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What percentage of Trump supporters would have sued for peace and joined the AXIS prior to Pearl Harbor?
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90-100% | |
9 (75%) |
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80-89% | |
1 (8%) |
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70-79% | |
1 (8%) |
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60-69% | |
0 (0%) |
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50-59% | |
0 (0%) |
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40-49% | |
1 (8%) |
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30-39% | |
0 (0%) |
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20-29% | |
0 (0%) |
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10-19% | |
0 (0%) |
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0-9% | |
0 (0%) |
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paleotn
(17,778 posts)like the German American Bund, America First movement and half in / half out of the closet Nazi, Charles Lindbergh. Magats would be all about it, with a list already drawn up of who they want to gas. They really are that f'ing bad. We dismiss, gloss over or forget that at our peril.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)Voltaire2
(12,610 posts)It went underground during the war, but Joe McCarthy lead the way back into the mainstream of the party.
ShazamIam
(2,559 posts)after two assassinations and riots instigated by the police at the 1968 Democratic convention, stopping the Vietnam Peace talks and brining his own rioters to his "law and order," campaign speeches.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)While generally awful and indulgent of the prejudices of his time he wasn't a NAZI. He also served in the Navy.
ShazamIam
(2,559 posts)over the Republican political party and financed the Nixon dirty trick campaign. which you seem to be in denial about. Remember the secrete treason to stop the Peace talks. When WWI ended, Nixon was 5 years old. Do you think that because Nixon was in the Navy he didn't commit acts against the U.S. Laws and Constitution? I am just wondering what your point is?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)By saying every awful person was/is Hitler /a NAZI we trivialize the horrors he/they committed.
ShazamIam
(2,559 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)We're a beloved community here.
ShazamIam
(2,559 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)If you're not upset I'm relieved as our beloved community is still intact.
ShazamIam
(2,559 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)The exchanged ended better than it began. That's always progress
captain queeg
(10,035 posts)Check books were wide open for military purchases.
ShazamIam
(2,559 posts)any emerging democracies in Central and South America, Africa, or anywhere else there was resistance to global capitalization.
tenderfoot
(8,424 posts)eom
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)never brought up?
tenderfoot
(8,424 posts)eom
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)I was aware of Ford and IBM operating in Germany well into the NAZI regime, right up and to until Germany declared war on us.
tenderfoot
(8,424 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)That being said his progeny did everything they could to separate themselves from that aspect of his life.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Republican in those days, influencing the party's choices. Liberals are natural ANTI-fascists. (There is literally no such thing as liberal fascism. That lie's RW projection.)
The Republican Party of course changed dramatically once the liberals finished moving to the Democratic Party leaving and Southern conservatives became Southern Republicans.
Important to note for ID purposes, though -- and to avoid any confusion with the far more numerous LW liberals -- there can be LW fascism among the IL-liberal left, a smaller echo of the not-so-latent monster rising on the right.
peppertree
(21,526 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)is that for the first time RW extremists and their other generally nasty sorts are effectively allied behind one party. Before, RW extremists were split between at least two parties, which mostly kept them checked, sometimes working together to do so.
Now, they've united in and taken over the Republican Party, or at least have the leadership representing their mega donors fighting for their political lives.
peppertree
(21,526 posts)Not least - as Prescott Bush himself might admit - Big Business backing.
It was the essential factor in the successful rise of all fascist dictators: Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Marcos, Pinochet, Videla - you name it.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)intrinsic to fascism itself. Obtaining business support is a standard path to power for conservative leaders of all stripes, as is harnessing populist antagonisms among working classes for wannabe revolutionaries. Those fascist dictators used both to take over. But, under fascism power is controlled by the state.
Back then fascism's particular form of archconservative totalitarian government was a new phenomenon. It turned out to be as, or nearly as, incompatible with independent business power as the socialism that also threatened, and my guess is few if any of those who bought in then understood either the deal or the devil.
Haven't read any polls, but I'm pretty sure a lot more of today's hard-core conservative businessmen would choose a nice kleptocracy or at least plutocracy, i.e., great independence from government control, over a fascist straitjacket in a totalitarian police state.
After all, how many really give a damn about what workers think as long as they work, much less care to pay the enormous costs of producing and maintaining a thought controlled populace? How beneficial to their bottom lines would the typical fascist persecution of targeted groups be? Not to say a few creeps wouldn't be in for all the bad things, of course, but...
Liberalism is the individual. Fascism is the state. ~ Mussolini
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)After all, we're talking about TODAY's conservatives, not the 1940s'. They would support whatever tRump decided, just as Hitler's followers did. Same kind of people, both true-believer trumpists and most of the deplore-and-support trumpists.
My guess is that, before or after Pearl Harbor, the biggest difference would be in details of the lies tRump was telling them. In both cases it's easy to guess that they had to join the Axis to stop the Democrats, who'd sold out America to the Russians, or Chinese if Stalin and Hitler were making kissy noises at the time.