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@fshakir
We were driving around Michigan yesterday and Bernie Sanders saw a community health center Cherry Health MI and wanted to pop in.
Doctor: Bernie, what are you doing here?!
Just wanted to thank you for the work youre doing and hear from you"
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@fshakir
Bernie Sanders standing with the striking Kellogg's workers in Michigan and going to the picket lines
leftstreet
(36,078 posts)Great photos
Karadeniz
(22,270 posts)AllaN01Bear
(17,365 posts)tfg would probably throw paper towels at them. good on joe.
aocommunalpunch
(4,223 posts)C Moon
(12,188 posts)the former guy (trump).
Well, it only took me one time to google it. But it took me a long time to think about googling it. Never mind.
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)There's still a placeholder on page 750 of the latest version of the bill.
We all know that it's typical for politicians engage in photo ops during their spare time, but legislation can't be brought to the floor until it's actually written.
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https://www.finance.senate.gov/chairmans-news/finance-committee-releases-updated-build-back-better-text
caraher
(6,276 posts)Plus he does have a staff (do you really imagine that these amendments only get written in-person by senators themselves)?
Meanwhile we have a major labor action, and his presence brings the strike to the attention of people (many of whom are still buying Kellogg products ignorant (willfully and not) of their labor practices.
When you have Bernie's profile it's completely responsible to use it in this way.
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)is to actually do the hard work of legislating.
He had been working on that part of the bill with Senator Menendez.
Negotiations in the Senate over expanding the state and local tax deduction hit a new snag with two key lawmakers at odds over whether the plan should raise revenue for other spending priorities in President Joe Bidens economic agenda.
Senator Bob Menendez, a New Jersey Democrat, told reporters Monday that Senator Bernie Sanders has walked away from a previously-agreed-to plan that changes to the deduction be revenue neutral over the 10-year budget window, which would allow for a more generous tax break.
Sanders said on Monday he wants the reworked SALT deduction to raise revenue -- which he says could amount to a couple hundred billion dollars -- to pay for expanding dental and vision health coverage under Medicare.
We said that we believe that the SALT should be whatever is revenue neutral, Menendez said Monday. And thats what I thought we were doing. Now it seems that he has desires of using some of that revenue by cutting back.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-29/salt-cap-talks-falter-as-sanders-menendez-negotiate-details
questionseverything
(9,631 posts)lapucelle
(18,037 posts)- Senator Bernard Sanders, November 3, 2021
questionseverything
(9,631 posts)Celerity
(42,646 posts)that goes to the top 1% (which takes a minimum net worth of over 11 million usd just to qualify as a 1%er).
ProfessorGAC
(64,413 posts)If one's SALT deduction are $80k per year, I'd say they don't need the help the tax reduction provides.
Celerity
(42,646 posts)paleotn
(17,778 posts)Tribetime
(4,670 posts)lapucelle
(18,037 posts)I guess that's the "walking" portion of your equation.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-29/salt-cap-talks-falter-as-sanders-menendez-negotiate-details
paleotn
(17,778 posts)Who knows? Regardless, my point is I'm pretty sure Sanders and his staff can keep multiple balls in the air. Neither you nor I know what's going on outside of occasional news coverage. Just because he was in MI for a bit doesn't mean he and his staff aren't "doing the hard work of legislating."
George II
(67,782 posts)That's exactly what many of us have been saying about Manchin's negotiations.
What's the difference?
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)- Senator Bernard Sanders, November 3, 2021
questionseverything
(9,631 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....there were 23 votes in the Senate. His staff can't cast votes for judges and ambassadors and for other purposes.
paleotn
(17,778 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)paleotn
(17,778 posts)paleotn
(17,778 posts)Sorry, couldn't resist.
Tribetime
(4,670 posts)roody
(10,849 posts)is a lame argument.
I love that he is out with regular people trying to understand what real Americans are going through and NOT working on a tax deduction for people who are already wealthy.
dalton99a
(81,065 posts)Martin Eden
(12,802 posts)As politicians go, he is genuine.
liberalla
(9,165 posts)a kennedy
(29,462 posts)MustLoveBeagles
(11,563 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)MuseRider
(34,058 posts)Of course he is! Working for the people.
TexasTowelie
(111,292 posts)and ambassadors though.
questionseverything
(9,631 posts)I feel it is way more important to support the striking kelloggs workers
TexasTowelie
(111,292 posts)I support the workers cause, understand their grievances, and also their right to strike. However, the risk when engaging in a strike is that it could lead to termination of employment. Unless a worker is in a highly specialized skill in demand, I don't understand why Kellogg's would hire any of those workers back since they aren't satisfied with their job and could even present security risks. If the strike only last a few days, then I could see everyone reconciling with each other, but since it has lasted so long it most likely has led to animosity and hostility that from Kellogg's vantage point it may be best to start with a new workforce.
There may be more people that hear about the strike since Bernie attended, but I doubt that a strike on Kellogg's is going to have any substantial effect on the bottom line. A senator's real job (the one where they are paid a six-figure salary) is to negotiate and vote on legislation rather than attend a union rally. From what I understand further negotiation is needed on BBB. If Bernie wants BBB to pass then he needs to be in Washington D.C. performing the job that provides a paycheck rather than at a union rally Battle Creek, Michigan that will likely have no effect on the workers on strike.
questionseverything
(9,631 posts)The biggest reason I want the strikers to win is I want my food, including cereal made here
TexasTowelie
(111,292 posts)that leads me to believe that the food would still be processed (and yes, it is processed food) at the same location? If anything, the continuation of the strike makes it less likely that the jobs would remain in Michigan. It's the same mistake that the UAW made, they had a level of conceit believing that they were the only ones who could make vehicles to be sold to American consumers. The union and the management were both surprised when the foreign car producers caught up with that demand and offered superior products.
When faced with the option of buying products of comparable quality, most consumers are going to choose the product with the lowest price and won't even look at where the product originated.
questionseverything
(9,631 posts)I know supporting Americans making a decent living might be old fashioned but we will as long as its possible
TexasTowelie
(111,292 posts)However, that isn't true for everybody. A lot of Americans started driving foreign made vehicles because they were less expensive, were more fuel-efficient, or they were upset with all of the mechanical failures in American-made products, particularly from about 1975 through 1990.
One of my friends from high school and college was as much of a patriot and a conservative as anyone I know, yet his first vehicle was a Mitsubishi and his father had a Toyota rotary engine truck. The irony was that my friend's father joined the Army during World War II and was involved with codebreaking Japanese communications. I don't believe that either of them had an issue with union labor and dependability was the primary motivator in their decisions.
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)need him working on the SALT deduction compromise in Washington, like he promised.
- Senator Bernard Sanders, November 3, 2021
questionseverything
(9,631 posts)I am curious though, how much does a house have to cost, how much does a person need to make to get close to $80 grand? In salt cost
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)See how that works now? It includes state and local income taxes, sales taxes, commuter taxes, and property taxes. And Trump and the Republicans capped the deduction at $10,000, not $80,000.
No one has received any memos that BBB is dead, least of all US Senators who are supposed to be working on the legislation.
questionseverything
(9,631 posts)I think 80,000 is the number some democrats were hoping would replace the 10,000
To be clear I think property taxes on a modest home should be deductible but properties valued past a certain point should not have their taxes be deductible
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)questionseverything
(9,631 posts)How much money does a person have to make to be paying $80,000/year in salt?
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)The House bill raises the cap to $80,000 through 2030 and then reinstates the $10,000 cap.
Senate proposal:
Eliminate the cap for families with incomes under $400,000 - $550,000 and gradually restore the cap for the wealthy.
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As it stands in the 2017 Trump tax giveaway, the $10,000 cap will expire in 2025, and there will be no cap whatsoever on SALT deductions.
https://www.lohud.com/story/news/2021/11/19/salt-cap-congress-tax-deduction/8679684002/
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/19/house-democrats-pass-package-with-80000-salt-cap-through-2030.html
questionseverything
(9,631 posts)The 550,000 gets doubled for a couple according to what the nj senator wants
Rich guy problems
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)that $400,000 is not President Biden's number.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2021/12/01/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-jen-psaki-december-1-2021/
questionseverything
(9,631 posts)Basically jen is defending a tax cut for people making over $400,000/ year
If and its a big if
Thats where the totality of the bill leads us
She repeatedly says it wasnt Bidens priority
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)The best solution might be for the Senate to simply leave the $80,000 deduction cap in place in their version of the bill.
Anyone aligned with the progressive wing should be aware that every member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus voted in favor of the $80,000 cap. That might help to forestall toxic facebook and twitter punditry by folks unaware of the facts.
Anyone troubled that Ms. Psaki is equally willing to defend both the Congressional Progressive Caucus's vote in favor of raising the cap to $80,000 and the more moderate blue state senators who want a compromise cap tied to income levels of $550,000 and below needs to remember that this is President Biden's agenda and she speaks for his administration.
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Funny.
Happy Holidays! 🎄🎅
druidity33
(6,435 posts)whether you want them to be or not. These are Union workers working under a contract that they believe is not being upheld. Many of those jobs demand months of training. These workers were being FORCED to work 60+ hour weeks on pain of being fired. We need to support these workers. And we need to implore the company to pay the workers a better wage and hire more workers at those wages so that people don't have to work 60+ hour weeks! Denigrating the strikers is not cool, Texas.
nwliberalkiwi
(366 posts)Very much agree with you on the anti-union talk. Glad Bernie is there on the ground spotlighting the union members on the picket lines. Not only is the company hiring scabs, but they want to send the jobs out of country!!!
TexasTowelie
(111,292 posts)Last edited Sun Dec 19, 2021, 12:08 AM - Edit history (1)
Did you know that I was the region president for the Texas Public Employees Association when I worked for the state about 25 years ago? TPEA isn't a union; however, I did stick up for employee/retiree rights and benefits including organizing rallies and events. I also met with my state senator and state representative to advocate for our agenda.
I was recruited to join TPEA by another employee within the first three months of beginning employment after graduating college and was an active member for nearly 13 years afterwards. The agency that I worked for did not have a union chapter organized so I joined the group that could advocate for my interests. However, I did interact and coordinate with employees at other government agencies that had union representation. I never had any issues with the union members and as far as I know, they didn't have any issues with me.
Now that I've provided you some of my background, do you actually believe that I'm anti-union since you obviously reached a conclusion about me without knowing the facts?
TexasTowelie
(111,292 posts)The contract was being adhered to while the negotiations were taking place. The workers also rejected a tentative deal. While I support unions, I also recognize that companies are not required to pay any more than what they believe an employee is worth. Otherwise, everybody could form a union, sit out on strike, and demand that they are paid $250K a year because an expired contract still keeps their job unfilled.
Furthermore, I was a salaried worker (non-managerial) and I was FORCED to work up to 80 hours a week or risk being fired. I also didn't have the benefit of a union even though I would have joined, but the other employees had no interest in joining a union. From the perspective of some of those colleagues, the unions took a hit to their reputations because of corruption (most recently with the convictions of UAW officials in Michigan). I'm not intending to be anti-union with that statement, but I'm not going to avoid pointing out facts
I also did not receive any additional compensation beyond my salary or even straight comp time when I worked extra hours so I really don't want to be lectured by someone who hasn't walked in my one remaining shoe--hell, I haven't walked in that one shoe for the past 16 months, all I do is hop around on my walker hoping that I don't bust my ass. Considering that a lot of salaried workers put in extra hours each week as part of their jobs with no additional compensation, the employees at Kellogg's are not significantly different than anyone else that has been in the workforce for the last two or three decades. If someone wants to work an eight-hour day Monday through Friday and then be home for supper every night or going to soccer practice, then they are going to earn less than someone else that does put in the additional effort and is available to work outside of a traditional work schedule.
As stated above, if the striking workers have some skills that are essential then they will be rehired. If they don't posses an essential skill then they will likely be replaced. That's not intended to disparage the strikers, but once they step onto that picket line they are rolling the dice and making a gamble on being in an adversarial relationship with their employer. I don't wish any harm to any of the strikers, but there was no guarantee that their demands would be met.
I guess that anything besides 100% unwavering support could be considered as anti-union. However, pointing out that the working conditions aren't completely out of line with other companies, the fact that the strikers worked under an expired contract, and that employment is not guaranteed for anyone are factual statements rather than anti-union statements.
It does look like a tentative agreement will be voted on soon. Considering Kellogg's position about hiring non-union workers, I hope that the employees on strike come to their senses and ratify the agreement. They are on the brink of overplaying their cards and as brutal as it might be to work 80 hours a week, I can think of something even worse: being unemployed for 168 hours a week, living out in the cold or in a homeless shelter, and scrounging for food. Been there, done that. It's a matter of perspective.
druidity33
(6,435 posts)when Companies drag their feet. 80 hour work weeks are meant to break the workers. You sure this hasn't been staged by the company to divest of its contracts? If the Company wants to find an excuse to bring the factory and the workers elsewhere, they will find it. If the conditions are substandard here and the conditions are similar elsewhere, we should be lobbying for better pay IN THE INDUSTRY AS A WHOLE. What are their wages compared to fast food employees? And i'm sorry if you were management and taken advantage of as a salaried worker, but you took that gamble when you signed up for that shit. Your bias is showing... gotta make sure those shareholders make their profit!
TexasTowelie
(111,292 posts)You're also welcome to go lobby for whomever you wish. I'm in a wheelchair, and I'm lucky to get out of the apartment a couple times a week so I'm at the phase of my life where I cannot be an effective advocate for much of anything; particularly, when I have other challenges in my personal life and health issues that take priority.
BTW, I need to correct you and state that I was never a managerial level employee--I was a rank-and-file employee just like those that decided to strike at Kellogg's. As for my time working in the private sector, it wasn't a matter of the company working us to death in an effort to shut us down--it was actually the opposite because my employer was trying to attract new contracts and in the process they underbid those contracts so that the only way the company could meet its obligations was having us work around the clock. It was in our best interest to try and make the company successful even while making substantial sacrifices to our personal health and to our social lives; otherwise, everyone would have ended up unemployed. I was never considered for a managerial position because my technical and analytical skills were among the strongest at the employers where I worked. The joke of course was "those who can, do, those who can't get promoted."
You might also want to read post #98 since you erroneously made assumptions about my bias. That's the second error in your reply. You might want to read my profile also.
I'll be waiting for your apology.
questionseverything
(9,631 posts)And some how your employer convinced you it was for your best interest
Theres always another place to make a living
TexasTowelie
(111,292 posts)Yes having a job versus being unemployed was in my best interest even if I had to work extra hours. I don't need anyone to convince me that having a paycheck is better than not having a paycheck.
As for finding another job, there aren't many lead programmer jobs at property casualty insurance companies because of low turnover, particularly since I didn't want to leave Texas for various social and family reasons like my father having Parkinson's disease before he died.
The only times that I quit any jobs were when I quit my on campus job after graduating college and when I already had a job offer from another employer. I never jumped ship without a plan. Considering that I was putting in so many hours at work, when was I supposed to search for another job or schedule interviews without giving warning to the current employer that I was preparing to abandon them? Please answer my question since you are so knowledgeable and full of smugness.
questionseverything
(9,631 posts)There are other choices besides working your life away for people that dont give a damn about you
Sometimes less money isnt the end of the world
TexasTowelie
(111,292 posts)Or maybe you think that I should have gone to a homeless shelter instead. Or maybe I could have found another job, but it would have meant taking a pay cut of 25%-30% which also would have lead to going to a homeless shelter. Yes, I had a mountain of wonderful choices, but they weren't options that a rational person would choose.
Meanwhile, your comment stated:
And some how your employer convinced you it was for your best interest
If that isn't snark, what the hell is? Your insistence that it wasn't snark is .
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Bettie
(15,998 posts)these are people we can reach, a way our side can show that we are different than the other side (which supports management, in almost all cases).
Celerity
(42,646 posts)secondwind
(16,903 posts)StClone
(11,676 posts)My Presidential candidate with Warren. Many more years Bernie!
Roc2020
(1,603 posts)Great cause Bernie. Thanks for the support
George II
(67,782 posts)ornotna
(10,763 posts)ornotna
(10,763 posts)That should have been my reply.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)I suspect it is because they have guilty consciences. They know progressives doing progressive things shines a spotlight on moderates doing nothing. They support those moderates so they have to start barking in every thread highlighting what it means to stand up for, and with, the people.
Bernie is standing in solidarity with striking workers. If Joe Biden was out there doing what Bernie is doing, these folks would be singing his praises (as would I, and everyone else here, because standing with the workers is the right thing to do!), but because it's Bernie, the attack dogs come out to bark, bark, bark.
George II
(67,782 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)Or could it be that the situation is complex, the agreement tentative, and the workers are still striking on the picket line?
Hmm.
https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2021/12/sen-bernie-sanders-rallies-in-battle-creek-as-kellogg-strike-continues.html
https://www.npr.org/2021/12/17/1065303655/kelloggs-strike-tentative-deal
Go Bernie!! Power to the people!!
George II
(67,782 posts)Kellogg announces another tentative agreement with striking workers.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)I dont think it means what you think it means.
The workers are still picketing. Bernie is standing in solidarity with those picketing.
https://www.npr.org/2021/12/17/1065303655/kelloggs-strike-tentative-deal
Even as the Kellogg Co. and the union representing its cereal plant workers jointly announced a tentative agreement to put an end to the months-long strike at the company's four U.S.-based cereal plants, workers at a rally in Michigan criticized the deal in a hint that the strike could continue even longer.
"It's a Trojan horse that's been given to us that's going to allow us to basically harm ourselves down the road," said Trevor Bidelman, a mechanical technician at the Battle Creek plant and the president of the local union, at the rally.
Union members will vote over the next few days. Results are expected Tuesday.
Bernie is a true hero to the working class.
George II
(67,782 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)The agreement isnt certain. It hasnt been approved. The workers are still striking. The workers are still picketing.
And Bernie Sanders is standing with those workers.
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)- Senator Bernard Sanders
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https://www.finance.senate.gov/chairmans-news/finance-committee-releases-updated-build-back-better-text
PTWB
(4,131 posts)We are still trying to pass the BBB only because right wingers have been holding it hostage.
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)Certain provisions are past due.
No photo op is as important as keeping promises made to working and middle class families.
- Senator Bernard Sanders, November 3, 2021
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Take it up with them if you don't like it.
Meanwhile, Go Bernie!
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)so there is still nothing but a placeholder on page 750 of the bill. While I don't think it's fair for anyone to call him a "right wing obstructionist", it would probably be better for the country if photo ops were put to the side until the actual work is done.
Senators unwilling to craft a compromise for a section of the BBB bill called "Compromise on Deduction for State and Local Taxes" should probably just accept the House version of that portion of the bill and raise the SALT deduction cap to $80,000.
Since the entire Congressional Progressive Caucus voted for that particular tax break, anyone likewise aligned should probably "take it up with them if they don't like it".
Meanwhile, for anyone who has walked away to do other things,
Go back to the table! Do the actual work that you were elected to do!
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https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/578399-sanders-faces-difficult-choice-on-slimmed-down-budget-bill
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Nixie
(16,920 posts)when its nothing of the sort. Maybe some people realize there will be a lot of barking excuses for missing votes or voting with Republicans, even.
I knew youd find your way to this thread eventually. 😂
Nixie
(16,920 posts)Making things personal as possible doesnt really address that some people notice Senators who miss votes.
Or they notice others who vote with Republicans, which doesnt sound too progressive.
I dont think its making things personal to observe and comment on a pattern. Certain posters routinely disparage progressive leaders in threads that celebrate those leaders doing progressive things.
Pointing that out is somehow making it personal?
Nixie
(16,920 posts)also a pattern?
Its also a pattern for certain posters to make it seem like Bernies losses are about a few people here, but he was soundly rejected twice with many people voting besides certain posters.
So thanks for showing that pattern, as well. Its also very familiar.
But about this thread, maybe some people dont see missing votes as progressive when its the opposite. Voting with Republicans isnt progressive either.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)The pattern here, though, is quite clear: a progressive leader does something progressive, a thread is posted to celebrate that leader, and the usual suspects show up to shit all over that leader.
It happens every single time. That's a pattern.
When you said it seemed like I was making it personal by pointing the pattern out, were you saying you take it personally?
My profuse and sincere apologies if I hurt your feelings!!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)part of the pattern, it seems.
But since you have posts in this thread, its those that reveal your accusations about others. Its a familiar pattern, too.
Anyway, none of your comments are about the observation that missing votes isnt progressive. Voting for Republicans isnt progressive, either, so your personal distractions are kind of a fail here.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)🤣
Thanks for the revelations.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Youve got an active imagination, for sure! I bet that comes in handy when youre trying to do something creative.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)active, to which you got responses.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Ive found that pointing out inconvenient truths and calling out hypocrisy tend to get the most responses. Unfortunately, it also tends to make my posts less than popular with folks being admonished for their behavior.
But THANK YOU for noticing! I appreciate it. Hugs!!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)What a revealing post about you! Some posters have this pattern, as well. Some talk more about DUers than anything else.
Anyway, about this thread, it looks like some posters dont agree with you that missing votes is progressive and neither is voting for Republicans progressive.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Attacking progressive leaders or calling out posters who attack progressive leaders on a regular basis?
Once again, if you took that personally I am SO SO SORRY for hurting your feelings. That was not my intent at all.
Hugs!!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)with hurt feelings. Your comments sound like projection.
Back to the thread, it looks like calling missing votes progressive was a fail.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Hurt feelings? I am happier than a pig in shit! Ive got my favorite playmate to banter back and forth with.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)Thank you.
But it looks like your personal goals are still a fail it looks like others dont agree that missing votes means you are a progressive leader.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Have you forgotten? There is no greater amusement, remember?
Im dying!! 🤣🤣🤣
Nixie
(16,920 posts)but your many personal distractions are still a fail, considering it looks that others dont agree that missing votes makes one a progressive leader.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Im sure youre intentionally playing along now 🤣
Nixie
(16,920 posts)Please proceed. I love your irony about patterns, as well.
But its interesting you cant accept that missing votes doesnt make someone a progressive leader as you were trying to set up. LOL
Keep it going, please!! 🤣🤣🤣
Nixie
(16,920 posts)make someone a progressive leader.
LOL indeed.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)One more time and Ill be satisfied, can you do me that favor? Hugs!!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)your motives.
But it looks like you cant admit that missing votes doesnt mean someone is a progressive leader which means your personal comments about other DUers are off base as well. Edit:post 18 simply mentioned that Bernie missed votes.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Thats 10 times, RB. Ten. Times.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Later, buddy! Hugs!!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)Its appreciated, and also predictable.
Yes, bye and have a nice night. Were watching a movie, so time to go.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)I still cant believe you did it ten times in one thread. 🤣🤣🤣
Thanks for playing along.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)You could have answered with actual content way before 10 posts if your posts had any content besides personal distractions/obsessions.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)But youre getting closer!
r/selfawarewolves
Nixie
(16,920 posts)another personal fail.
It sounds like another distraction from the fact that you said missing votes makes someone a progressive leader when thats quite an unbelievable tangent, actually.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)I was talking about something much more specific (and much more amusing).
That's 11!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)I appreciate your revelations.
But none of this takes away from you trying to pass off missing votes as progressive leadership. LOL
PTWB
(4,131 posts)But if you're feeling distracted, then I suppose I am full of distractions! You, my friend, are full of amusements.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)For instance, trying to pass off missing votes as progressive leadership is pretty funny stuff.
I thought you were playing along to humor me before but now I'm not sure if it's intentional. Yikes!
12
Nixie
(16,920 posts)personal revelations. Its much appreciated.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)You're a very giving person, aren't you, RB?
Nixie
(16,920 posts)doesnt mean someone is a progressive leader.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Nixie
(16,920 posts)someone a progressive leader, and that has nothing to do with DUers. Its just common sense.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Nixie
(16,920 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)Nixie
(16,920 posts)The post you initially responded to was on topic in this thread about Bernies whereabouts and I found it very informative, actually. I always appreciate the efforts to add grounded commentary about the Independent from Vermont. Its often needed, as we see here.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Youre very welcome. Its my sincerest hope that youll be able to continue our banter without feeling so distracted. You mentioned how distracted you were feeling, repeatedly, and Im sorry I didnt acknowledge that sooner.
My mistake. Hugs!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)So this is another distraction which you just apologized for.
The topic of the thread is Bernie, what are you doing here. The first post you responded to was about Bernie missing votes.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Thats what Im apologizing for. I am sorry youre feeling distracted!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)No matter how much you want to discuss me, Bernie is the topic of this thread. Thread topic Bernie, what are you doing here?
PTWB
(4,131 posts)I wrote that the topic of many of your replies was your feeling distracted. I didn't say anything about the topic of the OP.
I replied to OP and created a sub thread with about malicious posters who have a pattern of attacking progressive leaders. Like clockwork, some of those usual suspects were kind enough to engage with me and bump this thread over, and over, and over.
Another Bump for Bernie!
For reference, you posted about feeling distracted seven times in this sub thread.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)LOL
But thanks again for your self confessions about your motives. None of that has to anything with this thread topic, though. The topic was Bernie's whereabouts, to which you apparently couldn't abide realistic commentary about his missed votes.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)You posted that you were feeling distracted seven times in this thread. If you weren't fishing for an apology, why did you post about feeling distracted so many times?
I'm just trying to help! I hope you get to feeling better.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)I have encouraged your self revelations, so it's been very informative. I've seen the same before 2019, though.
Anyway, this thread topic is Bernie's whereabouts -- the post that set you off was a mild informative post about Bernie missing votes. It wasn't anything "malicious."
PTWB
(4,131 posts)I'm not interested in your sub thread topic. Shouldn't that be evident by now? LOL!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)It's obvious that you are interested in DUers. I do agree that is your interest. Yes, it is very evident.
LOL
Yet, that doesn't change the fact that the post that apparently set you off was on topic about Bernie. It was a simple post about Bernie missing votes and probably didn't deserve this much angst in response.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Despite previously saying you were distracted seven different times in this sub thread? Maybe you're saying you're not distracted now, but were distracted last night when you wrote all those posts?
Thanks for the Bernie Bump, RB!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)I've just noted they are not on topic with this thread.
Thread title: "Bernie, what are you doing here!?"
I'm correcting my quote of the thread topic since I initially omitted the exclamation point that is in the thread title, which I've now included:
"Bernie, what are you doing here!?"
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Imagine what you may learn tomorrow, RB!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)Thanks for your many admissions in this thread, but it's more a noticeable "pattern" than anything learned.
Anyway, the thread is not about me, although it's hard to tell from your many posts about me. Thanks for your devotion.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)NOT A TANGENT! RB, you'd better write someone a letter to complain about a sub thread on a thread. Don't let them know it was of your own creation, though. LOL!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)about me! Thanks for your devotion.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)You initiated this banter. You choose to continue this banter. It is lighthearted and playful. You're serving my purpose of bumping this thread (amongst other amusements).
What else could I ask for on a beautiful Sunday morning? Hot coffee, banter with a dear friend, and a celebration of Bernie Sanders standing up for the people!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)My response was about the post that apparently set you off. Thats interesting you call talking about me banter. But Im apparently a hot topic for you, its undeniable. Thank you.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)We could be talking about a window licking circus elephant and I'd be happy to banter with you back and forth about it as long as it accomplished my goal.
Remember when I mentioned the usual suspects (Bernie bashers) who show up to these threads with predictable regularity?
Now imagine my amusement and sheer glee when I manage to convince one of those Bernie bashers to bump an OP celebrating Bernie Sanders... for hours, and hours, and hours.
How's the weather there, RB?
Nixie
(16,920 posts)your motives. I didnt even need to type so much since youve done it all yourself.
Thank you for your continued devotion to the subthread youve created about me!
PTWB
(4,131 posts)When someone explains something to you that you did not understand initially, that is an explanation, not a confession.
I hope you're having a fine morning. I just got a package (delivered by USPS on a Sunday, more and more common these days) and have some fantastic coffee today. It's a real treat.
One of the skills I learned in business when managing people is that almost everyone has value, even if it appears initially that they've got nothing to offer the company or the team that they've been assigned to. A good manager can find their value and help them realize it. And at first, that employee is rarely even aware that it's happening!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)to me and this subthread youve created.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)I appreciate that you took the time to create this sub thread last night, and I appreciate that you continue it today. I've found your value, RB!
You're a good friend.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)me! Wow, thanks.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Do you like to go fishing? I do! I love to fish
Casting that line, getting a bite, reeling it in
over, and over, and over.
Fishing is a fun time, but sometimes its just too easy. 😄
I went bass fishing a lot this year. Its too cold now though, at least for my comfort level.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)The thread topic still is Bernie, what are you doing here!? Then there was a post about him missing votes.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)If you dont want to talk about fishing, how about hunting? Do you hunt, RB? Its that time of year in much of the country!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)your devotion.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)You may be mistaken about my motives but you're still useful.
So you don't hunt and you don't fish? I really enjoy both. I picked up a new hunting rifle this year after the legislature removed some of the antiquated restrictions on the lawful calibers for deer hunting. There are a lot of long distance shots where I hunt so the added range really helps.
My deer chili is absolutely fantastic. I just finished a bowl and am thinking of going back for seconds!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)You seem heavily invested in this one. It should keep you busy for awhile.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Why, the seconds it takes to reply to you add up to entire minutes over the course of the day. The entertainment value that you provide, at no charge, feels almost like stealing.
I'm having a fantastic day, I hope you are too!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)That is an easy one, for sure. Thank you.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Thanks for the bump, RB!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)You are most welcome to keep up with your devotion to me. Bump for sure!
PTWB
(4,131 posts)My current amusement is that I managed to so thoroughly hook one of those most fervent Bernie haters that shes bumped a thread celebrating Bernie Sanders dozens of times.
Back on topic, Ive got this fantastic extra sharp Wisconsin cheddar that I slice super thin and put on top of the piping hot chili. It melts almost instantly and oozes down into it to add to the flavor profile.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)already established.
And your devotion to many tangents, now Wisconsin cheese.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)I'm sorry I forgot to thank you in a previous post.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)We've got symmetrical gigabit fiber here and it makes such a difference. It's fantastic and I highly recommend it!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)Winners like Michelle Caruso-Cabrera? LOL
Nixie
(16,920 posts)I think there were only 6 of them, though.
I vote solidly with my party, and there are many more of my type.
Thanks again for your devotion.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Thanks for being a constant amusement!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)it's going to be a lot of amusement for you, I'm sure of it.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Strong Democrats forever! Thanks for the bump, RB.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)Thanks for your devotion to bumping your subthread about me. It's good to see you acknowledging that Democrats need to win to stay strong.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)The good thing about "bumping a sub thread" is that it bumps the entire thread. The OP in this thread is about celebrating Bernie Sanders and I want to commend you for bumping it over, and over, and over again.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)about Bernie missing votes. Then I responded to you and you made this wonderful subthread about me. Thank you again!
Ill be happy to bump this for you to comment about me again. Thank you.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)For some reason you took that comment personally, replied to my post, and began this sub thread.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)and your motives more and thanked you for doing so.
I encourage you to continue.
My comment was about Bernie, not you. All your posts are about me and I thank you for your devotion!
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Go get 'em, Detective.
It tickles me to no end that you act like you're solving some sort of mystery here. I've told you my motivation for engaging in this sub thread with you. I thought it would be amusing and challenging to get a Bernie basher to bump a thread celebrating Bernie's progressive leadership. I was right about the first part.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)dedication to me.
But the thread topic remains:Bernie, what are you doing here!?
Then there was a simple comment about him missing votes. Maybe its easy to see how blowing simple comments out of proportion takes a lot of your time and emotion.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)It's a celebration of Bernie Sanders' progressive leadership. Thanks for keeping it at the top, RB, and thank you for your dedication to my amusement!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)thanks for showing your emotional investment in me.
But the topic remains:Bernie, what are you doing here!?l its a stretch to call that a celebration, but I understand whats going on.
It's nothing personal. Any Bernie Basher would have done the trick. I would have preferred someone who didn't make it quite so easy but beggars can't be choosers.
What did you think I was doing when I talked about my love of hunting, fishing, deer chili, hot coffee, and upgrading my home's network infrastructure? Did you think that was about you, too?
I just wanted to see how hooked you really were by talking about absolutely random things that crossed my mind whenever I was replying just to see if you'd continue to bump the post. Initially I was dubious that you'd go along with it, but here we are!
You're a good friend to humor me, RB, and you're nothing if not reliable.
Thank you for being you!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)an epic subthread about me. Im so glad its your focus.
You have your work cut out for you for sure! Good luck with your endeavors.
Edit: yes, I already acknowledged your deer chili tangents, but thanks for confirming.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)It's really difficult to find something that is both affordable and reliable. I've been using a set from Ace for a lot of years but that set lives in my shop building and I've grown tired of making the trek out to fetch it whenever I have a small project to do inside.
This new set looks like it will do the trick as my dedicated inside set!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)your strategies.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Nixie
(16,920 posts)Thanks for the strategy insight. It sounds like its very important. Good luck with everything. 👍
PTWB
(4,131 posts)I am tickled that you consider my entertainment very important. I only consider it mildly important.
Thanks!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)And thanks for the subthread about me. 👍
PTWB
(4,131 posts)That said, you're welcome!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)Its all been very predictable, though, but thank you.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)I didn't know that you were talking about motivations when you used the word strategies.
And yes, it's been very predictable. It's almost as if I predicted a pattern of behavior from the beginning.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)Thanks for your continued efforts to show your epic subthread about me.
Thanks for the insights!
I held off on getting a Keurig for many years, preferring the traditional pot of coffee, but I purchased one somewhat recently and it is fantastic. I still brew a pot every morning in the kitchen but now I've got a Keurig machine in my office and it is just so convenient.
Right now I'm ordering a set of competition dies from Forster to reload for a new caliber. I've used a lot of different dies over the years and really like the Forster seating dies with the built in micrometer.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)And thanks for explaining your strategies, which are very important to you.
You just can't resist. I love it!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)It's taken a lot of your time and interest, so thanks for that.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)You're a trooper!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)I love it and thank you.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)I could never have predicted that you'd still be bumping a thread celebrating Bernie Sanders' fight for the people after all this time. Your commitment to me has exceeded my wildest expectations.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)Then the subthread over a rather simple post about Bernie's whereabouts on voting.
And then....this epic subthread about me. Please keep it kicked.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)In that sense, yes, its about you.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)I appreciate that your comments are all about me, except for the deer chili, etc.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)And networking equipment. And reloading equipment. And hunting. And fishing. And everything else that the sub thread is actually about.
I just installed a new set of Leadshine stepper motors for one of my CNC machines. Theyre absolutely fantastic.
I remember one time I was talking to a co-worker who was convinced that other employees were laughing at her behind her back. She was convinced that she was the punchline of an inside joke. Im not sure why that memory just came to me, but I thought Id share.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)Thank you for your devotion.
Thats something youve imagined.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)Thanks and keep it kicked.
Thanks, RB!
Im glad youve constructed a narrative that brings you comfort. Id hate for you to feel bad.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)I completely support your efforts. Thanks for the devotion.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Im having a nice ham for dinner tonight.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)so it looks like you have the "role" business wrong, as well.
Thanks for your continued devotion.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)I told you early on exactly what I was doing and what I expected you to do as a result. I defined your role from the beginning.
You have either embraced the role I defined for you or youre pretending to embrace it a some reason that I wont even attempt to diagnose. The end result is the same.
Youve been doing what I want for nearly 24 hours.
I should be thanking you for your devotion, buddy! Youre a good friend.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)But thanks for the devotion and best of luck.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Thanks, RB!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)Thanks for spending almost a whole day explaining yourself to me and/ or talking about me.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Thanks for spending an equal amount of time on this thread, doing exactly what I told you I hoped youd do.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)as well as you think you did.
But thanks for talking about me so much. Keep it up
PTWB
(4,131 posts)A reminder seems the least I can do. I like you, RB!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)Thats an old saying btw, not me saying it. But the saying seems appropriate here.
And you keep explaining yourself to me, lol. Thanks for your devotion! 👍
PTWB
(4,131 posts)I tried to give you some hints early on in the exchange but you didn't pick up on them. I didn't want to feel like I was taking advantage of you, given your good natured participation, so I let you in on the joke.
Through a few simple posts I managed to hook a bonafide Bernie Basher into bumping a thread celebrating Bernie Sanders' progressive leadership, over and over and over again. Can you imagine my glee and amusement?
Nixie
(16,920 posts)didnt strategize as well as you thought or give yourself credit for.
Thanks for your devotion, though.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Nixie
(16,920 posts)about me.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)These things are massive. The jaws open up to 5 millimeters! Theyll go through the most gnarly toenails like a hot knife through butter.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)for explaining yourself so much.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Ive got it all figured out. I take a file and wedge it just under the big toenail, then lever it up to give the clippers
proper clearance to do their work in one go.
Its a winning strategy for sure!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)Its really quite important to give it a good scrubbing in certain places and leave a grease layer in others. I also cleaned out the drip pan and that was quite a chore.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)We are expecting snow soon, and always have a fair amount of wind, but I have the answer to both of those. I use a specially tailored cover that fits like a glove over the smoker. Its made out of a material similar to welding blankets. The cover is designed to be used while the smoker is running. It helps insulate the smoker, serves as a wind break, and it keeps the rain and snow off of it.
Temperatures are much more stable when using it during inclement weather, resulting in a more predictable cooking time and a better end result.
I highly recommend one!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)for kicking this subthread that youve created for me.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)If you're not familiar, that's when you split the turkey, break a few bones, and then splay it out before you cook it so that it cooks more evenly. It turned out really well, and the flavor was good, but it just wasn't the same as a traditionally cooked turkey.
They look like this:
Nixie
(16,920 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)I'll be replacing the kitchen cabinet pull out trash and recycling bins with a new model that mounts to the cabinet base and uses hydraulics to enable the soft open / soft close feature. The old model just used standard drawer slides to open and close. It was fine at first but just wasn't rigid enough for constant heavy duty use. The new model is built like a tank.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)Most folks think that lumens are the important number when evaluating a flashlight or weapon light, but candela is far more important.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)I had been worried that the input latency with wireless keyboards, mice, and headsets were going to be disruptive and annoying. Recently the technology has evolved to the point that they're functionally indistinguishable from their wired counterparts (as long as you're buying quality equipment).
Nixie
(16,920 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)They call it a gun cleaning mat, but it's really just a giant mousepad, only it's built to be very heavy duty. They come with printed firearm schematics / diagrams and parts lists.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)Thanks for bumping my subthread
PTWB
(4,131 posts)I suspect that they make the recommendation because patients are using the disposable flosser incorrectly.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)1. Stainless steel finish (not colored)
2. Small enough diameter to fit in my truck's cupholders
3. 20oz+ capacity
4. With a handle
I don't think they make one!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)Everyone has their own tried and true formula and process; some take it to an almost superstitious level.
I've always preferred to use basic Break Free CLP and traditional cleaning rods with brushes, jags, and patches. I've picked up a few bore snakes and they're pretty good for cleaning between firings. I clean and oil every firearm I own every 6 months regardless of whether or not I've fired it since the previous cleaning.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)It's like a combination of Academy Sports and Bass Pro / Cabelas. It's really fantastic!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)They're fantastic for cocktails.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)Nixie
(16,920 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)He's never done any sailing but has always been interested and while I've sailed, my experience is rather limited. We're thinking of chartering a boat this summer!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)just talking to a friend.
Youve been full time typing.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)The series documents the restoration of a boat built in 1909 called Tally Ho. It's really a phenomenal series and I can't recommend it highly enough.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)I've even got a few 1632s in there as well.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)No one is interested in seeing a pile of yellow, dirtied Q-tips and yellow, crusty toenail clippings.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)Something just feels right about hunting with an old lever action using a peep sight. Skinner Sights have been my choice for over a decade.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)Skinner sights use interchangeable apertures that let you tailor the sight to your particular hunting situation and needs.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)but they've since replaced every pair of socks in my wardrobe. Highly recommended.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)And when they wear out, after extensive use, the company replaces them free of charge. They've got a lifetime warranty.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)Nixie
(16,920 posts)missing votes doesnt make someone a progressive leader to which you continue to have no response.
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)TexasTowelie
(111,292 posts)considering his recent medical history.
SMC22307
(8,088 posts)TexasTowelie
(111,292 posts)It's public knowledge that Bernie had heart problems and obviously the doctor recognizes that Bernie isn't one of established patients. The situation isn't significantly different from when Bernie had a cardiac event and showed up at a clinic unannounced.
SMC22307
(8,088 posts)Bernie as unhealthy and a heart attack waiting to happen, but I imagine the doctor was more surprised to see a Vermont senator casually pop into a Michigan clinic, especially since it's not campaign season. Looks like Bernie's healthy and still out working tirelessly for the working man and woman, unlike Maserati Manchin.
TexasTowelie
(111,292 posts)then that is on Bernie. People will make that judgment based upon their own senses and observations.
SMC22307
(8,088 posts)Well, some people. To everyone else, they see Bernie working hard serving his constituents, promoting Democratic Party policies on news programs, supporting organized labor, etc. And not screwing over Biden.
TexasTowelie
(111,292 posts)SMC22307
(8,088 posts)He didn't fuck over striking workers.
He didn't fuck over seniors needing prescription drug cost relief. Or *anyone* in need of prescription drug cost relief.
And on and on and on...
TexasTowelie
(111,292 posts)I felt that burn (or should I say bern? LOL) all the way over here. Bernie is, always has been, and always will be, a man of the people and a man for the people. He's the pinnacle of progressive leadership.
SMC22307
(8,088 posts)who really cares about the "average" American? I wonder if Princess EpiPen, the one padded her resume with an unearned MBA, will run when Daddy retires. The whole clan seems rotten.
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)Even though they were outdoors, it probably would have been more prudent to be masked, given the covid situation in MI.
And where did the guy in the snake jacket get the thematic picket sign, so perfectly on-brand for a photo op?
Mariana
(14,849 posts)TexasTowelie
(111,292 posts)I'm not going to quibble with anyone about the differences between a cardiac arrest and a heart attack. It is quite likely that the doctor was aware that Bernie had heart issues in 2019 which could have popped into his mind because of the unexpected visit.
Mariana
(14,849 posts)It's not really a "quibble". But yes, it's entirely possible the doctor thought he might be there because he needed medical attention. If so, I'm sure the doctor was relieved and happy to learn that wasn't the case.
TexasTowelie
(111,292 posts)I believe that the point I was making is clear that Bernie has had heart problems and it's public knowledge. Therefore, an initial response from the doctor that Bernie might need medical attention is plausible and where we agree could have occurred.
sl8
(13,584 posts)lapucelle
(18,037 posts)and the Senate was in session in Washington, D.C.
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sl8
(13,584 posts)"What are you doing here?", could mean "What are you doing in Michigan?" or it could mean "What brings you to our clinic today?."
If the quote was "What are you doing in Michigan", that would narrow things down a bit.
The two seem different to me.
On edit:
If somone showed up unexpectedly to my home or place of work and I asked them, "What are you doing here?", I'd be asking about them showing up at my home or place of work, not my state.
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)or a clinic in Michigan. It could mean any number of places where one would not expect to see a senator from Vermont on a day when the Senate is in session and voting.
sl8
(13,584 posts)I was wondering why.
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)with some research on the use of "here" as a pronoun and the distinction between a question and a quote.
jalan48
(13,797 posts)JI7
(89,173 posts)malaise
(267,803 posts)Go Bernie!
llmart
(15,499 posts)Elizabeth Warren also.
berniesandersmittens
(11,323 posts)And he's been fighting to get us all universal healthcare since the '70s.
NJCher
(35,423 posts)This man is with the worker all the way.
Sienna86
(2,147 posts)Hes one of the best.
nolabear
(41,915 posts)And I do appreciate much of what Bernie stands for. But am I missing something? He seems to be intentionally alone on his efforts, i.e. I dont hear a lot of support for other Democrats or how theyre working together to pass legislation. I dont hear him doing the kinds of things other congresspersons do when they address issues, for better or worse. He just seems to be off on his own as he is here.
This isnt rote condemnation of him; it is an impression Ive always had.
Donkees
(31,080 posts)Excerpt:
Sanders Leads Letter with Senators in Support of Striking Kellogg Workers
October 28, 2021
Sanders and his colleagues, Sens. Tammy Baldwin (D-Wis.), Cory Booker (D-N.J.), Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), Ed Markey (D-Mass.), and Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), urgently reminded Cahillane that this strike comes after Kellogg workers and their families have been on the frontlines of feeding families across the globe during this terrible pandemic, working longer hours for less benefits and in worse conditions, all while the company and its leadership raked in record corporate profits.
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/news-sanders-leads-letter-with-senators-in-support-of-striking-kellogg-workers/
George II
(67,782 posts)Violet_Crumble
(35,954 posts)What's yr point?
JudyM
(29,122 posts)process as possible? From what Ive read, he was central to that whole procedural effort all along, hand in hand with Biden and the rest of our Dem leadership on driving through that strategy. Heres one of many articles from along the way that came up in a quick search and hes been traveling quite a bit working hard to sell it in different parts of the country, for all of us. https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/578399-sanders-faces-difficult-choice-on-slimmed-down-budget-bill
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/578399-sanders-faces-difficult-choice-on-slimmed-down-budget-bill?rl=1
JudyM
(29,122 posts)lapucelle
(18,037 posts)JudyM
(29,122 posts)With the announcement by Manchin, its clear why.
I was responding to nolabears comment, BTW, not to the main OP.
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)At least one entire section of the bill is yet to be written, and there are several questions still in front of the parliamentarian. The bill can't be brought to the floor until its complete and the parliamentarian has weighed in. Anyone whose "homework" is overdue really should be getting to work, even if it is a holiday break.
Several senators signed on as co-sponsors to Senator Klobuchar's Freedom to Vote Act in early December (joining the original seven co-sponsors who were on board in September), so all the signs were there that the focus would shift. With one sponsor and forty-nine co-sponsors, the bill obviously has enough votes to pass.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/2747/cosponsors
JudyM
(29,122 posts)Agree to disagree on how Sanders spends his time. We dont know everything thats happening behind the scenes but it has been appearing that he has been taking his cues from Joe and working in lockstep with him.
Clearly Manchin and Sinema are the problem with BBBs delay, hardly Sanders.
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)if people did it more often. At the end of the ,we Democrats are all on the same side.
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George II
(67,782 posts)..union workers whose union settled with Kellogg's a day earlier.
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mountain grammy
(26,568 posts)Bernie Sanders supporting workers sends a big message! This is who we are. The party of the working class.
Donkees
(31,080 posts)demmiblue
(36,744 posts)The negative nellie of said exchange recently posted this:
Unions are dwindling, they need our support more than ever!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)If you went to all the trouble of finding it and bringing your personal grudge (your description negative Nellie is what Im referring to) to this thread, the context would be great to share, as well.
Maybe they are referring to something that you completely missed or distorted. Its hard to tell from your snipped quote from another thread. Are you sick of the Manchin/Sinema bashing? Is that what this is about? Hard to tell without more context. Thank you.
Sympthsical
(8,935 posts)This is all a perfectly normal reaction to a senator who supports President Biden's agenda.
I just came off keto after 8 months and am now eating gummy worms. Happy happy. It means nothing. Just thought I'd mention it somewhere. It's about as equally productive as anything else above, lol.
demmiblue
(36,744 posts)I can only see about 50.
I'm guessing or (or both). There is also the "under the bridge" option, as well. I guess I shall never know!
Nixie
(16,920 posts)productive? How does this work?
Sympthsical
(8,935 posts)But semester's over and I'm off work this week. So until I leave for Tahoe on Thursday, I'm sharing deeply personal updates about gummy worms and other culinary ventures.
It will be just as edifying.
Nixie
(16,920 posts)a bunch of whining.
Have a great time in Tahoe. Are you used to driving in snow? Sounds like you vacation there regularly. We recently spent a weekend in Big Bear Lake and I wondered how everybody doesnt slide down the mountain in the snow.
Roisin Ni Fiachra
(2,574 posts)rubber stamped into law.
whathehell
(28,969 posts)sl8
(13,584 posts)Hope this isn't too controversial.
Donkees
(31,080 posts)SMC22307
(8,088 posts)and NO Manchin's!
Hiawatha Pete
(1,767 posts)Demovictory9
(32,322 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,111 posts)Thanks for the thread Donkees.
Caliman73
(11,693 posts)"Will strike if provoked" INDEED.
We are on the verge of a strike here with SEIU. The t-shirt on the last picture is cool too. The U and I, definitely. We had 93% yes vote to strike if management did not offer a decent contract. They offered a pay cut.
Donkees
(31,080 posts)Maybe Bernie will show up for the fight