just a funny, and trying to force it as something other than what it is creates complexities where there would otherwise be none.

[Red Pest]

34. So Ainsley Earhardt thinks the Fox Christmas Tree is about ... Hanukkah...??? Really???

So, let me understand this - a Christmas tree, popularized by the German family brought over to England to become the monarchy, is not just a symbol of Christmas, but is somehow also about Hanukkah - the winter festival of Judaism to commemorate the victory over the Greek Syrians who tried to ban Judaism in their empire. So we Jews have it all wrong, we should stop with the lighting of candles in the hanukkiah (a menorah used for Hanukkah). Or perhaps we should burn a Christmas tree on each night of Hanukkah ( in case anyone thinks that I am serious). Oh oh, I know, we should burn candles shaped like Christmas trees in the hanukkiah. [More ]

Also Jews who have lighter skin are only technically white.

[LeftInTX]

36. You got it...

And the OP with the blonde holding the sign detracts from the real story!

And the real story is the Fox News fake Hanukkah Christmas tree....

[underpants]

39. 👆this

Epic.

[LeftInTX]

56. If you are Jewish and you are playing us, it is going over our heads..LOL

I just got to thinking about the ancient "graven images" thing...duh, then there are no descriptions of white or black or brown people in the bible..LOL

I think the only descriptions are: Goliath was tall and Samson had a bunch of hair.

But there could have been all these white, black and brown people in the Holy Land during Abraham, Moses, King David, Jesus etc.

Maybe it was even a cosmopolitan rainbow coalition...

We will never know due to the forbidden graven images.....