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Fri Dec 17, 2021, 01:24 AM

So Columbia U study says Omicron is likely vaccine and booster resistant. Yet I hear Fauci

say we don't need to develop an Omicron vaccine at this time.

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CU
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-covid-columbia-university-study-shows-omicron-resistant-to-vaccines-20211216-73x6jmf3xrblxmyjn3drtku52a-story.html%3foutputType=amp

Fauci
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/covid-omicron-variant-vaccine-fauci/&ved=2ahUKEwjf1vKJiur0AhUZkokEHXxmD3IQ0PADKAB6BAgEEAE&usg=AOvVaw2Dh-exsuSk6twqCUHyzyyG

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Reply So Columbia U study says Omicron is likely vaccine and booster resistant. Yet I hear Fauci (Original post)
Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 OP
Hoyt Dec 2021 #1
Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #10
Poiuyt Dec 2021 #2
SunSeeker Dec 2021 #4
Elessar Zappa Dec 2021 #3
wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #5
ARPad95 Dec 2021 #6
mucifer Dec 2021 #7
Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #8
Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #9

Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Fri Dec 17, 2021, 01:28 AM

1. Sure hope the science resolves this quickly. Tend to accept Fauci's

 

judgement. But he did waffle on masks, perhaps under pressure from trump.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 17, 2021, 10:17 PM

10. Sadly "waffle on masks" means people got sick and some died :(

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Fri Dec 17, 2021, 01:33 AM

2. I heard having the booster is key to warding off omicron

BTW, when is "fully vaccinated" going to mean having all three shots?

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Response to Poiuyt (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 17, 2021, 01:42 AM

4. If it's been 6 months, you're not "fully vaxxed."

After 6 months, Pfizer goes from being†87% effective to 45%. J&J is even worse, dropping to only 13% effectiveness. https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211105/covid-vaccine-protection-drops-study#:~:text=Meanwhile%2C%20the%20Pfizer%2FBioNTech%20vaccine,13%25%20over%20those%206%20months.

To me, having the Pfizer or Moderna booster means you're fully vaxxed.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Fri Dec 17, 2021, 01:41 AM

3. The studies I've seen indicate

that the booster is indeed effective but just the two shots arenít.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Fri Dec 17, 2021, 01:49 AM

5. Study hasn't been peer reviewed

 

Also:

The study only involved a handful of patients and it made no effort to discover whether omicron might cause less or more severe illness.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Fri Dec 17, 2021, 02:10 AM

6. Here is hospitalizations data for the period 11/17/2021 - 12/14/2021 in my county in New York

https://covid19.ongov.net/data/#hospitalizations

COVID-19 Hospitalizations by Age Group and Vaccination Status, Onondaga County, 11/17/21-12/14/21

As you'll see, the hospitalizations for FULLY VACCINATED exceed the UNVACCINATED in the 70-79 and 80-89 age groups because the vast majority in those age groups are fully vaccinated and breakthrough cases are being reflected.

On the other hand, the youngest age groups (0-19, 20-29, 30-39) and the 50 - 59 age group the hospitalizations for the UNVACCINATED far exceed hospitalizations for the FULLY VACCINATED. I wonder if the 50 - 59 age group has a lot of anti-vaxxers?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Fri Dec 17, 2021, 06:37 AM

7. Israeli study says booster is effective.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03592-2

Fauci is probably going by the Israeli data. They have been boosting more of their population earlier than us.

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Response to mucifer (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 17, 2021, 09:48 PM

8. Interesting. And per Reuters

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Response to mucifer (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 17, 2021, 10:02 PM

9. Early data - UK study Level of severity in Omicron NOT proving lower than Delta

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