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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
Sun Jan 2, 2022, 11:40 AM Jan 2022

What percentage of Trump supporters would have sued for peace and joined the AXIS...?

What percentage of Trump supporters would have sued for peace and joined the AXIS prior to Pearl Harbor?


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90-100%
9 (75%)
80-89%
1 (8%)
70-79%
1 (8%)
60-69%
0 (0%)
50-59%
0 (0%)
40-49%
1 (8%)
30-39%
0 (0%)
20-29%
0 (0%)
10-19%
0 (0%)
0-9%
0 (0%)
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What percentage of Trump supporters would have sued for peace and joined the AXIS...? (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2022 OP
Prior to Pearl Harbor, when being a Nazi sympathizer was still cool. paleotn Jan 2022 #1
+1 DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2022 #2
The Nazi wing of the gop starts right there. Voltaire2 Jan 2022 #3
And in 1964 they took over the REpublican party, failing with Goldwater but did get Nixon in 1968, ShazamIam Jan 2022 #4
We don't know what Nixon would have done in the pre WW ll period DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2022 #5
His presidency was achieved and supported by the fascist leaning Nazi sympathizers who had taken ShazamIam Jan 2022 #8
He was an awful person, as I stated, and president but wasn't Hitler. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2022 #9
Oh, yes I see, disagreeing with a point I had not made. /lol ShazamIam Jan 2022 #10
You seem upset. I didn't mean to upset you. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2022 #11
Yes I love how witty jibes are the signature affectionate touch. ShazamIam Jan 2022 #13
Does that mean you're not upset? DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2022 #14
A fine ending I say hurrah! ShazamIam Jan 2022 #16
Have A Happy New Year. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2022 #21
Yup Johonny Jan 2022 #6
There'd be a few making a lot of money off the war, they'd want to keep it going captain queeg Jan 2022 #7
They solved that problem with the perpetual, Cold War along with Korea, Vietnam, and the oppression ShazamIam Jan 2022 #12
Republicans resisted taking on Hitler. Why this is seldom if ever brought up I'll never know. tenderfoot Jan 2022 #15
Why is the fact that large corporations like Ford and IBM did business with the NAZIS DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2022 #17
Or that the NY Times wrote puff pieces about Hitler until they couldn't? tenderfoot Jan 2022 #18
That I wasn't aware of. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2022 #19
You'll find this interesting... tenderfoot Jan 2022 #20
Back to Henry Ford. He was a virulent anti-semite. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2022 #22
Noting that significant numbers of liberals were still registered Hortensis Jan 2022 #23
And not JUST the Trumpkin wing... peppertree Jan 2022 #24
Yes, they're a type, not new then, not now. Our new problem Hortensis Jan 2022 #25
Well said. Fascism has common threads, pretty much wherever you look. peppertree Jan 2022 #27
Sure, but I think way too much is made of business backing as Hortensis Jan 2022 #28
I guessed 70-79% would support joining the Axis, but it might be 80-89%. Hortensis Jan 2022 #26

paleotn

(17,778 posts)
1. Prior to Pearl Harbor, when being a Nazi sympathizer was still cool.
Sun Jan 2, 2022, 11:57 AM
Jan 2022

like the German American Bund, America First movement and half in / half out of the closet Nazi, Charles Lindbergh. Magats would be all about it, with a list already drawn up of who they want to gas. They really are that f'ing bad. We dismiss, gloss over or forget that at our peril.



Voltaire2

(12,610 posts)
3. The Nazi wing of the gop starts right there.
Sun Jan 2, 2022, 12:46 PM
Jan 2022

It went underground during the war, but Joe McCarthy lead the way back into the mainstream of the party.

ShazamIam

(2,559 posts)
4. And in 1964 they took over the REpublican party, failing with Goldwater but did get Nixon in 1968,
Sun Jan 2, 2022, 12:55 PM
Jan 2022

after two assassinations and riots instigated by the police at the 1968 Democratic convention, stopping the Vietnam Peace talks and brining his own rioters to his "law and order," campaign speeches.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
5. We don't know what Nixon would have done in the pre WW ll period
Sun Jan 2, 2022, 01:13 PM
Jan 2022

While generally awful and indulgent of the prejudices of his time he wasn't a NAZI. He also served in the Navy.

ShazamIam

(2,559 posts)
8. His presidency was achieved and supported by the fascist leaning Nazi sympathizers who had taken
Sun Jan 2, 2022, 01:40 PM
Jan 2022

over the Republican political party and financed the Nixon dirty trick campaign. which you seem to be in denial about. Remember the secrete treason to stop the Peace talks. When WWI ended, Nixon was 5 years old. Do you think that because Nixon was in the Navy he didn't commit acts against the U.S. Laws and Constitution? I am just wondering what your point is?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
9. He was an awful person, as I stated, and president but wasn't Hitler.
Sun Jan 2, 2022, 01:47 PM
Jan 2022

By saying every awful person was/is Hitler /a NAZI we trivialize the horrors he/they committed.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
14. Does that mean you're not upset?
Sun Jan 2, 2022, 02:14 PM
Jan 2022

If you're not upset I'm relieved as our beloved community is still intact.

captain queeg

(10,035 posts)
7. There'd be a few making a lot of money off the war, they'd want to keep it going
Sun Jan 2, 2022, 01:32 PM
Jan 2022

Check books were wide open for military purchases.

ShazamIam

(2,559 posts)
12. They solved that problem with the perpetual, Cold War along with Korea, Vietnam, and the oppression
Sun Jan 2, 2022, 01:57 PM
Jan 2022

any emerging democracies in Central and South America, Africa, or anywhere else there was resistance to global capitalization.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
19. That I wasn't aware of.
Sun Jan 2, 2022, 02:23 PM
Jan 2022

I was aware of Ford and IBM operating in Germany well into the NAZI regime, right up and to until Germany declared war on us.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
22. Back to Henry Ford. He was a virulent anti-semite.
Sun Jan 2, 2022, 02:28 PM
Jan 2022

That being said his progeny did everything they could to separate themselves from that aspect of his life.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. Noting that significant numbers of liberals were still registered
Sun Jan 2, 2022, 02:30 PM
Jan 2022

Republican in those days, influencing the party's choices. Liberals are natural ANTI-fascists. (There is literally no such thing as liberal fascism. That lie's RW projection.)

The Republican Party of course changed dramatically once the liberals finished moving to the Democratic Party leaving and Southern conservatives became Southern Republicans.

Important to note for ID purposes, though -- and to avoid any confusion with the far more numerous LW liberals -- there can be LW fascism among the IL-liberal left, a smaller echo of the not-so-latent monster rising on the right.

Liberalism is the individual. Fascism is the state." Benito Mussolini

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
25. Yes, they're a type, not new then, not now. Our new problem
Sun Jan 2, 2022, 03:22 PM
Jan 2022

is that for the first time RW extremists and their other generally nasty sorts are effectively allied behind one party. Before, RW extremists were split between at least two parties, which mostly kept them checked, sometimes working together to do so.

Now, they've united in and taken over the Republican Party, or at least have the leadership representing their mega donors fighting for their political lives.

peppertree

(21,526 posts)
27. Well said. Fascism has common threads, pretty much wherever you look.
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 12:29 AM
Jan 2022

Not least - as Prescott Bush himself might admit - Big Business backing.

It was the essential factor in the successful rise of all fascist dictators: Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Marcos, Pinochet, Videla - you name it.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
28. Sure, but I think way too much is made of business backing as
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 09:11 AM
Jan 2022

intrinsic to fascism itself. Obtaining business support is a standard path to power for conservative leaders of all stripes, as is harnessing populist antagonisms among working classes for wannabe revolutionaries. Those fascist dictators used both to take over. But, under fascism power is controlled by the state.

Back then fascism's particular form of archconservative totalitarian government was a new phenomenon. It turned out to be as, or nearly as, incompatible with independent business power as the socialism that also threatened, and my guess is few if any of those who bought in then understood either the deal or the devil.

Haven't read any polls, but I'm pretty sure a lot more of today's hard-core conservative businessmen would choose a nice kleptocracy or at least plutocracy, i.e., great independence from government control, over a fascist straitjacket in a totalitarian police state.

After all, how many really give a damn about what workers think as long as they work, much less care to pay the enormous costs of producing and maintaining a thought controlled populace? How beneficial to their bottom lines would the typical fascist persecution of targeted groups be? Not to say a few creeps wouldn't be in for all the bad things, of course, but...

Liberalism is the individual. Fascism is the state. ~ Mussolini

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
26. I guessed 70-79% would support joining the Axis, but it might be 80-89%.
Sun Jan 2, 2022, 03:35 PM
Jan 2022

After all, we're talking about TODAY's conservatives, not the 1940s'. They would support whatever tRump decided, just as Hitler's followers did. Same kind of people, both true-believer trumpists and most of the deplore-and-support trumpists.

My guess is that, before or after Pearl Harbor, the biggest difference would be in details of the lies tRump was telling them. In both cases it's easy to guess that they had to join the Axis to stop the Democrats, who'd sold out America to the Russians, or Chinese if Stalin and Hitler were making kissy noises at the time.

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