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[traitorsgalore]

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[Kingofalldems]

1. Who is in charge of the 'bigger plan'?

[traitorsgalore]

4. We are

We could put people in office that will hold traitors accountable instead of letting them go free for months/years at a time.

[zaj]

2. If zero Trumpers severed on a jury, maybe...

But the Feds prosecute based on overwhelming evidence. 90+% conviction confidence. And this being so easily and likely politicized, it requires overwhelming confidence.

Losing this kind of prosecution would expand the MAGA political power and legitimize "the big lie".

High standards.
Slow motion.
Zero mistakes.

I get it.

[zaj]

10. I expended my thinking in a post below.

I will defer the discussion to that "thread".

[SheltieLover]

17. They should have ALL been locked up long ago, including slob

If we are hearing about all this now, imagine what DOJ has...

[CentralMass]

3. It is hard to fathom how an obvious act of sedition and violent coup attempt

Is going to be swept under the rug but I suspect that it will.

It seems like the current narrative uis that airing what went down in public is going to be enough. It is not.

[Johnny2X2X]

5. You don't have to guess

They won't, move along.

[CrispyQ]

6. I'll give them until after the first of the year.

But if we haven't seen anything more than what we've already seen by spring, then the midterms are going to be gruesome. I hope Cheney's reading of the emails is a peek at what's to come. I hope the DOJ makes some bold moves. Some of the sentences I've seen for the Jan 6th insurrectionists seem pretty easy. Q-shaman got one of the harsher ones. We didn't stand in long lines & risk our well being just for some roads & bridges, nice as those things are. We want accountability! The other side has a HUGE enthusiasm edge at this point.

[traitorsgalore]

12. Agreed, as I have no choice but to wait

I like that all of their crimes are being made public and getting a lot of press, at least that's something. Perhaps public sentiment/outrage will be enough by the Spring to pressure the Dept. of Justice into action.

[Grasswire2]

19. ohyeah

And this time no "marching" with crepe paper whales and drummers and stilt walkers and jugglers.

This time, we march with the purpose that the Civil Rights movement conveyed.

Peaceful, but dead serious purposeful.

This is no time to speak softly.

[zaj]

8. I will say that it's an extremely difficult position. You are justified in your frustration.

And your assessment of the dangerous situation we are in, is right.

But the challenge isn't the a weak justice system. It's the broken culture.

In a prior era, without a powerful right-wing propaganda network, we would have a widespread national consensus that this was a criminal act with an underlying criminal conspiracy. Legal prosecution would be more simple.

But we live in a political dystopia and there is no easy path toward holding power accountable in a divided world where one side of the power owns a powerful propaganda network, and effectively uses it to hold power. Their propaganda *really* works.

American Democracy is threatened, not by a deliberative judicial system, but by a corrupt political party and a propaganda system.

So we are left with 2 choices:

1) Getting the committee's work right is what matters right now. Liz Cheney doing the fact-finding before 2022 (AND creating the only potential political pathway for consensus around long-term accountability). Then recognizing that Biden will control the White House and the AG's office after the 2022 election, so legal prosecution can follow.

2) Lowering the standards of Federal proscutions and increasing the chances that "moderates" turn against the entire thing, believing it's a partisan witchhunt. If that is allowed to happen, we will likely end up in a Trump 2024 dystopia, and we will end up with a
real Civil War.

Getting these prosecutions right, means going slower than we want. But it might be the difference between democracy and civil war.

[louis-t]

9. I do like what's happening now.

Every day, more and more evidence is put out. The emails to Meadows from the faux news idiots is interesting. You have to get a majority of people to understand how wrong it was and how deep it went. They can't explain it away so they lie, rationalize. I think turning the public slowly against these criminals is a good strategy.

[traitorsgalore]

13. Agreed.

[uponit7771]

14. We don't have a message mechanics that allows for majority of people to even agree

... that an economy with a GDP that is high and 4.6 unemployment is good.

We are still going through as a party of figuring out the message channels for humans in America have changed

With good message your mechanics I can trust this but we don't have good message mechanics as a party

[Sneederbunk]

15. There will be no accountability unless the DOJ pulls the trigger.

[SheltieLover]

18. This!👆

I mean, it's not as if any of these traitors were a Black man selling individual cigarettes on a street corner!

[Demsrule86]

22. Knowing something and proving it are two different things...What evidence do you refer

to?