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Donkees

(31,080 posts)
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 03:49 PM Dec 2021

Photos: Michigan Doctor: 'Bernie, what are you doing here?!'

@fshakir

We were driving around Michigan yesterday and Bernie Sanders saw a community health center Cherry Health MI and wanted to pop in.

Doctor: “Bernie, what are you doing here?!”
“Just wanted to thank you for the work you’re doing and hear from you"










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@fshakir

Bernie Sanders standing with the striking Kellogg's workers in Michigan and going to the picket lines





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Photos: Michigan Doctor: 'Bernie, what are you doing here?!' (Original Post) Donkees Dec 2021 OP
DURec leftstreet Dec 2021 #1
Pretty well irreplaceable! Karadeniz Dec 2021 #2
sniff. AllaN01Bear Dec 2021 #3
Who? n/t aocommunalpunch Dec 2021 #16
I don't know if you're joking, but it took me a while to figure out "TFG" means C Moon Dec 2021 #130
I thought he was supposed to be working on the SALT deduction compromise for BBB. lapucelle Dec 2021 #4
This amendment is all on Bernie? caraher Dec 2021 #10
It's not an amendment. It's a section of the bill. The responsible thing for legislators to do lapucelle Dec 2021 #14
Raising salt levels to $80,000 is a rich guy problem questionseverything Dec 2021 #28
What are you talking about? According B. Sanders capping SALT at $10,000 was regressive and unjust. lapucelle Dec 2021 #44
Big difference between ten grand and eighty grand questionseverything Dec 2021 #47
$20K or 30K is reasonable. 80K is just a gift to the richest 10-20%, and in reality a huge chunk of Celerity Dec 2021 #100
Agreed ProfessorGAC Dec 2021 #245
+10000000000000000 Celerity Dec 2021 #99
Chew gum. Walk. Not hard. paleotn Dec 2021 #48
Ok thank you👍 Tribetime Dec 2021 #64
According to Bloomberg News, Sanders walked away from a previously agreed-to SALT compromise. lapucelle Dec 2021 #67
Maybe he didn't like the compromise. paleotn Dec 2021 #75
"Neither you nor I know what's going on outside of occasional news coverage." George II Dec 2021 #77
Sanders touted the compromise in a Youtube video on November 3. lapucelle Dec 2021 #80
The $80,000 salt limit is what the house passed according to the bloomberg article you posted questionseverything Dec 2021 #63
There was a tentative settlement agreement already reached on Thursday. Plus, yesterday and today... George II Dec 2021 #19
Did we lose any of the votes he missed? Curious. paleotn Dec 2021 #51
Not the issue. George II Dec 2021 #55
Actually, it is. paleotn Dec 2021 #69
Nope. George II Dec 2021 #71
Yep. ; -) paleotn Dec 2021 #73
The Grinch always shows up on Christmas or I mean Bernie threads Tribetime Dec 2021 #65
Bernie not working hard enough roody Dec 2021 #60
Right TheFarseer Dec 2021 #90
Kick dalton99a Dec 2021 #5
Say what you want about Bernie Martin Eden Dec 2021 #6
Right on! Love the man! liberalla Dec 2021 #12
Yup, he has ALWAYS been for the working man/woman. ♥️ ♥️ ♥️ a kennedy Dec 2021 #29
This is true MustLoveBeagles Dec 2021 #136
Love The Guy! zentrum Dec 2021 #7
:-) MuseRider Dec 2021 #8
He did miss out on voting for the confirmations of some federal employees TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #15
With 20 repubs gone we didn't need him there questionseverything Dec 2021 #27
Is Bernie's presence going to help any of the fired workers to get rehired? TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #40
We can agree to disagree questionseverything Dec 2021 #41
Considering that Kellogg's was going to replace the union workers with scabs TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #43
We drive American made vehicles at my 🏡 questionseverything Dec 2021 #45
We did the same at my house. Every car that I ever drove was made in the USA. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #68
Middle and working class families bearing the burden of unjust, regressive taxation lapucelle Dec 2021 #46
I guess you missed the memo , bbb is dead questionseverything Dec 2021 #49
SALT is comprised of ALL State And Local Taxes, not just property taxes. lapucelle Dec 2021 #52
Thanks for the snark questionseverything Dec 2021 #62
$80,000 was the number every Democrat in the House voted for in their version of BBB. lapucelle Dec 2021 #66
The 80 grand number is too high questionseverything Dec 2021 #70
The Senate plan would would tie the cap to income. lapucelle Dec 2021 #79
Bernie wants the limit to be $400,000 questionseverything Dec 2021 #84
The people elected Joe Biden president, and Jen Psaki made it clear in her briefing lapucelle Dec 2021 #96
Way too much reading to find the point you misrepresent questionseverything Dec 2021 #138
The entire Congressional Progressive Caucus voted to raise the deduction cap to $80,000. lapucelle Dec 2021 #141
Ask the Congressional Progressive Caucus. Every single member voted in favor of it. N/T lapucelle Dec 2021 #145
"Thanks for the snark" ... Good grief. Seriously? NurseJackie Dec 2021 #146
Your arguments are anti-Union... druidity33 Dec 2021 #57
Agree With You nwliberalkiwi Dec 2021 #61
ROTFL. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #98
The union workers were working under an expired contract that was being renegotiated. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #87
Contracts expire druidity33 Dec 2021 #94
If that is the case, then Bernie's trip was useless beyond providing solace to the strikers. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #107
It's so sad that you gave up your life working 80 hours a week questionseverything Dec 2021 #221
Ah, another snarky bullshit comment from you. I guess you had to meet your quota? TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #225
I wasn't being snarky, I am being sincere questionseverything Dec 2021 #227
Well, I guess that I could have returned home to live with my father and been an unemployed bum. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #230
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #82
Showing support to union workers is important Bettie Dec 2021 #150
K & R Celerity Dec 2021 #9
I really love this man! secondwind Dec 2021 #11
Beloved by me too. A treasure StClone Dec 2021 #13
Very Nice! Roc2020 Dec 2021 #17
There were 23 votes in the Senate yesterday and today. George II Dec 2021 #18
And they all passed ornotna Dec 2021 #20
So? George II Dec 2021 #21
Oh, you're good ornotna Dec 2021 #23
Some people get themselves worked up into a tizzy anytime a progressive does anything progressive. PTWB Dec 2021 #26
The union and Kellogg's reached an agreement on Thursday, the day before he left. George II Dec 2021 #30
All the picketing workers must be figments of your imagination, then. PTWB Dec 2021 #32
This isn't a figment of my imagination: George II Dec 2021 #33
You need to look up the word "tentative" PTWB Dec 2021 #34
No I don't. I know what it means. George II Dec 2021 #36
It means not certain; provisional. PTWB Dec 2021 #38
It would be better if he were in Washington working to do what he promised. lapucelle Dec 2021 #50
I'd rather have him on the picket lines. PTWB Dec 2021 #54
The bill isn't being held hostage. BBB hasn't been introduced because it isn't fully written. lapucelle Dec 2021 #56
BBB hasn't been fully written because right wing obstructionists have made unreasonable demands. PTWB Dec 2021 #119
A fiery indepenant senator walked away from an agreement that the SALT cap be budget neutral, lapucelle Dec 2021 #139
Or maybe some people call missing votes "progressive" Nixie Dec 2021 #58
Hi RB!!! PTWB Dec 2021 #74
You sound familiar, too. Nixie Dec 2021 #76
Personal? PTWB Dec 2021 #78
Maybe you take Bernie's two losses personally? Isn't that Nixie Dec 2021 #81
Bernie was not my preferred candidate this past cycle. How does that gel with your imagined pattern? PTWB Dec 2021 #83
Ooh, that sounds so familiar, too. I've heard that. Also Nixie Dec 2021 #85
Enjoy your evening, RB! PTWB Dec 2021 #86
You too! Nixie Dec 2021 #88
You're welcome. PTWB Dec 2021 #89
Your post 26 certainly is...... Nixie Dec 2021 #91
My goal is always to get responses! PTWB Dec 2021 #93
Ah, more revelations! Nixie Dec 2021 #95
What do you suppose is worse? PTWB Dec 2021 #97
Thanks for revealing yourself, but it sounds like you're the one Nixie Dec 2021 #101
Oh dear, let not your heart be troubled! PTWB Dec 2021 #102
More revelations about your motives. Nixie Dec 2021 #103
We've talked about this before, friend! PTWB Dec 2021 #104
Thanks for the revelations about your vendettas, Nixie Dec 2021 #106
The current amusement is one of the best yet. PTWB Dec 2021 #108
Why would I interrupt you revealing yourself. Nixie Dec 2021 #109
LOL PTWB Dec 2021 #110
I'll be happy to point out that missing votes doesn't Nixie Dec 2021 #111
You're almost there! PTWB Dec 2021 #112
I'll be happy to thank you again for revealing Nixie Dec 2021 #113
Lol, you actually did it 🤣 PTWB Dec 2021 #114
Thanks to you for your dozen or so self revelations. Nixie Dec 2021 #115
You too! Have a good movie and a good night, my friend. PTWB Dec 2021 #116
But you have more posts here since you started with post 26. Nixie Dec 2021 #117
Ten posts? No, something much more specific. PTWB Dec 2021 #118
You stated I had 10 posts. But you have more, so Nixie Dec 2021 #120
I didn't say state you had 10 posts. Try again, LOL! PTWB Dec 2021 #121
Thanks for admitting you are full of distractions. Nixie Dec 2021 #122
I didn't say that either. PTWB Dec 2021 #123
You are quite a laugh yourself. Nixie Dec 2021 #124
LOL PTWB Dec 2021 #125
Yes, I've said a few times that I thank you for your Nixie Dec 2021 #126
Yes, you've said that more than a few times. PTWB Dec 2021 #127
Also observant, like noticing that saying missing votes Nixie Dec 2021 #128
Fantastic, RB! Do you like gifs? PTWB Dec 2021 #129
That doesn't dismiss the fact that missing votes doesn't make Nixie Dec 2021 #132
I like gifs! PTWB Dec 2021 #133
Yes, you do like distractions. Nixie Dec 2021 #134
I'm sorry if you're feeling distracted! PTWB Dec 2021 #135
Thanks for your apology about not staying on topic. Nixie Dec 2021 #148
Good morning, RB! PTWB Dec 2021 #152
Except the topic of the thread isn't me. Nixie Dec 2021 #153
Friend, the topic of many of your replies has been your feeling distracted. PTWB Dec 2021 #154
Wrong again. I'm not the topic of this thread. Nixie Dec 2021 #155
Oh dear, RB. PTWB Dec 2021 #156
Wrong again, as your posts show otherwise which also exposes your pattern. Nixie Dec 2021 #157
What's wrong, RB? PTWB Dec 2021 #158
Except your posts show otherwise. You even apologized for not staying on topic. Nixie Dec 2021 #159
I apologized for distracting you because you kept repeating that you were feeling so distracted. PTWB Dec 2021 #160
But I'm not distracted and have encouraged you to continue revealing yourself. Nixie Dec 2021 #161
So you're claiming now that you're not distracted? PTWB Dec 2021 #162
Actually, I have encouraged you to continue revealing your many personal concerns. Nixie Dec 2021 #163
You'll be shocked to learn that threads can break off into tangents. PTWB Dec 2021 #164
It's not shocking to know that some people actually admit to "break off" tangents. Nixie Dec 2021 #165
Oh my gosh, no! PTWB Dec 2021 #166
Thanks for your entire subthread you've made Nixie Dec 2021 #167
My dear friend, you replied to me first and continue to reply to me. PTWB Dec 2021 #168
Thanks for your continued subthread about me! Nixie Dec 2021 #169
You're welcome, friend! PTWB Dec 2021 #170
Thanks again for your many self confessions about Nixie Dec 2021 #172
My motives need no confession, friend. PTWB Dec 2021 #173
Thanks again for your self confessions about your devotion Nixie Dec 2021 #174
Your vivid imagination knows no bounds. I'm jealous. PTWB Dec 2021 #175
My post was about Bernie; whereas all your posts are about Nixie Dec 2021 #177
All you do is post about me. You don't need to project. We can talk about anything you like. PTWB Dec 2021 #178
Thanks for your continued subthread about me! Nixie Dec 2021 #179
I applaud your imagination! PTWB Dec 2021 #180
Thanks for this new tangent, designed to continue Nixie Dec 2021 #182
You're welcome. PTWB Dec 2021 #183
Thanks for more tangent devotion Nixie Dec 2021 #184
Extremely invested. PTWB Dec 2021 #186
Yes, I'm sure it didn't take much to come up with your deer chili tangent. Nixie Dec 2021 #187
It's pretty easy to talk about what you're doing at any particular moment. PTWB Dec 2021 #188
Yes, and deer chili was such an easy tangent. You're right. Nixie Dec 2021 #189
I'm devoted to my own amusements. PTWB Dec 2021 #192
This whole subthread is about your self revelations and your motives, as we've Nixie Dec 2021 #195
Thank you for your Wisconsin cheese tangent. Nixie Dec 2021 #196
I recently upgraded my network infrastructure at the house. PTWB Dec 2021 #199
I vote with the majority of my party and for all the winners. Nixie Dec 2021 #200
That's great! PTWB Dec 2021 #202
No, and I can't vote for anyone either outside California, even those that voted with Republicans, Nixie Dec 2021 #203
I'm glad you didn't support her. PTWB Dec 2021 #204
Thanks for your devotion. I'm solidly with the majority of my party, so Nixie Dec 2021 #205
You and me both! PTWB Dec 2021 #206
Oh, yeah. Strong winners means no need for bitterness. That's for sure. Nixie Dec 2021 #208
Absolutely. I'm glad we're on the same page about my devotion to my amusements. PTWB Dec 2021 #209
No, you made the subthread after responding to a post Nixie Dec 2021 #213
My post was about certain people displaying a pattern of attacking progressives leaders. PTWB Dec 2021 #215
No, I was encouraging you to reveal yourself Nixie Dec 2021 #216
Encouraging me to reveal myself, oooh how mysterious that sounds! PTWB Dec 2021 #219
Thanks for this new tangent and confirming your Nixie Dec 2021 #220
Yes, the OP is quite clear. PTWB Dec 2021 #222
Actually you've made this subthread about me personally, so Nixie Dec 2021 #223
Hmm. PTWB Dec 2021 #224
Thanks again for revealing your obsessions, but this is Nixie Dec 2021 #228
I got my new ratcheting screwdriver set in from Amazon today. PTWB Dec 2021 #231
Thanks for the bump and for your focus and explaining Nixie Dec 2021 #232
Thank YOU, RB. You continue to perform admirably and as directed. PTWB Dec 2021 #233
Your explanations of your motives are extraordinary. Nixie Dec 2021 #234
Good luck to you too! PTWB Dec 2021 #235
Thanks for sharing your strategies. Good luck! Nixie Dec 2021 #236
I'm not sure what strategies you're referring to. I'm talking about amusements. PTWB Dec 2021 #237
I'm so glad you've explained what motivates you . Nixie Dec 2021 #238
Oh, yes, I definitely explained my motivations. PTWB Dec 2021 #239
Oh yes, and I noted how familiar the "patterns" are, Nixie Dec 2021 #240
Fantastic! PTWB Dec 2021 #241
Thank you for this subthread and your continued devotion. Nixie Dec 2021 #243
LOL PTWB Dec 2021 #244
Thanks for your devotion and for promoting this subthread about me. Nixie Dec 2021 #246
Fantastic, RB! PTWB Dec 2021 #247
You too. You keep this subthread about me kicked. Nixie Dec 2021 #248
Seems like a fair trade! PTWB Dec 2021 #249
The thread topic: "Bernie, what are you doing here!?" Nixie Dec 2021 #250
The sub thread is about you giving me what I want for almost 24 straight hours. PTWB Dec 2021 #251
Thank you for this epic subthread which you've created for me. Nixie Dec 2021 #252
Don't forget the coffee! PTWB Dec 2021 #253
It's mostly about me, though, which you admit to. Nixie Dec 2021 #254
Not at all. PTWB Dec 2021 #255
Your posts about me have created this epic subthread. Nixie Dec 2021 #256
To the top! PTWB Dec 2021 #257
You've explained why your posts are about me and what your strategy is and Nixie Dec 2021 #258
I've explained your role. PTWB Dec 2021 #259
Actually, you've explained what your strategies are and you continue to explain yourself, Nixie Dec 2021 #260
No, I explained your role. PTWB Dec 2021 #261
haha, you've been explaining yourself or talking about me. Nixie Dec 2021 #262
There's that vivid imagination on display! PTWB Dec 2021 #264
Thanks for talking about me. Nixie Dec 2021 #266
You've gotten several minutes worth of my time. PTWB Dec 2021 #267
You keep explaining yourself to me, so you didn't strategize this Nixie Dec 2021 #268
Sometimes it seems like you've forgotten your role. PTWB Dec 2021 #269
If you're explaining, you're losing. Nixie Dec 2021 #270
I had to let you in on the joke. It was becoming unsportsmanlike. PTWB Dec 2021 #271
You keep explaining yourself, but it looks like you Nixie Dec 2021 #272
Are you trying to tell me that repeating yourself is a coping mechanism? PTWB Dec 2021 #274
Thank you for your devotion and for talking Nixie Dec 2021 #275
I have the most fantastic set of toenail clippers. PTWB Dec 2021 #277
You've explained your strategy, too, so thanks Nixie Dec 2021 #279
My strategy is pretty good. PTWB Dec 2021 #280
You keep explaining yourself. Nixie Dec 2021 #281
I cleaned my smoker this weekend. PTWB Dec 2021 #283
Thanks for kicking this subthread you created for me. Nixie Dec 2021 #284
The smoker turned out pretty well. PTWB Dec 2021 #285
Thanks for the smoker and toenail tangent and Nixie Dec 2021 #286
Two Thanksgivings ago I smoked our turkey spatchcock style. PTWB Dec 2021 #288
Thanks for kicking my subthread Nixie Dec 2021 #289
I've got a good project for tomorrow afternoon. PTWB Dec 2021 #290
Thanks for explaining yourself. Nixie Dec 2021 #291
The Modlite OKW boasts 680 lumens and 69,000 candela. PTWB Dec 2021 #292
Thanks for explaining your posting strategies. Nixie Dec 2021 #293
For years I shied away from wireless desktop accessories but over the last year I've converted. PTWB Dec 2021 #295
Thanks for explaining yourself. Nixie Dec 2021 #296
TEKMAT makes a fantastic mousepad. PTWB Dec 2021 #298
More strategizing. Nixie Dec 2021 #299
When parenting it is important to set expectations and manage those expectations. PTWB Dec 2021 #300
... Nixie Dec 2021 #301
Many dentists recommend using traditional floss instead of disposable floss / pick combinations. PTWB Dec 2021 #302
Thanks for your devotion. Nixie Dec 2021 #303
I've been looking for a Yeti mug that meets certain criteria: PTWB Dec 2021 #304
Thanks for your devotion Nixie Dec 2021 #305
Competitive shootists tend to be very particular about how they clean their firearms after matches. PTWB Dec 2021 #306
Thanks for doing all this typing Nixie Dec 2021 #307
Scheels is my favorite sporting goods store. PTWB Dec 2021 #308
Thanks for your devotion. Nixie Dec 2021 #309
I've been gifted a set of molds that make decorative ice "cubes" in the shape of large round balls. PTWB Dec 2021 #310
Thanks for all this typing Nixie Dec 2021 #311
I'm partial to a good straight whiskey myself but I keep the liquor cabinet stocked with a variety. PTWB Dec 2021 #312
Thanks for continuing to explain yourself Nixie Dec 2021 #313
I was just having a discussion with a friend about sailing. PTWB Dec 2021 #314
You've been typing to me so you haven't been Nixie Dec 2021 #315
Anyone looking for an interesting series on YouTube should check out Sampson Boat Co. PTWB Dec 2021 #316
Thanks for all this typing Nixie Dec 2021 #317
The 2032 battery will always have a place in my stash of batteries. PTWB Dec 2021 #318
Thanks for your devotion Nixie Dec 2021 #319
I prefer my bathroom wastebaskets with lids. PTWB Dec 2021 #320
Thanks for the typing Nixie Dec 2021 #321
I've grown partial to peep sights on my lever guns. PTWB Dec 2021 #322
Thanks for the revelations Nixie Dec 2021 #323
My eyes aren't what they were when I was a teenager but they're still pretty sharp. PTWB Dec 2021 #325
Thanks for the devotion Nixie Dec 2021 #326
I bought my first pair of Darn Tough socks exclusively for hunting... PTWB Dec 2021 #327
Still explaining yourself. Nixie Dec 2021 #329
Darn Tough socks are a fantastic wool blend that seem to last for ages. PTWB Dec 2021 #330
Thanks for all the typing Nixie Dec 2021 #331
It's time to take my vitamin! PTWB Dec 2021 #332
Oh, and thanks for the reminder that my post said Nixie Dec 2021 #218
Is that why the doctor asked him what he was doing in Michigan? N/T lapucelle Dec 2021 #22
I wonder if the doctor might have been wondering if Bernie was having another cardiac arrest TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #131
... SMC22307 Dec 2021 #176
Why the surprise? TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #181
I get that you're trying to portray... SMC22307 Dec 2021 #263
If people believe that Bernie is unhealthy and a heart attack waiting to happen TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #273
People will make that judgment based on sour grapes. SMC22307 Dec 2021 #276
. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #278
Post music videos all you want, Bernie didn't fuck over Biden. SMC22307 Dec 2021 #282
. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #287
Oof. PTWB Dec 2021 #294
Seriously, Maserati Manchin or Bernie Sanders... SMC22307 Dec 2021 #336
Some of the pictures leave me scratching my head. lapucelle Dec 2021 #229
When did Bernie ever have a cardiac arrest? nt. Mariana Dec 2021 #338
Bernie Sanders had a heart attack, doctors say TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #339
A heart attack and a cardiac arrest are VERY different things. Mariana Dec 2021 #340
So I messed up and typed cardiac arrest rather than heart attack. My bad. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #341
That's different than the quote in the OP. Do you have a different source? n/t sl8 Dec 2021 #185
"What are you doing here" is exactly what the doctor said. The location was Michigan, lapucelle Dec 2021 #191
Do you not see a difference? sl8 Dec 2021 #194
Well then I'm glad I could clear that up for you. "Here" could mean Michigan, a city in Michigan , lapucelle Dec 2021 #198
Yes, "here" could mean any of those things. But, you changed the "here" in the quote to "Michigan". sl8 Dec 2021 #207
I didn't change a quote. Nor did I even quote anyone. It would be simple to sort out any difficulty lapucelle Dec 2021 #212
OK. n/t sl8 Dec 2021 #226
Man of the people. No Wall St speeches for Bernie. jalan48 Dec 2021 #24
Man of the Gun Business voting to protect them from lawsuits JI7 Dec 2021 #337
Nice malaise Dec 2021 #25
This man has been fighting for the working person his entire career. llmart Dec 2021 #31
+2 berniesandersmittens Dec 2021 #39
+1 area51 Dec 2021 #53
indefatigable NJCher Dec 2021 #35
What a great guy. Sienna86 Dec 2021 #37
Here's my problem. nolabear Dec 2021 #42
'Sanders Leads Letter with Senators in Support of Striking Kellogg Workers' Donkees Dec 2021 #59
Wasn't that almost two months ago? George II Dec 2021 #72
That's what the date of the press release says... Violet_Crumble Dec 2021 #137
Wasn't he taking the lead, as head of Budget Comm, to pass as much through the reconciliation JudyM Dec 2021 #92
According to your link, it's unlikely that Sanders is on a tour to advance the President's agenda.. lapucelle Dec 2021 #143
Lapucelle, that was an along-the-way link I pulled; he fully supported it. JudyM Dec 2021 #190
JudyM, so he wasn't in Michigan on December 18 to promote Biden's BBB plan? N/T lapucelle Dec 2021 #193
Not sure what you're asking. Our party leadership switched gears from BBB to voting rights. JudyM Dec 2021 #197
President Biden gave the nod with his announcement on Thursday. lapucelle Dec 2021 #201
Ok, I see what you are getting at but I personally don't see this as slacking off. JudyM Dec 2021 #210
Agreeing to disagree the reasonable and collegial thing to do. The world would be a better place lapucelle Dec 2021 #214
This message was self-deleted by its author JudyM Dec 2021 #211
The's has nothing to do with that. He's in Michigan to visit .... George II Dec 2021 #144
It is often said Democrats are bad at messaging mountain grammy Dec 2021 #105
'If you love America, then you love the workers of this country.' Donkees Dec 2021 #140
Heh... I can only see one large horizontal exchange in this thread! demmiblue Dec 2021 #142
Maybe you could post the context of your snipped quote. Nixie Dec 2021 #151
I'm just here to see if it goes to 300 Sympthsical Dec 2021 #297
The responses must be interesting! demmiblue Dec 2021 #333
"Productive". So copying snips from other threads is Nixie Dec 2021 #342
No part of any of this has been productive Sympthsical Dec 2021 #343
True. There were a few interesting points, and then Nixie Dec 2021 #344
50 Senators just like Bernie, and President Biden's agenda would already be Roisin Ni Fiachra Dec 2021 #147
Love Bernie.. whathehell Dec 2021 #149
The symmetry of the crossed legs in the 3rd picture reminds me of a fisherman's knot. sl8 Dec 2021 #171
Here's the letter from President Biden that Bernie read at Kellogg's rally: Donkees Dec 2021 #217
More Bernie's and Biden's, please... SMC22307 Dec 2021 #265
K&R Hiawatha Pete Dec 2021 #242
k&r Demovictory9 Dec 2021 #324
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2021 #328
That logo in the hoodie, fifth picture down is BADASS Caliman73 Dec 2021 #334
There are several versions of those union 'strike' shirts online ... Donkees Dec 2021 #335

C Moon

(12,188 posts)
130. I don't know if you're joking, but it took me a while to figure out "TFG" means
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 01:24 AM
Dec 2021

the former guy (trump).
Well, it only took me one time to google it. But it took me a long time to think about googling it. Never mind.

lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
4. I thought he was supposed to be working on the SALT deduction compromise for BBB.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:18 PM
Dec 2021

There's still a placeholder on page 750 of the latest version of the bill.

We all know that it's typical for politicians engage in photo ops during their spare time, but legislation can't be brought to the floor until it's actually written.

==============================================================



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https://www.finance.senate.gov/chairmans-news/finance-committee-releases-updated-build-back-better-text

caraher

(6,276 posts)
10. This amendment is all on Bernie?
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:39 PM
Dec 2021

Plus he does have a staff (do you really imagine that these amendments only get written in-person by senators themselves)?

Meanwhile we have a major labor action, and his presence brings the strike to the attention of people (many of whom are still buying Kellogg products ignorant (willfully and not) of their labor practices.

When you have Bernie's profile it's completely responsible to use it in this way.

lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
14. It's not an amendment. It's a section of the bill. The responsible thing for legislators to do
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 05:04 PM
Dec 2021

is to actually do the hard work of legislating.

He had been working on that part of the bill with Senator Menendez.

SALT-Cap Talks Falter as Sanders, Menendez Negotiate Details

Negotiations in the Senate over expanding the state and local tax deduction hit a new snag with two key lawmakers at odds over whether the plan should raise revenue for other spending priorities in President Joe Biden’s economic agenda.

Senator Bob Menendez, a New Jersey Democrat, told reporters Monday that Senator Bernie Sanders has “walked away” from a previously-agreed-to plan that changes to the deduction be revenue neutral over the 10-year budget window, which would allow for a more generous tax break.

Sanders said on Monday he wants the reworked SALT deduction to raise revenue -- which he says could amount to a couple hundred billion dollars -- to pay for expanding dental and vision health coverage under Medicare.

“We said that we believe that the SALT should be whatever is revenue neutral,” Menendez said Monday. “And that’s what I thought we were doing. Now it seems that he has desires of using some of that revenue by cutting back.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-29/salt-cap-talks-falter-as-sanders-menendez-negotiate-details

lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
44. What are you talking about? According B. Sanders capping SALT at $10,000 was regressive and unjust.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 07:40 PM
Dec 2021
"One of the many negative aspects of the Trump tax cut was to limit deductions on state and local taxes to $10,000. That resulted in millions of middle class and working class families being forced to pay more in their federal taxation. That was a regressive and unfair proposal and this congress must rectify it."

- Senator Bernard Sanders, November 3, 2021



Celerity

(42,646 posts)
100. $20K or 30K is reasonable. 80K is just a gift to the richest 10-20%, and in reality a huge chunk of
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 11:22 PM
Dec 2021

that goes to the top 1% (which takes a minimum net worth of over 11 million usd just to qualify as a 1%er).

ProfessorGAC

(64,413 posts)
245. Agreed
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 07:04 PM
Dec 2021

If one's SALT deduction are $80k per year, I'd say they don't need the help the tax reduction provides.

paleotn

(17,778 posts)
75. Maybe he didn't like the compromise.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 09:50 PM
Dec 2021

Who knows? Regardless, my point is I'm pretty sure Sanders and his staff can keep multiple balls in the air. Neither you nor I know what's going on outside of occasional news coverage. Just because he was in MI for a bit doesn't mean he and his staff aren't "doing the hard work of legislating."

George II

(67,782 posts)
77. "Neither you nor I know what's going on outside of occasional news coverage."
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 10:00 PM
Dec 2021

That's exactly what many of us have been saying about Manchin's negotiations.

What's the difference?

lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
80. Sanders touted the compromise in a Youtube video on November 3.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 10:08 PM
Dec 2021
"One of the many negative aspects of the Trump tax cut was to limit deductions on state and local taxes to $10,000. That resulted in millions of middle class and working class families being forced to pay more in their federal taxation. That was a regressive and unfair proposal and this congress must rectify it."

- Senator Bernard Sanders, November 3, 2021


George II

(67,782 posts)
19. There was a tentative settlement agreement already reached on Thursday. Plus, yesterday and today...
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 05:36 PM
Dec 2021

....there were 23 votes in the Senate. His staff can't cast votes for judges and ambassadors and for other purposes.

TheFarseer

(9,308 posts)
90. Right
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 10:44 PM
Dec 2021

I love that he is out with regular people trying to understand what real Americans are going through and NOT working on a tax deduction for people who are already wealthy.

questionseverything

(9,631 posts)
27. With 20 repubs gone we didn't need him there
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 06:02 PM
Dec 2021

I feel it is way more important to support the striking kelloggs workers

TexasTowelie

(111,292 posts)
40. Is Bernie's presence going to help any of the fired workers to get rehired?
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 06:33 PM
Dec 2021

I support the workers cause, understand their grievances, and also their right to strike. However, the risk when engaging in a strike is that it could lead to termination of employment. Unless a worker is in a highly specialized skill in demand, I don't understand why Kellogg's would hire any of those workers back since they aren't satisfied with their job and could even present security risks. If the strike only last a few days, then I could see everyone reconciling with each other, but since it has lasted so long it most likely has led to animosity and hostility that from Kellogg's vantage point it may be best to start with a new workforce.

There may be more people that hear about the strike since Bernie attended, but I doubt that a strike on Kellogg's is going to have any substantial effect on the bottom line. A senator's real job (the one where they are paid a six-figure salary) is to negotiate and vote on legislation rather than attend a union rally. From what I understand further negotiation is needed on BBB. If Bernie wants BBB to pass then he needs to be in Washington D.C. performing the job that provides a paycheck rather than at a union rally Battle Creek, Michigan that will likely have no effect on the workers on strike.

questionseverything

(9,631 posts)
41. We can agree to disagree
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 07:01 PM
Dec 2021

The biggest reason I want the strikers to win is I want my food, including cereal made here

TexasTowelie

(111,292 posts)
43. Considering that Kellogg's was going to replace the union workers with scabs
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 07:25 PM
Dec 2021

that leads me to believe that the food would still be processed (and yes, it is processed food) at the same location? If anything, the continuation of the strike makes it less likely that the jobs would remain in Michigan. It's the same mistake that the UAW made, they had a level of conceit believing that they were the only ones who could make vehicles to be sold to American consumers. The union and the management were both surprised when the foreign car producers caught up with that demand and offered superior products.

When faced with the option of buying products of comparable quality, most consumers are going to choose the product with the lowest price and won't even look at where the product originated.

questionseverything

(9,631 posts)
45. We drive American made vehicles at my 🏡
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 07:48 PM
Dec 2021

I know supporting Americans making a decent living might be old fashioned but we will as long as it’s possible

TexasTowelie

(111,292 posts)
68. We did the same at my house. Every car that I ever drove was made in the USA.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 09:32 PM
Dec 2021

However, that isn't true for everybody. A lot of Americans started driving foreign made vehicles because they were less expensive, were more fuel-efficient, or they were upset with all of the mechanical failures in American-made products, particularly from about 1975 through 1990.

One of my friends from high school and college was as much of a patriot and a conservative as anyone I know, yet his first vehicle was a Mitsubishi and his father had a Toyota rotary engine truck. The irony was that my friend's father joined the Army during World War II and was involved with codebreaking Japanese communications. I don't believe that either of them had an issue with union labor and dependability was the primary motivator in their decisions.

lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
46. Middle and working class families bearing the burden of unjust, regressive taxation
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 07:50 PM
Dec 2021

need him working on the SALT deduction compromise in Washington, like he promised.

"One of the many negative aspects of the Trump tax cut was to limit deductions on state and local taxes to $10,000. That resulted in millions of middle class and working class families being forced to pay more in their federal taxation. That was a regressive and unfair proposal and this congress must rectify it."

- Senator Bernard Sanders, November 3, 2021

questionseverything

(9,631 posts)
49. I guess you missed the memo , bbb is dead
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 07:57 PM
Dec 2021

I am curious though, how much does a house have to cost, how much does a person need to make to get close to $80 grand? In salt cost

lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
52. SALT is comprised of ALL State And Local Taxes, not just property taxes.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 08:06 PM
Dec 2021
State And Local Taxes...maybe that's clearer.

See how that works now? It includes state and local income taxes, sales taxes, commuter taxes, and property taxes. And Trump and the Republicans capped the deduction at $10,000, not $80,000.

No one has received any memos that BBB is dead, least of all US Senators who are supposed to be working on the legislation.

questionseverything

(9,631 posts)
62. Thanks for the snark
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 08:54 PM
Dec 2021

I think 80,000 is the number some democrats were hoping would replace the 10,000

To be clear I think property taxes on a modest home should be deductible but properties valued past a certain point should not have their taxes be deductible

questionseverything

(9,631 posts)
70. The 80 grand number is too high
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 09:33 PM
Dec 2021

How much money does a person have to make to be paying $80,000/year in salt?

lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
79. The Senate plan would would tie the cap to income.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 10:04 PM
Dec 2021
House version (already passed)
The House bill raises the cap to $80,000 through 2030 and then reinstates the $10,000 cap.

Senate proposal:
Eliminate the cap for families with incomes under $400,000 - $550,000 and gradually restore the cap for the wealthy.

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As it stands in the 2017 Trump tax giveaway, the $10,000 cap will expire in 2025, and there will be no cap whatsoever on SALT deductions.


https://www.lohud.com/story/news/2021/11/19/salt-cap-congress-tax-deduction/8679684002/

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/19/house-democrats-pass-package-with-80000-salt-cap-through-2030.html

questionseverything

(9,631 posts)
84. Bernie wants the limit to be $400,000
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 10:25 PM
Dec 2021

The 550,000 gets doubled for a couple according to what the nj senator wants

Rich guy problems

questionseverything

(9,631 posts)
138. Way too much reading to find the point you misrepresent
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 06:34 AM
Dec 2021

Basically jen is defending a tax cut for people making over $400,000/ year

If and it’s a big if

That’s where the “totality” of the bill leads us

She repeatedly says it wasn’t Biden’s priority

lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
141. The entire Congressional Progressive Caucus voted to raise the deduction cap to $80,000.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 09:11 AM
Dec 2021

The best solution might be for the Senate to simply leave the $80,000 deduction cap in place in their version of the bill.

Anyone aligned with the progressive wing should be aware that every member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus voted in favor of the $80,000 cap. That might help to forestall toxic facebook and twitter punditry by folks unaware of the facts.

Anyone troubled that Ms. Psaki is equally willing to defend both the Congressional Progressive Caucus's vote in favor of raising the cap to $80,000 and the more moderate blue state senators who want a compromise cap tied to income levels of $550,000 and below needs to remember that this is President Biden's agenda and she speaks for his administration.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
146. "Thanks for the snark" ... Good grief. Seriously?
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 09:47 AM
Dec 2021
"Thanks for the snark"
Good grief. Seriously? And so, does that mean the opening shot of "I guess you missed the memo" isn't snark? GMAB.

Funny.


Happy Holidays! 🎄🎅

druidity33

(6,435 posts)
57. Your arguments are anti-Union...
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 08:33 PM
Dec 2021

whether you want them to be or not. These are Union workers working under a contract that they believe is not being upheld. Many of those jobs demand months of training. These workers were being FORCED to work 60+ hour weeks on pain of being fired. We need to support these workers. And we need to implore the company to pay the workers a better wage and hire more workers at those wages so that people don't have to work 60+ hour weeks! Denigrating the strikers is not cool, Texas.



nwliberalkiwi

(366 posts)
61. Agree With You
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 08:53 PM
Dec 2021

Very much agree with you on the anti-union talk. Glad Bernie is there on the ground spotlighting the union members on the picket lines. Not only is the company hiring scabs, but they want to send the jobs out of country!!!

TexasTowelie

(111,292 posts)
98. ROTFL.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 11:16 PM
Dec 2021

Last edited Sun Dec 19, 2021, 12:08 AM - Edit history (1)

Did you know that I was the region president for the Texas Public Employees Association when I worked for the state about 25 years ago? TPEA isn't a union; however, I did stick up for employee/retiree rights and benefits including organizing rallies and events. I also met with my state senator and state representative to advocate for our agenda.

I was recruited to join TPEA by another employee within the first three months of beginning employment after graduating college and was an active member for nearly 13 years afterwards. The agency that I worked for did not have a union chapter organized so I joined the group that could advocate for my interests. However, I did interact and coordinate with employees at other government agencies that had union representation. I never had any issues with the union members and as far as I know, they didn't have any issues with me.

Now that I've provided you some of my background, do you actually believe that I'm anti-union since you obviously reached a conclusion about me without knowing the facts?

TexasTowelie

(111,292 posts)
87. The union workers were working under an expired contract that was being renegotiated.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 10:32 PM
Dec 2021

The contract was being adhered to while the negotiations were taking place. The workers also rejected a tentative deal. While I support unions, I also recognize that companies are not required to pay any more than what they believe an employee is worth. Otherwise, everybody could form a union, sit out on strike, and demand that they are paid $250K a year because an expired contract still keeps their job unfilled.

Furthermore, I was a salaried worker (non-managerial) and I was FORCED to work up to 80 hours a week or risk being fired. I also didn't have the benefit of a union even though I would have joined, but the other employees had no interest in joining a union. From the perspective of some of those colleagues, the unions took a hit to their reputations because of corruption (most recently with the convictions of UAW officials in Michigan). I'm not intending to be anti-union with that statement, but I'm not going to avoid pointing out facts

I also did not receive any additional compensation beyond my salary or even straight comp time when I worked extra hours so I really don't want to be lectured by someone who hasn't walked in my one remaining shoe--hell, I haven't walked in that one shoe for the past 16 months, all I do is hop around on my walker hoping that I don't bust my ass. Considering that a lot of salaried workers put in extra hours each week as part of their jobs with no additional compensation, the employees at Kellogg's are not significantly different than anyone else that has been in the workforce for the last two or three decades. If someone wants to work an eight-hour day Monday through Friday and then be home for supper every night or going to soccer practice, then they are going to earn less than someone else that does put in the additional effort and is available to work outside of a traditional work schedule.

As stated above, if the striking workers have some skills that are essential then they will be rehired. If they don't posses an essential skill then they will likely be replaced. That's not intended to disparage the strikers, but once they step onto that picket line they are rolling the dice and making a gamble on being in an adversarial relationship with their employer. I don't wish any harm to any of the strikers, but there was no guarantee that their demands would be met.

I guess that anything besides 100% unwavering support could be considered as anti-union. However, pointing out that the working conditions aren't completely out of line with other companies, the fact that the strikers worked under an expired contract, and that employment is not guaranteed for anyone are factual statements rather than anti-union statements.

It does look like a tentative agreement will be voted on soon. Considering Kellogg's position about hiring non-union workers, I hope that the employees on strike come to their senses and ratify the agreement. They are on the brink of overplaying their cards and as brutal as it might be to work 80 hours a week, I can think of something even worse: being unemployed for 168 hours a week, living out in the cold or in a homeless shelter, and scrounging for food. Been there, done that. It's a matter of perspective.

druidity33

(6,435 posts)
94. Contracts expire
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 10:52 PM
Dec 2021

when Companies drag their feet. 80 hour work weeks are meant to break the workers. You sure this hasn't been staged by the company to divest of its contracts? If the Company wants to find an excuse to bring the factory and the workers elsewhere, they will find it. If the conditions are substandard here and the conditions are similar elsewhere, we should be lobbying for better pay IN THE INDUSTRY AS A WHOLE. What are their wages compared to fast food employees? And i'm sorry if you were management and taken advantage of as a salaried worker, but you took that gamble when you signed up for that shit. Your bias is showing... gotta make sure those shareholders make their profit!



TexasTowelie

(111,292 posts)
107. If that is the case, then Bernie's trip was useless beyond providing solace to the strikers.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 11:50 PM
Dec 2021

You're also welcome to go lobby for whomever you wish. I'm in a wheelchair, and I'm lucky to get out of the apartment a couple times a week so I'm at the phase of my life where I cannot be an effective advocate for much of anything; particularly, when I have other challenges in my personal life and health issues that take priority.

BTW, I need to correct you and state that I was never a managerial level employee--I was a rank-and-file employee just like those that decided to strike at Kellogg's. As for my time working in the private sector, it wasn't a matter of the company working us to death in an effort to shut us down--it was actually the opposite because my employer was trying to attract new contracts and in the process they underbid those contracts so that the only way the company could meet its obligations was having us work around the clock. It was in our best interest to try and make the company successful even while making substantial sacrifices to our personal health and to our social lives; otherwise, everyone would have ended up unemployed. I was never considered for a managerial position because my technical and analytical skills were among the strongest at the employers where I worked. The joke of course was "those who can, do, those who can't get promoted."

You might also want to read post #98 since you erroneously made assumptions about my bias. That's the second error in your reply. You might want to read my profile also.

I'll be waiting for your apology.

questionseverything

(9,631 posts)
221. It's so sad that you gave up your life working 80 hours a week
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 04:01 PM
Dec 2021

And some how your employer convinced you it was for your best interest

There’s always another place to make a living

TexasTowelie

(111,292 posts)
225. Ah, another snarky bullshit comment from you. I guess you had to meet your quota?
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 04:20 PM
Dec 2021

Yes having a job versus being unemployed was in my best interest even if I had to work extra hours. I don't need anyone to convince me that having a paycheck is better than not having a paycheck.

As for finding another job, there aren't many lead programmer jobs at property casualty insurance companies because of low turnover, particularly since I didn't want to leave Texas for various social and family reasons like my father having Parkinson's disease before he died.

The only times that I quit any jobs were when I quit my on campus job after graduating college and when I already had a job offer from another employer. I never jumped ship without a plan. Considering that I was putting in so many hours at work, when was I supposed to search for another job or schedule interviews without giving warning to the current employer that I was preparing to abandon them? Please answer my question since you are so knowledgeable and full of smugness.

questionseverything

(9,631 posts)
227. I wasn't being snarky, I am being sincere
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 04:29 PM
Dec 2021

There are other choices besides working your life away for people that don’t give a damn about you

Sometimes less money isn’t the end of the world

TexasTowelie

(111,292 posts)
230. Well, I guess that I could have returned home to live with my father and been an unemployed bum.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 05:00 PM
Dec 2021

Or maybe you think that I should have gone to a homeless shelter instead. Or maybe I could have found another job, but it would have meant taking a pay cut of 25%-30% which also would have lead to going to a homeless shelter. Yes, I had a mountain of wonderful choices, but they weren't options that a rational person would choose.

Meanwhile, your comment stated:

It's so sad that you gave up your life working 80 hours a week

And some how your employer convinced you it was for your best interest


If that isn't snark, what the hell is? Your insistence that it wasn't snark is .

Response to questionseverything (Reply #27)

Bettie

(15,998 posts)
150. Showing support to union workers is important
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:17 AM
Dec 2021

these are people we can reach, a way our side can show that we are different than the other side (which supports management, in almost all cases).

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
26. Some people get themselves worked up into a tizzy anytime a progressive does anything progressive.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 05:56 PM
Dec 2021

I suspect it is because they have guilty consciences. They know progressives doing progressive things shines a spotlight on moderates doing nothing. They support those moderates so they have to start barking in every thread highlighting what it means to stand up for, and with, the people.

Bernie is standing in solidarity with striking workers. If Joe Biden was out there doing what Bernie is doing, these folks would be singing his praises (as would I, and everyone else here, because standing with the workers is the right thing to do!), but because it's Bernie, the attack dogs come out to bark, bark, bark.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
32. All the picketing workers must be figments of your imagination, then.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 06:10 PM
Dec 2021

Or could it be that the situation is complex, the agreement tentative, and the workers are still striking on the picket line?

Hmm.

https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2021/12/sen-bernie-sanders-rallies-in-battle-creek-as-kellogg-strike-continues.html


https://www.npr.org/2021/12/17/1065303655/kelloggs-strike-tentative-deal


Go Bernie!! Power to the people!!

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
34. You need to look up the word "tentative"
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 06:16 PM
Dec 2021

I don’t think it means what you think it means.

The workers are still picketing. Bernie is standing in solidarity with those picketing.

https://www.npr.org/2021/12/17/1065303655/kelloggs-strike-tentative-deal

Kellogg's workers will vote on another tentative deal, but the strike may still go on

Even as the Kellogg Co. and the union representing its cereal plant workers jointly announced a tentative agreement to put an end to the months-long strike at the company's four U.S.-based cereal plants, workers at a rally in Michigan criticized the deal in a hint that the strike could continue even longer.

"It's a Trojan horse that's been given to us that's going to allow us to basically harm ourselves down the road," said Trevor Bidelman, a mechanical technician at the Battle Creek plant and the president of the local union, at the rally.

Union members will vote over the next few days. Results are expected Tuesday.




Bernie is a true hero to the working class.
 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
38. It means not certain; provisional.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 06:21 PM
Dec 2021

The agreement isn’t certain. It hasn’t been approved. The workers are still striking. The workers are still picketing.

And Bernie Sanders is standing with those workers.

lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
50. It would be better if he were in Washington working to do what he promised.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 07:57 PM
Dec 2021
November 3, 2021:

"One of the many negative aspects of the Trump tax cut was to limit deductions on state and local taxes to $10,000. That resulted in millions of middle class and working class families being forced to pay more in their federal taxation. That was a regressive and unfair proposal and this congress must rectify it."

- Senator Bernard Sanders


========================================================================================

December 11, 2021:

_____________________________________________________________________________________________

_____________________________________________________________________________________________

https://www.finance.senate.gov/chairmans-news/finance-committee-releases-updated-build-back-better-text



 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
54. I'd rather have him on the picket lines.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 08:19 PM
Dec 2021

We are still trying to pass the BBB only because right wingers have been holding it hostage.

lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
56. The bill isn't being held hostage. BBB hasn't been introduced because it isn't fully written.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 08:32 PM
Dec 2021

Certain provisions are past due.

No photo op is as important as keeping promises made to working and middle class families.

"One of the many negative aspects of the Trump tax cut was to limit deductions on state and local taxes to $10,000. That resulted in millions of middle class and working class families being forced to pay more in their federal taxation. That was a regressive and unfair proposal and this congress must rectify it."

- Senator Bernard Sanders, November 3, 2021


 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
119. BBB hasn't been fully written because right wing obstructionists have made unreasonable demands.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 12:38 AM
Dec 2021

Take it up with them if you don't like it.

Meanwhile, Go Bernie!

lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
139. A fiery indepenant senator walked away from an agreement that the SALT cap be budget neutral,
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 08:42 AM
Dec 2021

so there is still nothing but a placeholder on page 750 of the bill. While I don't think it's fair for anyone to call him a "right wing obstructionist", it would probably be better for the country if photo ops were put to the side until the actual work is done.

Senators unwilling to craft a compromise for a section of the BBB bill called "Compromise on Deduction for State and Local Taxes" should probably just accept the House version of that portion of the bill and raise the SALT deduction cap to $80,000.

Since the entire Congressional Progressive Caucus voted for that particular tax break, anyone likewise aligned should probably "take it up with them if they don't like it".

Meanwhile, for anyone who has walked away to do other things,

Go back to the table! Do the actual work that you were elected to do!

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Everybody has been concerned about whether or not Manchin and Sinema would support this. The question now is whether Bernie Sanders will support it,” [Ross K. Baker, a professor of political science at Rutgers University, who has held several fellowships in the Senate] said.

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100216157918#post92
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/578399-sanders-faces-difficult-choice-on-slimmed-down-budget-bill

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https://www.finance.senate.gov/download/finance-committee-build-back-better-text-


Nixie

(16,920 posts)
58. Or maybe some people call missing votes "progressive"
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 08:35 PM
Dec 2021

when it’s nothing of the sort. Maybe some people realize there will be a lot of barking excuses for missing votes or voting with Republicans, even.

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
76. You sound familiar, too.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 09:55 PM
Dec 2021

Making things personal as possible doesn’t really address that some people notice Senators who miss votes.

Or they notice others who vote with Republicans, which doesn’t sound too “progressive.”

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
78. Personal?
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 10:03 PM
Dec 2021

I don’t think it’s “‘making things personal” to observe and comment on a pattern. Certain posters routinely disparage progressive leaders in threads that celebrate those leaders doing progressive things.

Pointing that out is somehow making it personal?

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
81. Maybe you take Bernie's two losses personally? Isn't that
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 10:17 PM
Dec 2021

also a pattern?

It’s also a pattern for “certain posters” to make it seem like Bernie’s losses are about a few people here, but he was soundly rejected twice with many people voting besides “certain posters.”

So thanks for showing that pattern, as well. It’s also very familiar.

But about this thread, maybe some people don’t see missing votes as “progressive” when it’s the opposite. Voting with Republicans isn’t “progressive” either.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
83. Bernie was not my preferred candidate this past cycle. How does that gel with your imagined pattern?
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 10:22 PM
Dec 2021

The pattern here, though, is quite clear: a progressive leader does something progressive, a thread is posted to celebrate that leader, and the usual suspects show up to shit all over that leader.

It happens every single time. That's a pattern.

When you said it seemed like I was making it personal by pointing the pattern out, were you saying you take it personally?

My profuse and sincere apologies if I hurt your feelings!!

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
85. Ooh, that sounds so familiar, too. I've heard that. Also
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 10:30 PM
Dec 2021

part of the “pattern,” it seems.

But since you have posts in this thread, it’s those that reveal your accusations about others. It’s a familiar pattern, too.

Anyway, none of your comments are about the observation that missing votes isn’t “progressive.” Voting for Republicans isn’t “progressive,” either, so your personal distractions are kind of a fail here.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
89. You're welcome.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 10:43 PM
Dec 2021

You’ve got an active imagination, for sure! I bet that comes in handy when you’re trying to do something creative.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
93. My goal is always to get responses!
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 10:52 PM
Dec 2021

I’ve found that pointing out inconvenient truths and calling out hypocrisy tend to get the most responses. Unfortunately, it also tends to make my posts less than popular with folks being admonished for their behavior.

But THANK YOU for noticing! I appreciate it. Hugs!!

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
95. Ah, more revelations!
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 10:58 PM
Dec 2021

What a revealing post about you! Some posters have this pattern, as well. Some talk more about DUers than anything else.

Anyway, about this thread, it looks like some posters don’t agree with you that missing votes is “progressive” and neither is voting for Republicans “progressive”.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
97. What do you suppose is worse?
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 11:02 PM
Dec 2021

Attacking progressive leaders or calling out posters who attack progressive leaders on a regular basis?

Once again, if you took that personally I am SO SO SORRY for hurting your feelings. That was not my intent at all.

Hugs!!

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
101. Thanks for revealing yourself, but it sounds like you're the one
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 11:30 PM
Dec 2021

with hurt feelings. Your comments sound like projection.

Back to the thread, it looks like calling missing votes “progressive” was a fail.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
102. Oh dear, let not your heart be troubled!
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 11:33 PM
Dec 2021

Hurt feelings? I am happier than a pig in shit! I’ve got my favorite playmate to banter back and forth with.

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
103. More revelations about your motives.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 11:37 PM
Dec 2021

Thank you.

But it looks like your personal goals are still a fail — it looks like others don’t agree that missing votes means you are a “progressive leader.”

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
104. We've talked about this before, friend!
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 11:41 PM
Dec 2021

Have you forgotten? There is no greater amusement, remember?

I’m dying!! 🤣🤣🤣

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
106. Thanks for the revelations about your vendettas,
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 11:48 PM
Dec 2021

but your many personal distractions are still a fail, considering it looks that others don’t agree that missing votes makes one a “progressive leader.”

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
108. The current amusement is one of the best yet.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 11:52 PM
Dec 2021

I’m sure you’re intentionally playing along now 🤣

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
109. Why would I interrupt you revealing yourself.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 11:58 PM
Dec 2021

Please proceed. I love your irony about “patterns,” as well.

But it’s interesting you can’t accept that missing votes doesn’t make someone a “progressive leader” as you were trying to set up. LOL

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
111. I'll be happy to point out that missing votes doesn't
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 12:03 AM
Dec 2021

make someone a “progressive leader.”

LOL indeed.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
112. You're almost there!
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 12:06 AM
Dec 2021

One more time and I’ll be satisfied, can you do me that favor? Hugs!!

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
113. I'll be happy to thank you again for revealing
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 12:11 AM
Dec 2021

your motives.

But it looks like you can’t admit that missing votes doesn’t mean someone is a “progressive leader” which means your personal comments about other DUers are off base as well. Edit:post 18 simply mentioned that Bernie missed votes.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
114. Lol, you actually did it 🤣
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 12:14 AM
Dec 2021

That’s 10 times, RB. Ten. Times.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Later, buddy! Hugs!!

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
115. Thanks to you for your dozen or so self revelations.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 12:16 AM
Dec 2021

It’s appreciated, and also predictable.

Yes, bye and have a nice night. We’re watching a movie, so time to go.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
116. You too! Have a good movie and a good night, my friend.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 12:20 AM
Dec 2021

I still can’t believe you did it ten times in one thread. 🤣🤣🤣

Thanks for playing along.

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
117. But you have more posts here since you started with post 26.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 12:26 AM
Dec 2021

You could have answered with actual content way before “10” posts — if your posts had any content besides personal distractions/obsessions.



 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
118. Ten posts? No, something much more specific.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 12:34 AM
Dec 2021

But you’re getting closer!

r/selfawarewolves

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
120. You stated I had 10 posts. But you have more, so
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 12:40 AM
Dec 2021

another personal fail.

It sounds like another distraction from the fact that you said missing votes makes someone a “progressive leader” when that’s quite an unbelievable tangent, actually.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
121. I didn't say state you had 10 posts. Try again, LOL!
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 12:42 AM
Dec 2021

I was talking about something much more specific (and much more amusing).

That's 11!

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
122. Thanks for admitting you are full of distractions.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 12:44 AM
Dec 2021

I appreciate your revelations.

But none of this takes away from you trying to pass off missing votes as “progressive leadership.” LOL

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
123. I didn't say that either.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 12:45 AM
Dec 2021

But if you're feeling distracted, then I suppose I am full of distractions! You, my friend, are full of amusements.

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
124. You are quite a laugh yourself.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 12:46 AM
Dec 2021

For instance, trying to pass off missing votes as “progressive leadership” is pretty funny stuff.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
125. LOL
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 12:47 AM
Dec 2021

I thought you were playing along to humor me before but now I'm not sure if it's intentional. Yikes!

12

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
126. Yes, I've said a few times that I thank you for your
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 12:50 AM
Dec 2021

personal revelations. It’s much appreciated.

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
128. Also observant, like noticing that saying missing votes
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 12:54 AM
Dec 2021

doesn’t mean someone is a progressive leader.

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
132. That doesn't dismiss the fact that missing votes doesn't make
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 01:34 AM
Dec 2021

someone a progressive leader, and that has nothing to do with DUers. It’s just common sense.

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
148. Thanks for your apology about not staying on topic.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:10 AM
Dec 2021

The post you initially responded to was on topic in this thread about Bernie’s whereabouts and I found it very informative, actually. I always appreciate the efforts to add grounded commentary about the Independent from Vermont. It’s often needed, as we see here.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
152. Good morning, RB!
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:33 AM
Dec 2021

You’re very welcome. It’s my sincerest hope that you’ll be able to continue our banter without feeling so distracted. You mentioned how distracted you were feeling, repeatedly, and I’m sorry I didn’t acknowledge that sooner.

My mistake. Hugs!

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
153. Except the topic of the thread isn't me.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:37 AM
Dec 2021

So this is another distraction which you just apologized for.

The topic of the thread is “Bernie, what are you doing here.” The first post you responded to was about Bernie missing votes.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
154. Friend, the topic of many of your replies has been your feeling distracted.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:38 AM
Dec 2021

That’s what I’m apologizing for. I am sorry you’re feeling distracted!

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
155. Wrong again. I'm not the topic of this thread.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:40 AM
Dec 2021

No matter how much you want to discuss me, Bernie is the topic of this thread. Thread topic “Bernie, what are you doing here?”

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
156. Oh dear, RB.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:49 AM
Dec 2021

I wrote that the topic of many of your replies was your feeling distracted. I didn't say anything about the topic of the OP.

I replied to OP and created a sub thread with about malicious posters who have a pattern of attacking progressive leaders. Like clockwork, some of those usual suspects were kind enough to engage with me and bump this thread over, and over, and over.

Another Bump for Bernie!

For reference, you posted about feeling distracted seven times in this sub thread.

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
157. Wrong again, as your posts show otherwise which also exposes your pattern.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:55 AM
Dec 2021

LOL

But thanks again for your self confessions about your motives. None of that has to anything with this thread topic, though. The topic was Bernie's whereabouts, to which you apparently couldn't abide realistic commentary about his missed votes.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
158. What's wrong, RB?
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:58 AM
Dec 2021

You posted that you were feeling distracted seven times in this thread. If you weren't fishing for an apology, why did you post about feeling distracted so many times?

I'm just trying to help! I hope you get to feeling better.

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
159. Except your posts show otherwise. You even apologized for not staying on topic.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:04 AM
Dec 2021

I have encouraged your self revelations, so it's been very informative. I've seen the same before 2019, though.

Anyway, this thread topic is Bernie's whereabouts -- the post that set you off was a mild informative post about Bernie missing votes. It wasn't anything "malicious."



 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
160. I apologized for distracting you because you kept repeating that you were feeling so distracted.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:05 AM
Dec 2021

I'm not interested in your sub thread topic. Shouldn't that be evident by now? LOL!

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
161. But I'm not distracted and have encouraged you to continue revealing yourself.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:10 AM
Dec 2021

It's obvious that you are interested in DUers. I do agree that is your interest. Yes, it is very evident.

LOL

Yet, that doesn't change the fact that the post that apparently set you off was on topic about Bernie. It was a simple post about Bernie missing votes and probably didn't deserve this much angst in response.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
162. So you're claiming now that you're not distracted?
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:12 AM
Dec 2021

Despite previously saying you were distracted seven different times in this sub thread? Maybe you're saying you're not distracted now, but were distracted last night when you wrote all those posts?

Thanks for the Bernie Bump, RB!

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
163. Actually, I have encouraged you to continue revealing your many personal concerns.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:16 AM
Dec 2021

I've just noted they are not on topic with this thread.

Thread title: "Bernie, what are you doing here!?"

I'm correcting my quote of the thread topic since I initially omitted the exclamation point that is in the thread title, which I've now included:
"Bernie, what are you doing here!?"

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
164. You'll be shocked to learn that threads can break off into tangents.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:17 AM
Dec 2021

Imagine what you may learn tomorrow, RB!

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
165. It's not shocking to know that some people actually admit to "break off" tangents.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:21 AM
Dec 2021

Thanks for your many admissions in this thread, but it's more a noticeable "pattern" than anything learned.



Anyway, the thread is not about me, although it's hard to tell from your many posts about me. Thanks for your devotion.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
166. Oh my gosh, no!
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:26 AM
Dec 2021

NOT A TANGENT! RB, you'd better write someone a letter to complain about a sub thread on a thread. Don't let them know it was of your own creation, though. LOL!

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
168. My dear friend, you replied to me first and continue to reply to me.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:33 AM
Dec 2021

You initiated this banter. You choose to continue this banter. It is lighthearted and playful. You're serving my purpose of bumping this thread (amongst other amusements).

What else could I ask for on a beautiful Sunday morning? Hot coffee, banter with a dear friend, and a celebration of Bernie Sanders standing up for the people!

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
169. Thanks for your continued subthread about me!
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:36 AM
Dec 2021

My response was about the post that apparently set you off. That’s interesting you call talking about me banter. But I’m apparently a hot topic for you, it’s undeniable. Thank you.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
170. You're welcome, friend!
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:41 AM
Dec 2021

We could be talking about a window licking circus elephant and I'd be happy to banter with you back and forth about it as long as it accomplished my goal.

Remember when I mentioned the usual suspects (Bernie bashers) who show up to these threads with predictable regularity?

Now imagine my amusement and sheer glee when I manage to convince one of those Bernie bashers to bump an OP celebrating Bernie Sanders... for hours, and hours, and hours.

How's the weather there, RB?

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
172. Thanks again for your many self confessions about
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:44 AM
Dec 2021

your motives. I didn’t even need to type so much since you’ve done it all yourself.

Thank you for your continued devotion to the subthread you’ve created about me!

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
173. My motives need no confession, friend.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:55 AM
Dec 2021

When someone explains something to you that you did not understand initially, that is an explanation, not a confession.

I hope you're having a fine morning. I just got a package (delivered by USPS on a Sunday, more and more common these days) and have some fantastic coffee today. It's a real treat.

One of the skills I learned in business when managing people is that almost everyone has value, even if it appears initially that they've got nothing to offer the company or the team that they've been assigned to. A good manager can find their value and help them realize it. And at first, that employee is rarely even aware that it's happening!

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
174. Thanks again for your self confessions about your devotion
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:56 AM
Dec 2021

to me and this subthread you’ve created.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
175. Your vivid imagination knows no bounds. I'm jealous.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:59 AM
Dec 2021

I appreciate that you took the time to create this sub thread last night, and I appreciate that you continue it today. I've found your value, RB!

You're a good friend.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
178. All you do is post about me. You don't need to project. We can talk about anything you like.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 12:10 PM
Dec 2021

Do you like to go fishing? I do! I love to fish… Casting that line, getting a bite, reeling it in… over, and over, and over.

Fishing is a fun time, but sometimes it’s just too easy. 😄

I went bass fishing a lot this year. It’s too cold now though, at least for my comfort level.

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
179. Thanks for your continued subthread about me!
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 12:34 PM
Dec 2021

The thread topic still is “Bernie, what are you doing here!?” Then there was a post about him missing votes.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
180. I applaud your imagination!
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 12:43 PM
Dec 2021

If you don’t want to talk about fishing, how about hunting? Do you hunt, RB? It’s that time of year in much of the country!

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
183. You're welcome.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 01:11 PM
Dec 2021

You may be mistaken about my motives but you're still useful.

So you don't hunt and you don't fish? I really enjoy both. I picked up a new hunting rifle this year after the legislature removed some of the antiquated restrictions on the lawful calibers for deer hunting. There are a lot of long distance shots where I hunt so the added range really helps.

My deer chili is absolutely fantastic. I just finished a bowl and am thinking of going back for seconds!

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
184. Thanks for more tangent devotion
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 01:13 PM
Dec 2021

You seem heavily invested in this one. It should keep you busy for awhile.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
186. Extremely invested.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 01:19 PM
Dec 2021

Why, the seconds it takes to reply to you add up to entire minutes over the course of the day. The entertainment value that you provide, at no charge, feels almost like stealing.

I'm having a fantastic day, I hope you are too!

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
187. Yes, I'm sure it didn't take much to come up with your deer chili tangent.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 01:29 PM
Dec 2021

That is an easy one, for sure. Thank you.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
188. It's pretty easy to talk about what you're doing at any particular moment.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 01:35 PM
Dec 2021

Thanks for the bump, RB!

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
189. Yes, and deer chili was such an easy tangent. You're right.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 01:38 PM
Dec 2021

You are most welcome to keep up with your devotion to me. Bump for sure!

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
192. I'm devoted to my own amusements.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 01:46 PM
Dec 2021

My current amusement is that I managed to so thoroughly hook one of those most fervent Bernie haters that she’s bumped a thread celebrating Bernie Sanders dozens of times.

Back on topic, I’ve got this fantastic extra sharp Wisconsin cheddar that I slice super thin and put on top of the piping hot chili. It melts almost instantly and oozes down into it to add to the flavor profile.

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
195. This whole subthread is about your self revelations and your motives, as we've
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 01:52 PM
Dec 2021

already established.

And your devotion to many tangents, now Wisconsin cheese.

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
196. Thank you for your Wisconsin cheese tangent.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 01:53 PM
Dec 2021

I'm sorry I forgot to thank you in a previous post.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
199. I recently upgraded my network infrastructure at the house.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 02:03 PM
Dec 2021

We've got symmetrical gigabit fiber here and it makes such a difference. It's fantastic and I highly recommend it!

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
203. No, and I can't vote for anyone either outside California, even those that voted with Republicans,
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 02:19 PM
Dec 2021

I think there were only 6 of them, though.

I vote solidly with my party, and there are many more of my type.

Thanks again for your devotion.

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
205. Thanks for your devotion. I'm solidly with the majority of my party, so
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 02:27 PM
Dec 2021

it's going to be a lot of amusement for you, I'm sure of it.

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
208. Oh, yeah. Strong winners means no need for bitterness. That's for sure.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 02:34 PM
Dec 2021

Thanks for your devotion to bumping your subthread about me. It's good to see you acknowledging that Democrats need to win to stay strong.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
209. Absolutely. I'm glad we're on the same page about my devotion to my amusements.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 02:38 PM
Dec 2021

The good thing about "bumping a sub thread" is that it bumps the entire thread. The OP in this thread is about celebrating Bernie Sanders and I want to commend you for bumping it over, and over, and over again.

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
213. No, you made the subthread after responding to a post
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 02:53 PM
Dec 2021

about Bernie missing votes. Then I responded to you and you made this wonderful subthread about me. Thank you again!

I’ll be happy to bump this for you to comment about me again. Thank you.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
215. My post was about certain people displaying a pattern of attacking progressives leaders.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 03:04 PM
Dec 2021

For some reason you took that comment personally, replied to my post, and began this sub thread.

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
216. No, I was encouraging you to reveal yourself
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 03:18 PM
Dec 2021

and your motives more and thanked you for doing so.

I encourage you to continue.

My comment was about Bernie, not you. All your posts are about me and I thank you for your devotion!





 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
219. Encouraging me to reveal myself, oooh how mysterious that sounds!
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 03:46 PM
Dec 2021

Go get 'em, Detective.

It tickles me to no end that you act like you're solving some sort of mystery here. I've told you my motivation for engaging in this sub thread with you. I thought it would be amusing and challenging to get a Bernie basher to bump a thread celebrating Bernie's progressive leadership. I was right about the first part.

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
220. Thanks for this new tangent and confirming your
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 04:01 PM
Dec 2021

dedication to me.

But the thread topic remains:”Bernie, what are you doing here!?”

Then there was a simple comment about him missing votes. Maybe it’s easy to see how blowing simple comments out of proportion takes a lot of your time and emotion.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
222. Yes, the OP is quite clear.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 04:03 PM
Dec 2021

It's a celebration of Bernie Sanders' progressive leadership. Thanks for keeping it at the top, RB, and thank you for your dedication to my amusement!

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
223. Actually you've made this subthread about me personally, so
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 04:05 PM
Dec 2021

thanks for showing your emotional investment in me.

But the topic remains:”Bernie, what are you doing here!?l it’s a stretch to call that a celebration, but I understand what’s going on.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
224. Hmm.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 04:14 PM
Dec 2021

It's nothing personal. Any Bernie Basher would have done the trick. I would have preferred someone who didn't make it quite so easy but beggars can't be choosers.

What did you think I was doing when I talked about my love of hunting, fishing, deer chili, hot coffee, and upgrading my home's network infrastructure? Did you think that was about you, too?

I just wanted to see how hooked you really were by talking about absolutely random things that crossed my mind whenever I was replying just to see if you'd continue to bump the post. Initially I was dubious that you'd go along with it, but here we are!

You're a good friend to humor me, RB, and you're nothing if not reliable.

Thank you for being you!

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
228. Thanks again for revealing your obsessions, but this is
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 04:50 PM
Dec 2021

an epic subthread about me. I’m so glad it’s your focus.

You have your work cut out for you for sure! Good luck with your endeavors.

Edit: yes, I already acknowledged your deer chili tangents, but thanks for confirming.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
231. I got my new ratcheting screwdriver set in from Amazon today.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 05:02 PM
Dec 2021

It's really difficult to find something that is both affordable and reliable. I've been using a set from Ace for a lot of years but that set lives in my shop building and I've grown tired of making the trek out to fetch it whenever I have a small project to do inside.

This new set looks like it will do the trick as my dedicated inside set!

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
234. Your explanations of your motives are extraordinary.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 05:18 PM
Dec 2021

Thanks for the strategy insight. It sounds like it’s very important. Good luck with everything. 👍

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
235. Good luck to you too!
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 05:22 PM
Dec 2021

I am tickled that you consider my entertainment very important. I only consider it mildly important.

Thanks!

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
237. I'm not sure what strategies you're referring to. I'm talking about amusements.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 05:25 PM
Dec 2021

That said, you're welcome!

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
238. I'm so glad you've explained what motivates you .
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 05:27 PM
Dec 2021

It’s all been very predictable, though, but thank you.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
239. Oh, yes, I definitely explained my motivations.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 05:29 PM
Dec 2021

I didn't know that you were talking about motivations when you used the word strategies.

And yes, it's been very predictable. It's almost as if I predicted a pattern of behavior from the beginning.

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
240. Oh yes, and I noted how familiar the "patterns" are,
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 05:42 PM
Dec 2021

Thanks for your continued efforts to show your epic subthread about me.

Thanks for the insights!

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
241. Fantastic!
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 05:58 PM
Dec 2021

I held off on getting a Keurig for many years, preferring the traditional pot of coffee, but I purchased one somewhat recently and it is fantastic. I still brew a pot every morning in the kitchen but now I've got a Keurig machine in my office and it is just so convenient.

Right now I'm ordering a set of competition dies from Forster to reload for a new caliber. I've used a lot of different dies over the years and really like the Forster seating dies with the built in micrometer.

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
243. Thank you for this subthread and your continued devotion.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 06:59 PM
Dec 2021

And thanks for explaining your strategies, which are very important to you.

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
246. Thanks for your devotion and for promoting this subthread about me.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 07:04 PM
Dec 2021

It's taken a lot of your time and interest, so thanks for that.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
249. Seems like a fair trade!
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 07:15 PM
Dec 2021

I could never have predicted that you'd still be bumping a thread celebrating Bernie Sanders' fight for the people after all this time. Your commitment to me has exceeded my wildest expectations.

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
250. The thread topic: "Bernie, what are you doing here!?"
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 07:18 PM
Dec 2021

Then the subthread over a rather simple post about Bernie's whereabouts on voting.

And then....this epic subthread about me. Please keep it kicked.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
251. The sub thread is about you giving me what I want for almost 24 straight hours.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 07:24 PM
Dec 2021

In that sense, yes, it’s about you.

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
252. Thank you for this epic subthread which you've created for me.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 07:25 PM
Dec 2021

I appreciate that your comments are all about me, except for the deer chili, etc.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
253. Don't forget the coffee!
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 07:37 PM
Dec 2021

And networking equipment. And reloading equipment. And hunting. And fishing. And everything else that the sub thread is actually about.

I just installed a new set of Leadshine stepper motors for one of my CNC machines. They’re absolutely fantastic.

I remember one time I was talking to a co-worker who was convinced that other employees were laughing at her behind her back. She was convinced that she was the punchline of an inside joke. I’m not sure why that memory just came to me, but I thought I’d share.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
257. To the top!
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 07:46 PM
Dec 2021

Thanks, RB!

I’m glad you’ve constructed a narrative that brings you comfort. I’d hate for you to feel bad.

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
258. You've explained why your posts are about me and what your strategy is and
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 07:48 PM
Dec 2021

I completely support your efforts. Thanks for the devotion.

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
260. Actually, you've explained what your strategies are and you continue to explain yourself,
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 07:55 PM
Dec 2021

so it looks like you have the "role" business wrong, as well.

Thanks for your continued devotion.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
261. No, I explained your role.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 08:00 PM
Dec 2021

I told you early on exactly what I was doing and what I expected you to do as a result. I defined your role from the beginning.

You have either embraced the role I defined for you or you’re pretending to embrace it a some reason that I won’t even attempt to diagnose. The end result is the same.

You’ve been doing what I want for nearly 24 hours.

I should be thanking you for your devotion, buddy! You’re a good friend.

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
262. haha, you've been explaining yourself or talking about me.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 08:04 PM
Dec 2021

But thanks for the devotion and best of luck.

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
266. Thanks for talking about me.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 08:12 PM
Dec 2021

Thanks for spending almost a whole day explaining yourself to me and/ or talking about me.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
267. You've gotten several minutes worth of my time.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 08:25 PM
Dec 2021

Thanks for spending an equal amount of time on this thread, doing exactly what I told you I hoped you’d do.

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
268. You keep explaining yourself to me, so you didn't strategize this
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 08:39 PM
Dec 2021

as well as you think you did.

But thanks for talking about me so much. Keep it up

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
269. Sometimes it seems like you've forgotten your role.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 08:41 PM
Dec 2021

A reminder seems the least I can do. I like you, RB!

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
270. If you're explaining, you're losing.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 08:45 PM
Dec 2021

That’s an old saying btw, not me saying it. But the saying seems appropriate here.

And you keep explaining yourself to me, lol. Thanks for your devotion! 👍

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
271. I had to let you in on the joke. It was becoming unsportsmanlike.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 08:51 PM
Dec 2021

I tried to give you some hints early on in the exchange but you didn't pick up on them. I didn't want to feel like I was taking advantage of you, given your good natured participation, so I let you in on the joke.

Through a few simple posts I managed to hook a bonafide Bernie Basher into bumping a thread celebrating Bernie Sanders' progressive leadership, over and over and over again. Can you imagine my glee and amusement?


Nixie

(16,920 posts)
272. You keep explaining yourself, but it looks like you
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 08:55 PM
Dec 2021

didn’t strategize as well as you thought or give yourself credit for.

Thanks for your devotion, though.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
277. I have the most fantastic set of toenail clippers.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 09:13 PM
Dec 2021

These things are massive. The jaws open up to 5 millimeters! They’ll go through the most gnarly toenails like a hot knife through butter.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
280. My strategy is pretty good.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 09:20 PM
Dec 2021

I’ve got it all figured out. I take a file and wedge it just under the big toenail, then lever it up to give the clippers
proper clearance to do their work in one go.

It’s a winning strategy for sure!

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
283. I cleaned my smoker this weekend.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 09:26 PM
Dec 2021

It’s really quite important to give it a good scrubbing in certain places and leave a grease layer in others. I also cleaned out the drip pan and that was quite a chore.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
285. The smoker turned out pretty well.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 09:34 PM
Dec 2021

We are expecting snow soon, and always have a fair amount of wind, but I have the answer to both of those. I use a specially tailored cover that fits like a glove over the smoker. It’s made out of a material similar to welding blankets. The cover is designed to be used while the smoker is running. It helps insulate the smoker, serves as a wind break, and it keeps the rain and snow off of it.

Temperatures are much more stable when using it during inclement weather, resulting in a more predictable cooking time and a better end result.

I highly recommend one!

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
286. Thanks for the smoker and toenail tangent and
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 09:35 PM
Dec 2021

for kicking this subthread that you’ve created for me.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
288. Two Thanksgivings ago I smoked our turkey spatchcock style.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 09:48 PM
Dec 2021

If you're not familiar, that's when you split the turkey, break a few bones, and then splay it out before you cook it so that it cooks more evenly. It turned out really well, and the flavor was good, but it just wasn't the same as a traditionally cooked turkey.

They look like this:

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
290. I've got a good project for tomorrow afternoon.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 09:54 PM
Dec 2021

I'll be replacing the kitchen cabinet pull out trash and recycling bins with a new model that mounts to the cabinet base and uses hydraulics to enable the soft open / soft close feature. The old model just used standard drawer slides to open and close. It was fine at first but just wasn't rigid enough for constant heavy duty use. The new model is built like a tank.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
292. The Modlite OKW boasts 680 lumens and 69,000 candela.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:00 PM
Dec 2021

Most folks think that lumens are the important number when evaluating a flashlight or weapon light, but candela is far more important.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
295. For years I shied away from wireless desktop accessories but over the last year I've converted.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:05 PM
Dec 2021

I had been worried that the input latency with wireless keyboards, mice, and headsets were going to be disruptive and annoying. Recently the technology has evolved to the point that they're functionally indistinguishable from their wired counterparts (as long as you're buying quality equipment).

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
298. TEKMAT makes a fantastic mousepad.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:07 PM
Dec 2021

They call it a gun cleaning mat, but it's really just a giant mousepad, only it's built to be very heavy duty. They come with printed firearm schematics / diagrams and parts lists.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
302. Many dentists recommend using traditional floss instead of disposable floss / pick combinations.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:13 PM
Dec 2021

I suspect that they make the recommendation because patients are using the disposable flosser incorrectly.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
304. I've been looking for a Yeti mug that meets certain criteria:
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:15 PM
Dec 2021

1. Stainless steel finish (not colored)
2. Small enough diameter to fit in my truck's cupholders
3. 20oz+ capacity
4. With a handle

I don't think they make one!

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
306. Competitive shootists tend to be very particular about how they clean their firearms after matches.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:20 PM
Dec 2021

Everyone has their own tried and true formula and process; some take it to an almost superstitious level.

I've always preferred to use basic Break Free CLP and traditional cleaning rods with brushes, jags, and patches. I've picked up a few bore snakes and they're pretty good for cleaning between firings. I clean and oil every firearm I own every 6 months regardless of whether or not I've fired it since the previous cleaning.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
308. Scheels is my favorite sporting goods store.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:33 PM
Dec 2021

It's like a combination of Academy Sports and Bass Pro / Cabelas. It's really fantastic!

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
310. I've been gifted a set of molds that make decorative ice "cubes" in the shape of large round balls.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:40 PM
Dec 2021

They're fantastic for cocktails.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
312. I'm partial to a good straight whiskey myself but I keep the liquor cabinet stocked with a variety.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:43 PM
Dec 2021
 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
314. I was just having a discussion with a friend about sailing.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:46 PM
Dec 2021

He's never done any sailing but has always been interested and while I've sailed, my experience is rather limited. We're thinking of chartering a boat this summer!

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
315. You've been typing to me so you haven't been
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:48 PM
Dec 2021

“just” talking to a friend.

You’ve been full time typing.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
316. Anyone looking for an interesting series on YouTube should check out Sampson Boat Co.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:50 PM
Dec 2021

The series documents the restoration of a boat built in 1909 called Tally Ho. It's really a phenomenal series and I can't recommend it highly enough.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
318. The 2032 battery will always have a place in my stash of batteries.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:54 PM
Dec 2021

I've even got a few 1632s in there as well.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
320. I prefer my bathroom wastebaskets with lids.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:58 PM
Dec 2021

No one is interested in seeing a pile of yellow, dirtied Q-tips and yellow, crusty toenail clippings.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
322. I've grown partial to peep sights on my lever guns.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:04 PM
Dec 2021

Something just feels right about hunting with an old lever action using a peep sight. Skinner Sights have been my choice for over a decade.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
325. My eyes aren't what they were when I was a teenager but they're still pretty sharp.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:07 PM
Dec 2021

Skinner sights use interchangeable apertures that let you tailor the sight to your particular hunting situation and needs.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
327. I bought my first pair of Darn Tough socks exclusively for hunting...
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:11 PM
Dec 2021

but they've since replaced every pair of socks in my wardrobe. Highly recommended.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
330. Darn Tough socks are a fantastic wool blend that seem to last for ages.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:16 PM
Dec 2021

And when they wear out, after extensive use, the company replaces them free of charge. They've got a lifetime warranty.

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
218. Oh, and thanks for the reminder that my post said
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 03:20 PM
Dec 2021

missing votes doesn’t make someone a “progressive leader” to which you continue to have no response.

TexasTowelie

(111,292 posts)
131. I wonder if the doctor might have been wondering if Bernie was having another cardiac arrest
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 01:26 AM
Dec 2021

considering his recent medical history.

TexasTowelie

(111,292 posts)
181. Why the surprise?
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 12:43 PM
Dec 2021

It's public knowledge that Bernie had heart problems and obviously the doctor recognizes that Bernie isn't one of established patients. The situation isn't significantly different from when Bernie had a cardiac event and showed up at a clinic unannounced.

SMC22307

(8,088 posts)
263. I get that you're trying to portray...
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 08:07 PM
Dec 2021

Bernie as unhealthy and a heart attack waiting to happen, but I imagine the doctor was more surprised to see a Vermont senator casually pop into a Michigan clinic, especially since it's not campaign season. Looks like Bernie's healthy and still out working tirelessly for the working man and woman, unlike Maserati Manchin.

TexasTowelie

(111,292 posts)
273. If people believe that Bernie is unhealthy and a heart attack waiting to happen
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 08:59 PM
Dec 2021

then that is on Bernie. People will make that judgment based upon their own senses and observations.

SMC22307

(8,088 posts)
276. People will make that judgment based on sour grapes.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 09:08 PM
Dec 2021

Well, some people. To everyone else, they see Bernie working hard serving his constituents, promoting Democratic Party policies on news programs, supporting organized labor, etc. And not screwing over Biden.

SMC22307

(8,088 posts)
282. Post music videos all you want, Bernie didn't fuck over Biden.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 09:23 PM
Dec 2021

He didn't fuck over striking workers.

He didn't fuck over seniors needing prescription drug cost relief. Or *anyone* in need of prescription drug cost relief.

And on and on and on...

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
294. Oof.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:03 PM
Dec 2021

I felt that burn (or should I say bern? LOL) all the way over here. Bernie is, always has been, and always will be, a man of the people and a man for the people. He's the pinnacle of progressive leadership.

SMC22307

(8,088 posts)
336. Seriously, Maserati Manchin or Bernie Sanders...
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 09:52 PM
Dec 2021

who really cares about the "average" American? I wonder if Princess EpiPen, the one padded her resume with an unearned MBA, will run when Daddy retires. The whole clan seems rotten.

lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
229. Some of the pictures leave me scratching my head.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 04:50 PM
Dec 2021

Even though they were outdoors, it probably would have been more prudent to be masked, given the covid situation in MI.

And where did the guy in the snake jacket get the thematic picket sign, so perfectly on-brand for a photo op?

TexasTowelie

(111,292 posts)
339. Bernie Sanders had a heart attack, doctors say
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 10:17 PM
Dec 2021
https://www.heart.org/en/news/2019/10/05/bernie-sanders-had-a-heart-attack-doctors-say

I'm not going to quibble with anyone about the differences between a cardiac arrest and a heart attack. It is quite likely that the doctor was aware that Bernie had heart issues in 2019 which could have popped into his mind because of the unexpected visit.

Mariana

(14,849 posts)
340. A heart attack and a cardiac arrest are VERY different things.
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 11:00 PM
Dec 2021

It's not really a "quibble". But yes, it's entirely possible the doctor thought he might be there because he needed medical attention. If so, I'm sure the doctor was relieved and happy to learn that wasn't the case.

TexasTowelie

(111,292 posts)
341. So I messed up and typed cardiac arrest rather than heart attack. My bad.
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 11:10 PM
Dec 2021

I believe that the point I was making is clear that Bernie has had heart problems and it's public knowledge. Therefore, an initial response from the doctor that Bernie might need medical attention is plausible and where we agree could have occurred.

lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
191. "What are you doing here" is exactly what the doctor said. The location was Michigan,
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 01:44 PM
Dec 2021

and the Senate was in session in Washington, D.C.

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sl8

(13,584 posts)
194. Do you not see a difference?
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 01:50 PM
Dec 2021

"What are you doing here?", could mean "What are you doing in Michigan?" or it could mean "What brings you to our clinic today?."

If the quote was "What are you doing in Michigan", that would narrow things down a bit.

The two seem different to me.

On edit:

If somone showed up unexpectedly to my home or place of work and I asked them, "What are you doing here?", I'd be asking about them showing up at my home or place of work, not my state.

lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
198. Well then I'm glad I could clear that up for you. "Here" could mean Michigan, a city in Michigan ,
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 01:58 PM
Dec 2021

or a clinic in Michigan. It could mean any number of places where one would not expect to see a senator from Vermont on a day when the Senate is in session and voting.

sl8

(13,584 posts)
207. Yes, "here" could mean any of those things. But, you changed the "here" in the quote to "Michigan".
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 02:33 PM
Dec 2021

I was wondering why.

lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
212. I didn't change a quote. Nor did I even quote anyone. It would be simple to sort out any difficulty
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 02:47 PM
Dec 2021

with some research on the use of "here" as a pronoun and the distinction between a question and a quote.



nolabear

(41,915 posts)
42. Here's my problem.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 07:17 PM
Dec 2021

And I do appreciate much of what Bernie stands for. But am I missing something? He seems to be intentionally alone on his efforts, i.e. I don’t hear a lot of support for other Democrats or how they’re working together to pass legislation. I don’t hear him doing the kinds of things other congresspersons do when they address issues, for better or worse. He just seems to be off on his own as he is here.

This isn’t rote condemnation of him; it is an impression I’ve always had.

Donkees

(31,080 posts)
59. 'Sanders Leads Letter with Senators in Support of Striking Kellogg Workers'
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 08:51 PM
Dec 2021

Excerpt:

Sanders Leads Letter with Senators in Support of Striking Kellogg Workers
October 28, 2021

Sanders and his colleagues, Sens. Tammy Baldwin (D-Wis.), Cory Booker (D-N.J.), Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), Ed Markey (D-Mass.), and Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), urgently reminded Cahillane that this strike comes after Kellogg workers and their families have been on the frontlines of feeding families across the globe during this terrible pandemic, working longer hours for less benefits and in worse conditions, all while the company and its leadership raked in record corporate profits.

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/news-sanders-leads-letter-with-senators-in-support-of-striking-kellogg-workers/

JudyM

(29,122 posts)
92. Wasn't he taking the lead, as head of Budget Comm, to pass as much through the reconciliation
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 10:51 PM
Dec 2021

process as possible? From what I’ve read, he was central to that whole procedural effort all along, hand in hand with Biden and the rest of our Dem leadership on driving through that strategy. Here’s one of many articles from along the way that came up in a quick search… and he’s been traveling quite a bit working hard to sell it in different parts of the country, for all of us. https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/578399-sanders-faces-difficult-choice-on-slimmed-down-budget-bill

lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
143. According to your link, it's unlikely that Sanders is on a tour to advance the President's agenda..
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 09:23 AM
Dec 2021
“Everybody has been concerned about whether or not Manchin and Sinema would support this. The question now is whether Bernie Sanders will support it,” [Ross K. Baker, a professor of political science at Rutgers University, who has held several fellowships in the Senate] said.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/578399-sanders-faces-difficult-choice-on-slimmed-down-budget-bill?rl=1

JudyM

(29,122 posts)
197. Not sure what you're asking. Our party leadership switched gears from BBB to voting rights.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 01:57 PM
Dec 2021

With the announcement by Manchin, it’s clear why.

I was responding to nolabear’s comment, BTW, not to the main OP.

lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
201. President Biden gave the nod with his announcement on Thursday.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 02:14 PM
Dec 2021

At least one entire section of the bill is yet to be written, and there are several questions still in front of the parliamentarian. The bill can't be brought to the floor until its complete and the parliamentarian has weighed in. Anyone whose "homework" is overdue really should be getting to work, even if it is a holiday break.

Several senators signed on as co-sponsors to Senator Klobuchar's Freedom to Vote Act in early December (joining the original seven co-sponsors who were on board in September), so all the signs were there that the focus would shift. With one sponsor and forty-nine co-sponsors, the bill obviously has enough votes to pass.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/2747/cosponsors

JudyM

(29,122 posts)
210. Ok, I see what you are getting at but I personally don't see this as slacking off.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 02:42 PM
Dec 2021

Agree to disagree on how Sanders spends his time. We don’t know everything that’s happening behind the scenes but it has been appearing that he has been taking his cues from Joe and working in lockstep with him.

Clearly Manchin and Sinema are the problem with BBB’s delay, hardly Sanders.

lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
214. Agreeing to disagree the reasonable and collegial thing to do. The world would be a better place
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 02:53 PM
Dec 2021

if people did it more often. At the end of the ,we Democrats are all on the same side.

Response to lapucelle (Reply #201)

George II

(67,782 posts)
144. The's has nothing to do with that. He's in Michigan to visit ....
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 09:31 AM
Dec 2021

..union workers whose union settled with Kellogg's a day earlier.

I

mountain grammy

(26,568 posts)
105. It is often said Democrats are bad at messaging
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 11:45 PM
Dec 2021

Bernie Sanders supporting workers sends a big message! This is who we are. The party of the working class.

demmiblue

(36,744 posts)
142. Heh... I can only see one large horizontal exchange in this thread!
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 09:21 AM
Dec 2021

The negative nellie of said exchange recently posted this:

I'm less inclined to post about other unrelated topics that Democrats may want to discuss because the overall atmosphere on DU is becoming negative, undermining, and unproductive.




Unions are dwindling, they need our support more than ever!

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
151. Maybe you could post the context of your snipped quote.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:27 AM
Dec 2021

If you went to all the trouble of finding it and bringing your personal grudge (your description “negative Nellie” is what I’m referring to) to this thread, the context would be great to share, as well.

Maybe they are referring to something that you completely missed or distorted. It’s hard to tell from your snipped quote from another thread. Are you sick of the Manchin/Sinema bashing? Is that what this is about? Hard to tell without more context. Thank you.

Sympthsical

(8,935 posts)
297. I'm just here to see if it goes to 300
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:06 PM
Dec 2021

This is all a perfectly normal reaction to a senator who supports President Biden's agenda.

I just came off keto after 8 months and am now eating gummy worms. Happy happy. It means nothing. Just thought I'd mention it somewhere. It's about as equally productive as anything else above, lol.

demmiblue

(36,744 posts)
333. The responses must be interesting!
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 07:34 PM
Dec 2021

I can only see about 50.



I'm guessing or (or both). There is also the "under the bridge" option, as well. I guess I shall never know!

Sympthsical

(8,935 posts)
343. No part of any of this has been productive
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 11:27 PM
Dec 2021

But semester's over and I'm off work this week. So until I leave for Tahoe on Thursday, I'm sharing deeply personal updates about gummy worms and other culinary ventures.

It will be just as edifying.

Nixie

(16,920 posts)
344. True. There were a few interesting points, and then
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:09 AM
Dec 2021

a bunch of whining.

Have a great time in Tahoe. Are you used to driving in snow? Sounds like you vacation there regularly. We recently spent a weekend in Big Bear Lake and I wondered how everybody doesn’t slide down the mountain in the snow.

sl8

(13,584 posts)
171. The symmetry of the crossed legs in the 3rd picture reminds me of a fisherman's knot.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:42 AM
Dec 2021

Hope this isn't too controversial.

Caliman73

(11,693 posts)
334. That logo in the hoodie, fifth picture down is BADASS
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 07:40 PM
Dec 2021

"Will strike if provoked" INDEED.

We are on the verge of a strike here with SEIU. The t-shirt on the last picture is cool too. The U and I, definitely. We had 93% yes vote to strike if management did not offer a decent contract. They offered a pay cut.

Donkees

(31,080 posts)
335. There are several versions of those union 'strike' shirts online ...
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 08:30 PM
Dec 2021

Maybe Bernie will show up for the fight

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