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Tue Dec 21, 2021, 09:07 AM

Something I'm still coming to grips with

That 30 to 40 percent of the people in this country are loons.

No masks, no vaccines, etc., blindly following charlatans and grifters.

I saw it in my own family this year-my sister's children essentially convinced her that she didn't need a vaccine for covid, she eventually got the disease and died a few months ago, leaving me with a hole inside that will never close, partly because of the utter insanity that surrounded the situation, a death that did not have to happen.

And now we get blasted daily that Democrats will get beat in the next election. And to that I say BULLSHIT.

I'm voting. I'm telling everyone I know about the good that Democrats do.

I'll be damned if I let the loons win.

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Reply Something I'm still coming to grips with (Original post)
Just_Vote_Dem Dec 2021 OP
we can do it Dec 2021 #1
Just_Vote_Dem Dec 2021 #3
we can do it Dec 2021 #5
OldBaldy1701E Dec 2021 #9
PatSeg Dec 2021 #21
CaptainTruth Dec 2021 #22
PatSeg Dec 2021 #29
mrsadm Dec 2021 #45
NJCher Dec 2021 #46
PatSeg Dec 2021 #55
llmart Dec 2021 #50
PatSeg Dec 2021 #56
Scrivener7 Dec 2021 #2
Just_Vote_Dem Dec 2021 #4
mopinko Dec 2021 #6
gab13by13 Dec 2021 #11
Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2021 #14
uponit7771 Dec 2021 #17
Trueblue Texan Dec 2021 #7
viva la Dec 2021 #10
TexasBushwhacker Dec 2021 #37
lonely bird Dec 2021 #24
NJCher Dec 2021 #57
lonely bird Dec 2021 #58
Woodswalker Dec 2021 #8
we can do it Dec 2021 #35
raccoon Dec 2021 #49
gab13by13 Dec 2021 #12
Elessar Zappa Dec 2021 #16
NJCher Dec 2021 #47
Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2021 #13
Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #15
NonPC Dec 2021 #18
lonely bird Dec 2021 #26
gab13by13 Dec 2021 #28
moreland01 Dec 2021 #19
Cyrano Dec 2021 #20
Ohioboy Dec 2021 #23
lonely bird Dec 2021 #25
Hotler Dec 2021 #27
CaptainTruth Dec 2021 #32
calimary Dec 2021 #51
MontanaMama Dec 2021 #30
Texaswitchy Dec 2021 #31
CaptainTruth Dec 2021 #33
SYFROYH Dec 2021 #34
JudyM Dec 2021 #36
Pepsidog Dec 2021 #38
housecat Dec 2021 #39
housecat Dec 2021 #40
bucolic_frolic Dec 2021 #41
sop Dec 2021 #42
MFM008 Dec 2021 #43
Jakes Progress Dec 2021 #44
raccoon Dec 2021 #48
Cosmocat Dec 2021 #52
Vinca Dec 2021 #53
ecstatic Dec 2021 #54

Response to Just_Vote_Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 09:09 AM

1. This isn't new. I've thought it to be around 20-25 percent since the nineties, at least.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 09:33 AM

3. Yeah, I'm still kind of a naive person

Always wanted to believe that kind of behavior was limited to a scant few.

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Response to Just_Vote_Dem (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 09:34 AM

5. It's ok to be optimistic. Then reality smacks you in the face.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 09:58 AM

9. You just described why I am so cynical! Thank You!

I am going to have to remember that one!

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Response to Just_Vote_Dem (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 10:54 AM

21. I guess it seemed like a "scant few" for years

because they weren't as loud and in your face as they are now. I guess all the "crazy" was just waiting to be activated and Trump set them off.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #21)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 11:21 AM

22. Plus, with social media, every one of their voices can be heard.

I'm convinced that before social media there were a lot of loons who ranted to friends on their front porch, at the local bar, wherever they hang out, we just didn't hear them. Now it's easy for them to create online accounts & broadcast their lunacy to millions.

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Response to CaptainTruth (Reply #22)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 11:44 AM

29. Exactly

We've all known them and for the most part ignored them whenever we could. With social media, they were able to reach out and find like-minded people. Then Trump encouraged them to get out of their homes and off their barstools and take the nuttery out into the real world. Meanwhile, as they shared their crazy beliefs with others, the looniness just grew to unimaginable proportions. Their inherent gullibility made them more susceptible to even more bizarre conspiracy theories. A perfect storm of unbridled lunacy.

I guess these pathetic lost souls now feel like they've found their tribe and that after years of being rejected and laughed at, they've been vindicated.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #29)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 04:37 AM

45. I think your description is quite accurate

Very well put!

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #29)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 06:20 AM

46. This sums it up very accurately

Last edited Wed Dec 22, 2021, 01:09 PM - Edit history (1)

I would emphasize your sentence about their looniness growing to unimaginable proportions. They feed on each other. They make each other crazier.

A perfect example is this gathering where they are waiting for jfk jr to come back. Did you know they are still hanging out there?

Iím researching some material for a post on mass delusion. I will tell you right now it is quite interesting. Jung was on to it and so were the American Indians.

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Response to NJCher (Reply #46)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 11:32 AM

55. Yes, mass delusion is a very real thing

We've seen it throughout history and even today to a smaller degree in cults. It really is contagious to those who are vulnerable and there doesn't seem to be a limit as to how extreme it can get. I am very interested in what makes some people immune and others susceptible. I don't think it is always the weak-minded, but can be relatively normal people who are going through a rough period. In the process of seeking answers, they may connect with other people in similar situations and/or follow leaders who take advantage of them.

I look forward to your post. It is a fascinating, though disturbing subject.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #29)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 07:48 AM

50. Very succinctly put.

You have summed them up nicely. I'm still going to try to remember that people like us are still in the majority.

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Response to llmart (Reply #50)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 11:34 AM

56. Yes, that helps somewhat

Though of course, a minority can wield an awful lot of power.

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Response to Just_Vote_Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 09:09 AM

2. I'm so sorry. How awful. Especially because it didn't have to happen. My heart hurts for you.

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 09:33 AM

4. Thank you so much n/t

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Response to Just_Vote_Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 09:34 AM

6. me too. who knew reality was so malleable?

lately i think we are too complex a species to survive much longer.
it's getting to me, too.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 10:03 AM

11. Bruce Lipton wrote "The Biology of Belief,"

that created quite a stir among the Darwin crowd. Lipton proved in the lab that organisms survived not from being the strongest or fittest, but from cooperation. He took the nucleus out of an organism and placed heat in front of it, and it moved away. He discovered that the intelligence came from the outer shell. When danger approached organisms they banded together to survive.

Moral of the story; simple organisms have more intelligence than Magats.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #11)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 10:09 AM

14. Instinctive biochemical reactions are hardwired by evolution and are not intelligence

Nonetheless, your post is an interesting one. I guess you mean that the organism without the nucleus gets the heat and moves away ( "the outer shell" ).

Nature is replete with instincts that sacrifice a few in the herd/flock/pack/school(fish) to save the group.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #11)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 10:34 AM

17. +1

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Response to Just_Vote_Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 09:36 AM

7. I agree!

I do not follow the logic that the Democrats will get beat in the next election. There are a bunch of morons in this nation, as the Trump administration revealed. But there are more sensible people than morons and it is clear to see what brought us the straits we're in. To say that Democrats will lose the next election because they haven't cured all the nation's woes is to say we'd rather trust the thief who just robbed us at gunpoint than to put our money in the bank. Most people aren't stupid enough to trust the thieves again.

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 10:02 AM

10. For me the scary thing is Trump gained

10 million more voters in 2020. Those people are scary... saw 4 years of chaos and hate, and wanted 4 more.

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Response to viva la (Reply #10)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 01:33 PM

37. However, Biden got 15K more than Clinton

Last edited Tue Dec 21, 2021, 02:47 PM - Edit history (1)

Shirt of a catastrophically low voter turn out, one would expect numbers to go up over 4 years just because of an increase in population and the number of registered voters.

Regarding the percentage of vaccinated, it's up to 72%, so that's less than 28% who are maskless unvaxxed morons. If course, children under 2 can't get the vaccine, so you can knock another few million off for the little ones. Of course, this could be counting everyone who's gotten at least 1 shot, but hey, I'll take it. Russia is only 50% vaccinated.

My favorite tracker, designed by high school senior Avi Schiffmann.

Ncov2019.live/data

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 11:30 AM

24. Sadly, it appears Ohio ain't on the list

Between Josh Mandel and Bernie Moreno trying to out-Trump each other in the race to see who will run as a Republican for Portmanís senate seat to attorney general Yost claiming that the was government overreach in the pandemic response to Gym Jordan to a state so gerrymandered on the state and federal level it appears that Ohioís laboratory of democracy exploded and burned to the ground.

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Response to lonely bird (Reply #24)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 01:32 PM

57. If the dems get the election law

Through, would that solve the gerrymander issue?

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Response to NJCher (Reply #57)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 03:07 PM

58. One would hope that it would

Sadly, I am not holding my breath.

Republicans hate this country.

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Response to Just_Vote_Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 09:40 AM

8. Not sure it's as high as 40%

The problem lies with people who choose not to see, then vote in a way that empowers the small percentage of off the wall whackaloons

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Response to Woodswalker (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:28 PM

35. I'm with you, 20-25% optimistically.

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Response to Woodswalker (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 07:05 AM

49. "Whackaloons ". I like that word! Nt

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Response to Just_Vote_Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 10:06 AM

12. They are out there,

I used to think there were only 20% of them but now I believe there could be 40% of them. I believe this because many of my closest friends who I thought possessed critical thinking are full blown Magats.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 10:22 AM

16. I'd say 25-30% are full blown MAGAts.

The other ten percent are Republicans who voted Trump but may not love him. We have 70%+ with at least one shot so the large majority are following COVID guidelines.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #12)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 06:58 AM

47. That's where it gets really depressing

When you see it close up. You see how completely and totally they are committed to these crazy ideas.

Itís even worse when they are highly educated. All 3 of the cases I have are minimum masterís and one who has a Ph.D.

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Response to Just_Vote_Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 10:07 AM

13. That's the spirit, JVD! . . . . nt

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Response to Just_Vote_Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 10:15 AM

15. I know exactly what you mean about a hole that can't be filled.

Mine is blaming Trump for death. And seeing that the House Committee concluded that he purposely hid the deadliness from people, and the story not even reaching a " big story".

We know for sure 25% want to see trump run again. That makes my head explode.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #15)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 10:41 AM

18. Like Jeff Foxworthy Said...

You can't fix stupid.

Whenever I watch Jordan from The Daily Show interview MAGAs or anti-vaccers, it just amazes me how programmed these idiots are. And they are allowed to have children and checking accounts. Incredible.

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Response to NonPC (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 11:34 AM

26. Hell, one wonders how the can dress and feed themselves

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Response to lonely bird (Reply #26)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 11:43 AM

28. They follow dear leader

and eat at McDonald's.

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Response to Just_Vote_Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 10:43 AM

19. I prefer to consider this foolishness

A Self-rapture.

Lord? Why didn't you save me? God: I sent you a vaccine, you dumbf*ck!

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Response to Just_Vote_Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 10:53 AM

20. The loons won't "win" it. They're already stealing it.

Voter suppression, state legislatures overriding the will of the voters, the "cleaning" of voter registration lists, and so much more.

They may be loons, but they've declared war on the constitution, our freedoms and our country. It's time we understood this and start making all necessary preparations for next November. (Read whatever you want to into that last sentence.)

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Response to Just_Vote_Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 11:27 AM

23. Sorry to hear about the loss of your sister

When you describe her passing as a "death that did not have to happen" it makes it even worse.

It's so frustrating to see such a large percentage of the population not understanding the consequences of their lunacy, and their sheep- like following of the grifters and charlatans. Please, at least, find some comfort in knowing that you are not one of the sheep.

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Response to Just_Vote_Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 11:33 AM

25. 30-33% is about right

Over at Hypercrites.com Kuni started a thread titled iirc 32% of the population is bug-fuck, batshit crazy.

It varies by geography. YMMV.

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Response to Just_Vote_Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 11:36 AM

27. Would it be too harsh for them to frame or re-brand the repug party as the Fascist party and

start using the words fascism, and fascist to describe what they will bring to America? I think it needs to be said; Democrats = Democracy, Republicans = Fascism. Make them own it. Remember the end of the movie Inglorious Bastards?

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Response to Hotler (Reply #27)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:10 PM

32. I started calling the GOP a fascist party years ago, under Trump.

If you look at the famous Early Warning Signs of Fascism list, Trump, & the GOP under Trump, either checked off every item on the list or tried their hardest to check off every item on the list.

The GOP has embraced fascism. I'm convinced that's why they bring up socialism so often when they criticize Democrats, it's to distract from their own fascism. It's a technique they use all the time.

[link:?w=511&h=662|]

Also, I just bought the book "American Fascism - How the GOP is Subverting Democracy." I've just leafed through it, but it looks good.

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Response to CaptainTruth (Reply #32)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 09:35 AM

51. This is pretty scary, CaptainTruth.

SCARY.

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Response to Just_Vote_Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 11:54 AM

30. I'm very sorry for the loss of your sister.

Indeed a death that was unnecessary.

Iím with youÖIíll do everything I can to defeat the MAGAts and their ilk.

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Response to Just_Vote_Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:06 PM

31. I lost my sister to the far right.


We were never that close.

I do not know if she is alive or dead.

She went crazy when President Obama won.

Around the bend.


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Response to Just_Vote_Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:11 PM

33. I'm sorry for the loss of your sister. Such a needless death.

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Response to Just_Vote_Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:12 PM

34. The loon factor may be 45% and apparently motivated to vote.


This is why we need to turn out the non-loon side and try to sway that 5% who could go either way.



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Response to Just_Vote_Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 01:09 PM

36. Such a difficult loss, sorry for you to be going through that.

Weíve got to Be-vocal-and-vote.
And our leadership has to strengthen Dem messaging immediately.

Wishing you peace in your heart.

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Response to Just_Vote_Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 02:32 PM

38. USA has been exposed. Worst thing is that 30-40 percent represents many people otherwise

considered smart or successful. I know many Trumps who are very smart and successful in all areas of life except their politics. Itís truly a scary thing to behold. My 4th year medical school son is attending a funeral today of his friendís 52 year old anti-vaccine father.

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Response to Just_Vote_Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 02:39 PM

39. always has been that way, but now they have facebook and fox to amplify their stupidity and insanity

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Response to Just_Vote_Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 02:46 PM

40. When we lose a loved one to a cult, it can hurt more than from an illness

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Response to Just_Vote_Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 04:15 PM

41. We need to sell them products at exhorbitant prices

Figure that out and it would improve our chances

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Response to Just_Vote_Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 04:26 PM

42. Carl Jung believed Mass Psychosis was the greatest threat to humanity.

ďIndeed, it is becoming ever more obvious that it is not famine, not earthquakes, not microbes, not cancer but man himself who is manís greatest danger to man, for the simple reason that there is no adequate protection against psychic epidemics, which are infinitely more devastating than the worst of natural catastrophes.Ē

Carl Jung, The Symbolic Life

https://academyofideas.com/2021/02/mass-psychosis-greatest-threat-to-humanity/

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Response to Just_Vote_Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 04:37 PM

43. My sister

Didnt talk to me for weeks because i said Kyle Rittenhouse was a murderer. I thought she had covid or something. I didnt even remember the comment hardly.
Unbelievable my parents would cringe.

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Response to Just_Vote_Dem (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 05:04 PM

44. First Law of Human Stupidity

I find that this concept explains a lot. Cipolla wrote his treatise in the 1970's, but Dietrich Bonhoeffer contemplated the same ideas while in a Nazi prison.

[link:https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2016/09/the_basic_laws_of_human_stupidity.html|



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Response to Just_Vote_Dem (Original post)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 06:59 AM

48. I feel the same. I never knew before how many people are just stupid. Nt

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Response to Just_Vote_Dem (Original post)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 09:37 AM

52. Its worse than that

30% of this country thinks our 30% are "just as bad."

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Response to Just_Vote_Dem (Original post)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 09:44 AM

53. It really is shocking to realize what a large percentage of Americans are truly off their rockers.

I had no idea just how bad it was until Trump came along. You had the odd cult leader knock off his followers in the name of something or other every few years, but it's as if Trump opened a floodgate. The Q people really should be rounded up and taken to a nice hospital for deprogramming. When you drink industrial bleach cocktails while waiting for JFK to appear, that's off the normal cuckoo scale. The anti-vaxxers are a cult by themselves, even though they had different beginnings, most inspired by far right (vaccinated) hucksters turning a buck selling magic potions. I hate to say it, but at this point the rest of us won't be safe until the virus wipes them all out. In the meantime, we face the very real peril of a mutation caused by them killing us.

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Response to Just_Vote_Dem (Original post)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 09:55 AM

54. I don't get how people would even consider

voting for tfg and the party that dropped the ball and caused the pandemic in the first place. They removed all the protections in place to prevent pandemics and then did everything they could to undermine the scientists trying to fight it once it became a pandemic. They're STILL blocking progress on fighting covid. Thanks to them, we're about to enter the THIRD fucking year of this shit!

Sorry for your loss.

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