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DetlefK

(16,425 posts)
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 03:09 PM Dec 2021

The election-nullification Powerpoint has a very telling detail...

https://www.salon.com/2021/12/11/inside-the-38-page-powerpoint-trumpworld-used-to-justify-its-campaign-to-overturn-2020/

As the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 Capitol riot continues its work, reports suggest it is closely scrutinizing a PowerPoint document filled with conspiracy theories and several plans to overturn the 2020 election results.

The 38-page file turned over by former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows was titled "Election Fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 JAN" and was circulating "on the hill" in the days prior to Jan. 6, according to a letter Rep. Bennie Thompson, the select committee's chairman, sent to Meadows' attorney earlier this week.


I've read through the presentation. It's basically a condensed version of all the conspiracy-theories you have heard how the Democrats stole the election via China hacking into venezuelan servers in Germany or something like that.

Anyways.

If you look at the style and format of the presenation, you will find an interesting glimpse into the mind of the person who made the presentation.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210716135230if_/https://www.ingersolllockwood.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/voter-fraud.pdf
It's 36 pages long, but there's only 6 footnotes.

Footnotes are important in a presentation:
* In academia, footnotes show who gets credit for which work.
* In industry, footnotes show who is responsible for what.
* Anything without a footnote is by implication either a) original content by the author or b) common knowledge that can be found in so many sources it's literally impossible to list them all.



6 footnotes in 36 pages. That means that whoever made that presentation was NOT worried about being challenged about the accuracy of the information.
This was not a presentation to serve as a starting-point for a discussion and conclusion.
Instead, this presentation was a post-hoc justification for a conclusion that had already been made.

They had already decided to not accept the election-result BEFORE they came up with the China-Venezuela-Germany-server-thingy as to WHY the result shouldn't count.
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The election-nullification Powerpoint has a very telling detail... (Original Post) DetlefK Dec 2021 OP
Or it just indicates that the person pull the points out of their asses. Claustrum Dec 2021 #1
Throwing all the spaghetti, Cracklin Charlie Dec 2021 #2
Pretty flimsy excuse for a deus ex machina EYESORE 9001 Dec 2021 #3
The biggest story is how the national news providers are playing the attack down . . and now ShazamIam Dec 2021 #4
+100 I like the way you think! nt abqtommy Dec 2021 #5
Well said. c-rational Dec 2021 #6
+1. The greedy hand of the one percent is behind all of this, radius777 Dec 2021 #16
Reminiscent of the story of, The Businessmen's Plot," during FDR days. FDR warned us, if you ShazamIam Dec 2021 #19
Good point , interesting point. No expectations of challenges Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #7
Have to disagree.... brooklynite Dec 2021 #8
Perhaps depends on field Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #9
power point footnotes? seriously? Locrian Dec 2021 #11
It can be. But only familiar with finance world. I think the point made by OP Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #18
My experience also ... BUT RandomNumbers Dec 2021 #13
The presentation is really about "Excuses we can use for overturning the election" mrsadm Dec 2021 #10
There Is The 3 Page Letter Dated November 8, 2020 DallasNE Dec 2021 #12
Thank you. brush Dec 2021 #14
Did it explain how to count ballots in Florida after the 2000 election? LiberalArkie Dec 2021 #15
Grassley said about Pence and 1/6. "We don't expect him to be there." sarcasmo Dec 2021 #17
It was done Corgigal Dec 2021 #20

Claustrum

(4,893 posts)
1. Or it just indicates that the person pull the points out of their asses.
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 03:14 PM
Dec 2021

They simply can't cite where it came from other than Q or some random person on the internet said it.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
2. Throwing all the spaghetti,
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 03:18 PM
Dec 2021

At all the walls.

Was Trump still on social, at that time? I think it might be revealing to go back and look at a bunch of people’s social media.

EYESORE 9001

(26,450 posts)
3. Pretty flimsy excuse for a deus ex machina
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 03:24 PM
Dec 2021

It couldn’t be more implausible if the hand of god reached down and ‘corrected’ ballots personally.

ShazamIam

(2,624 posts)
4. The biggest story is how the national news providers are playing the attack down . . and now
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 03:47 PM
Dec 2021

seem to be dismissing it as just a lark by a bunch of incompetents. It is and was backed by conservative billionaires, the same ones who went along with even assisted with the email story, went along with the Russian interference, then gave the microphone to those who denied the Russian interference.

Each new revelation of the plot is dismissed by the media as, just a bunch of kooks and Trump.

radius777

(3,702 posts)
16. +1. The greedy hand of the one percent is behind all of this,
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 06:18 PM
Dec 2021

they're the ones who funded the stop the steal stuff, the voter suppression movement (which didn't begin with Trump, it was standard Republican policy in the Obama era), anti-abortion bills, anti-gay bills etc. They own the Supreme Court. They don't want democracy. The alt-right clowns and insurrectionists are the visible face of Trumpism but the 'invisible hand' is that of the one percent.

ShazamIam

(2,624 posts)
19. Reminiscent of the story of, The Businessmen's Plot," during FDR days. FDR warned us, if you
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 11:07 AM
Dec 2021

allow their wealth to accumulate unfettered, they will control the government. (None of that directly quoted from anyone).

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
7. Good point , interesting point. No expectations of challenges
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 04:17 PM
Dec 2021

Of information. In numerical and financial slides footnotes serve to fully explain #s - where they came from, estimated growth, what a number includes etc. etc.

Lots of local covid charts lack any footnotes of explanation. Makes me very leery of data.

Thanks for link

 

brooklynite

(96,641 posts)
8. Have to disagree....
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 04:20 PM
Dec 2021

I've prepared and read hundreds of PP presentations. Almost none have footnotes. They're useful for citations, but those come in more substantial written documents. A Powerpoint is generally a "follow the bouncing ball" outline summarizing what the presenter is telling the audience.

Locrian

(4,523 posts)
11. power point footnotes? seriously?
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 05:47 PM
Dec 2021

PowerPoint - while widely used everywhere) is anything but academic.

It is really good for thought leaders though

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
18. It can be. But only familiar with finance world. I think the point made by OP
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 10:47 PM
Dec 2021

Tho, in this situation, is very valid

RandomNumbers

(17,889 posts)
13. My experience also ... BUT
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 05:52 PM
Dec 2021

If I am making any claim that is remotely controversial or debatable, I usually give the most high-powered attribution I can find for the point of view I am proclaiming.

Usually for me, it would be in recommending one software system or approach over another, and I would tend to try to support my argument. That is assuming I feel I need to persuade someone of my POV.

I think the point of the OP is that this powerpoint clearly was not trying to persuade anyone - it assumes the audience is ready to buy into everything it is presenting.

DallasNE

(7,450 posts)
12. There Is The 3 Page Letter Dated November 8, 2020
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 05:48 PM
Dec 2021

That first surfaces the China thingy as being grounds to contest the outcome of the election, claiming that China hacked 8 battleground states. They were just dusting stuff up off of the shelves.

sarcasmo

(23,968 posts)
17. Grassley said about Pence and 1/6. "We don't expect him to be there."
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 06:45 PM
Dec 2021

The Power Point Coup was shown to certain members of the Senate and Congress.

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
20. It was done
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 11:13 AM
Dec 2021

for that fat ass who use to sit in the Oval Office. For a con, he’s not hard to con. Just tell him what he already thinks, and then make it pretty. Sold. The easiest former President ever to meet.

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