Sat Dec 11, 2021, 03:09 PM
DetlefK (16,423 posts)
The election-nullification Powerpoint has a very telling detail...
https://www.salon.com/2021/12/11/inside-the-38-page-powerpoint-trumpworld-used-to-justify-its-campaign-to-overturn-2020/
As the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 Capitol riot continues its work, reports suggest it is closely scrutinizing a PowerPoint document filled with conspiracy theories and several plans to overturn the 2020 election results.
The 38-page file turned over by former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows was titled "Election Fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 JAN" and was circulating "on the hill" in the days prior to Jan. 6, according to a letter Rep. Bennie Thompson, the select committee's chairman, sent to Meadows' attorney earlier this week. I've read through the presentation. It's basically a condensed version of all the conspiracy-theories you have heard how the Democrats stole the election via China hacking into venezuelan servers in Germany or something like that. Anyways. If you look at the style and format of the presenation, you will find an interesting glimpse into the mind of the person who made the presentation. https://web.archive.org/web/20210716135230if_/https://www.ingersolllockwood.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/voter-fraud.pdf It's 36 pages long, but there's only 6 footnotes. Footnotes are important in a presentation: * In academia, footnotes show who gets credit for which work. * In industry, footnotes show who is responsible for what. * Anything without a footnote is by implication either a) original content by the author or b) common knowledge that can be found in so many sources it's literally impossible to list them all. 6 footnotes in 36 pages. That means that whoever made that presentation was NOT worried about being challenged about the accuracy of the information. This was not a presentation to serve as a starting-point for a discussion and conclusion. Instead, this presentation was a post-hoc justification for a conclusion that had already been made. They had already decided to not accept the election-result BEFORE they came up with the China-Venezuela-Germany-server-thingy as to WHY the result shouldn't count.
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DetlefK | Dec 2021 | OP |
Claustrum | Dec 2021 | #1 | |
Cracklin Charlie | Dec 2021 | #2 | |
EYESORE 9001 | Dec 2021 | #3 | |
ShazamIam | Dec 2021 | #4 | |
abqtommy | Dec 2021 | #5 | |
c-rational | Dec 2021 | #6 | |
radius777 | Dec 2021 | #16 | |
ShazamIam | Dec 2021 | #19 | |
Laura PourMeADrink | Dec 2021 | #7 | |
brooklynite | Dec 2021 | #8 | |
Laura PourMeADrink | Dec 2021 | #9 | |
Locrian | Dec 2021 | #11 | |
Laura PourMeADrink | Dec 2021 | #18 | |
RandomNumbers | Dec 2021 | #13 | |
mrsadm | Dec 2021 | #10 | |
DallasNE | Dec 2021 | #12 | |
brush | Dec 2021 | #14 | |
LiberalArkie | Dec 2021 | #15 | |
sarcasmo | Dec 2021 | #17 | |
Corgigal | Dec 2021 | #20 |
Response to DetlefK (Original post)
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 03:14 PM
Claustrum (4,589 posts)
1. Or it just indicates that the person pull the points out of their asses.
They simply can't cite where it came from other than Q or some random person on the internet said it.
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Response to DetlefK (Original post)
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 03:18 PM
Cracklin Charlie (12,849 posts)
2. Throwing all the spaghetti,
At all the walls.
Was Trump still on social, at that time? I think it might be revealing to go back and look at a bunch of people’s social media. |
Response to DetlefK (Original post)
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 03:24 PM
EYESORE 9001 (23,016 posts)
3. Pretty flimsy excuse for a deus ex machina
It couldn’t be more implausible if the hand of god reached down and ‘corrected’ ballots personally.
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Response to DetlefK (Original post)
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 03:47 PM
ShazamIam (2,396 posts)
4. The biggest story is how the national news providers are playing the attack down . . and now
seem to be dismissing it as just a lark by a bunch of incompetents. It is and was backed by conservative billionaires, the same ones who went along with even assisted with the email story, went along with the Russian interference, then gave the microphone to those who denied the Russian interference.
Each new revelation of the plot is dismissed by the media as, just a bunch of kooks and Trump. |
Response to ShazamIam (Reply #4)
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 03:52 PM
abqtommy (14,118 posts)
5. +100 I like the way you think! nt
Response to ShazamIam (Reply #4)
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 06:18 PM
radius777 (3,446 posts)
16. +1. The greedy hand of the one percent is behind all of this,
they're the ones who funded the stop the steal stuff, the voter suppression movement (which didn't begin with Trump, it was standard Republican policy in the Obama era), anti-abortion bills, anti-gay bills etc. They own the Supreme Court. They don't want democracy. The alt-right clowns and insurrectionists are the visible face of Trumpism but the 'invisible hand' is that of the one percent.
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Response to radius777 (Reply #16)
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 11:07 AM
ShazamIam (2,396 posts)
19. Reminiscent of the story of, The Businessmen's Plot," during FDR days. FDR warned us, if you
allow their wealth to accumulate unfettered, they will control the government. (None of that directly quoted from anyone).
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Response to DetlefK (Original post)
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 04:17 PM
Laura PourMeADrink (41,672 posts)
7. Good point , interesting point. No expectations of challenges
Of information. In numerical and financial slides footnotes serve to fully explain #s - where they came from, estimated growth, what a number includes etc. etc.
Lots of local covid charts lack any footnotes of explanation. Makes me very leery of data. Thanks for link |
Response to DetlefK (Original post)
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 04:20 PM
brooklynite (86,904 posts)
8. Have to disagree....
I've prepared and read hundreds of PP presentations. Almost none have footnotes. They're useful for citations, but those come in more substantial written documents. A Powerpoint is generally a "follow the bouncing ball" outline summarizing what the presenter is telling the audience.
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Response to brooklynite (Reply #8)
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 05:40 PM
Laura PourMeADrink (41,672 posts)
9. Perhaps depends on field
Response to brooklynite (Reply #8)
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 05:47 PM
Locrian (4,508 posts)
11. power point footnotes? seriously?
PowerPoint - while widely used everywhere) is anything but academic.
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Response to Locrian (Reply #11)
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 10:47 PM
Laura PourMeADrink (41,672 posts)
18. It can be. But only familiar with finance world. I think the point made by OP
Tho, in this situation, is very valid
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Response to brooklynite (Reply #8)
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 05:52 PM
RandomNumbers (17,162 posts)
13. My experience also ... BUT
If I am making any claim that is remotely controversial or debatable, I usually give the most high-powered attribution I can find for the point of view I am proclaiming.
Usually for me, it would be in recommending one software system or approach over another, and I would tend to try to support my argument. That is assuming I feel I need to persuade someone of my POV. I think the point of the OP is that this powerpoint clearly was not trying to persuade anyone - it assumes the audience is ready to buy into everything it is presenting. |
Response to DetlefK (Original post)
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 05:44 PM
mrsadm (1,193 posts)
10. The presentation is really about "Excuses we can use for overturning the election"
Response to DetlefK (Original post)
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 05:48 PM
DallasNE (7,276 posts)
12. There Is The 3 Page Letter Dated November 8, 2020
That first surfaces the China thingy as being grounds to contest the outcome of the election, claiming that China hacked 8 battleground states. They were just dusting stuff up off of the shelves.
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Response to DetlefK (Original post)
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 06:04 PM
LiberalArkie (15,126 posts)
15. Did it explain how to count ballots in Florida after the 2000 election?
Response to DetlefK (Original post)
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 06:45 PM
sarcasmo (23,242 posts)
17. Grassley said about Pence and 1/6. "We don't expect him to be there."
The Power Point Coup was shown to certain members of the Senate and Congress. |
Response to DetlefK (Original post)
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 11:13 AM
Corgigal (9,291 posts)
20. It was done
for that fat ass who use to sit in the Oval Office. For a con, he’s not hard to con. Just tell him what he already thinks, and then make it pretty. Sold. The easiest former President ever to meet.
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