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sinkingfeeling

(51,438 posts)
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 11:37 AM Jan 2022

Trump offers unusual endorsement of Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban ahead of parliamentary ele

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-offers-unusual-endorsement-of-hungarian-prime-minister-viktor-orban-ahead-of-parliamentary-elections/2022/01/03/23db1000-6c9b-11ec-b9fc-b394d592a7a6_story.html

Former president Donald Trump made an unusual endorsement in a foreign election on Monday, offering his “Complete support” for Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban, a right-wing populist leader accused of undermining the country’s democracy and moving toward autocracy during more than a decade in power.

“Viktor Orbán of Hungary truly loves his Country and wants safety for his people,” Trump said in a statement. “He has done a powerful and wonderful job in protecting Hungary, stopping illegal immigration, creating jobs, trade, and should be allowed to continue to do so in the upcoming Election. He is a strong leader and respected by all. He has my Complete support and Endorsement for reelection as Prime Minister!”

Nevertheless, Orban has become a darling of some on the right wing in the United States. Fox News host Tucker Carlson has praised Orban’s immigration policies, among others, and former Trump White House aide Stephen K. Bannon, has called him “the most significant guy on the scene right now.”

Since losing the presidency, Trump has remained active in politics in part by offering frequent endorsements of like-minded GOP candidates in races around the United States.

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Trump offers unusual endorsement of Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban ahead of parliamentary ele (Original Post) sinkingfeeling Jan 2022 OP
Hey, Donwald: STFU, Won't You? MineralMan Jan 2022 #1
You too? PatSeg Jan 2022 #6
Former Presidents should keep their strange thoughts to themselves. MineralMan Jan 2022 #10
And until Trump, PatSeg Jan 2022 #14
Exactly. MineralMan Jan 2022 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author MineralMan Jan 2022 #16
Still the useful idiot for Putin. nt OAITW r.2.0 Jan 2022 #2
Indeed! nt Wounded Bear Jan 2022 #3
"Nevertheless"? bluedigger Jan 2022 #4
I caught that too and thought WTF! LastDemocratInSC Jan 2022 #8
Thank you. I thought it was just me. niyad Jan 2022 #11
They're constantly screaming about freedom.Yet they are in love with dictators Walleye Jan 2022 #5
+1 Cracklin Charlie Jan 2022 #7
Not all that ... sarchasm Jan 2022 #9
So Viktor Orban is the next anti-Christ? Midnight Writer Jan 2022 #12
The f'n, murdering, orange TRAITOR** believes that the voters in Hungary actually niyad Jan 2022 #13
He thinks he's still in charge of something. spanone Jan 2022 #17
Is that the nation that will let them if they escape the U.S., isn't CPAC scheduled for there ShazamIam Jan 2022 #18
So desperately trying to be relevant C_U_L8R Jan 2022 #19
He loves him some fascism Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2022 #20
WaPo, define "unusual" vis a vis Drumpf! UTUSN Jan 2022 #21
Go LIVE in Hungary Jilly_in_VA Jan 2022 #22

PatSeg

(47,261 posts)
6. You too?
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 11:52 AM
Jan 2022

You beat me to it. My initial reaction was, "Oh just shut up already Donald. No one cares." He just has to keep talking evidently to prove he is still relevant.

Brings to mind John Goodman to Steve Buscemi in The Big Lebowski, "Shut the fuck up, Donny." Trump needs his own Walter Sobchak.

PatSeg

(47,261 posts)
14. And until Trump,
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 12:20 PM
Jan 2022

that is what former presidents did. They knew to step aside gracefully, write their memoirs, and engage in good works.

Response to PatSeg (Reply #14)

sarchasm

(1,012 posts)
9. Not all that ...
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 11:59 AM
Jan 2022
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/03/world/europe/viktor-orban-hungary-economy-election.html

An Economic Miracle in Hungary, or Just a Mirage?

By Patrick Kingsley and Benjamin Novak - April 3, 2018

SIKLOSNAGYFALU, Hungary — In seeking re-election, Hungary’s far-right prime minister, Viktor Orban, claims to have conjured an economic miracle since taking office eight years ago. One village shows he is right — and wrong.

After winning power in 2010, Mr. Orban implemented a vast workfare program in which menial tasks have been given to hundreds of thousands of jobseekers — including 73 of the 472 residents of Siklosnagyfalu, a village near the southern border.

As a result, there are roughly half as many jobseekers in the village as there were before Mr. Orban took office. (Over the same period, the national unemployment rate has fallen to 3.8 percent from 11.4 percent.)

But the woolly nature of the jobs program in Siklosnagyfalu and hundreds of similar towns has left critics asking whether all is really as it seems — and whether workfare participants are really working.

In the summer, program participants in Siklosnagyfalu are kept busy, said Gyongyi Orgyan, who takes part in a farming project.

But in winter, “there really isn’t that much work,” said Ms. Orgyan, 56. “There are days when we don’t do anything.”

Mr. Orban has relentlessly transformed Hungary’s political system and remade the country's institutions and society — efforts that have been roundly condemned by democracy advocates. But the prime minister’s allies say that Hungarians really care about his successful stewardship of the economy and that “Orbanomics” will most likely decide the election on Sunday.

“People feel that they have a much better life in terms of the economy,” said Istvan Lovas, a radio host and one of Mr. Orban’s most prominent supporters. “Whatever figures you look at, they are clearly improving.”

In many cases, that is true. Government debt, as a proportion of Hungary’s gross domestic product, has fallen more than 6 percentage points since 2010. The country’s credit ratings have improved. The budget deficit has roughly halved. Growth has almost quadrupled. Wages have risen by more than 10 percent. Though still high, deprivation has fallen by nearly half — not least in places like Siklosnagyfalu, where villagers benefit from their workfare wages. Officially, unemployment has dropped by nearly two-thirds.

“Hungary has been on the right track,” Mihaly Varga, the economy minister, said in an email that cited most of these positive developments. “Now everyone who is capable of work and wants to work can find a job.”

But critics argue that things are not as rosy as the traditional macroeconomic measures suggest.

Since Mr. Orban came to power, Hungary has slipped to 29th place from 20th on the Euro Health Consumer Index, a comparison of European health systems. Student performance in reading, math and science has worsened, according to the Program for International Student Assessment, which compares global education systems.

And as other Central European countries have become less corrupt, Hungary has become significantly more so, according to the World Bank’s Worldwide Governance Indicators. During Mr. Orban’s first six years in power, five of his closest friends were awarded roughly 5 percent of public procurement contracts, a total of $2.5 billion, according to an analysis by the Corruption Research Center Budapest.

Mr. Orban’s successes have also partly been the result of factors beyond his control.

Under Mr. Orban, gross domestic product has been unusually dependent on money from the European Union. Between 2009 and 2016, such funding constituted nearly 4 percent of Hungarian G.D.P. per year, one of the highest ratios in the bloc, European officials have calculated.

Europe also functions as a pressure valve for the Hungarian labor market. The government says 730,000 new jobs have been created since 2010 — but that includes as many as 350,000 Hungarians who have found work elsewhere in the European Union, said Janos Kollo, research director of the Institute of Economics at the Hungarian Academy of Sciences.

Mr. Orban has also benefited from the global economic revival.

“The Hungarian government was like any other government,” said Istvan Madar, a senior analyst at Portfolio, a Hungarian financial journal. “They had some special methods, some unorthodox measures, but the overall Hungarian government economic performance was no better than any other regional government.”

Some of those measures raised eyebrows. Until Mr. Orban and his far-right party, Fidesz, came to power, Hungarians could hold 25 percent of their retirement savings in a private fund; the rest went into a public pot. To cut state debt, the government announced that Hungarians who did not transfer private pension assets into the public system would not receive a state pension. By the time the order was ruled unconstitutional, most people had already complied.

“It was a completely unlawful blackmailing of the population,” said Balazs Romhanyi, an economic analyst who at the time was chief of staff at the Hungarian Budget Council, a state body that monitors state expenditure.

(Mr. Varga, the economy minister, justified the decision by arguing that the private pensions were “too costly,” and that the new system had been more “stable and predictable.”)

The highlight of Mr. Orban’s apparent economic success — the fall in unemployment — also fades under scrutiny.

In 2017, more than 200,000 Hungarians — nearly 4 percent of the country’s work force — participated in the government’s workfare program, and were therefore counted as employed.

But labor economists questioned their inclusion, since many were doing work that did not really need to be done. In Siklosnagyfalu, for example, 25 workfare participants are allocated to work all year on five hectares, or about 12 acres, of public farmland — work that requires neither that many people, nor such a permanent assignment.

“In really small settlements, there are no real jobs,” said Gyorgy Molnar, a specialist in workfare at the Institute for Economics at the Hungarian Academy of Science. “The majority of people are working for one or two hours and then going home.”

He estimated that the real unemployment rate in 2017 was 7.3 percent — lower than when Mr. Orban entered office, but far higher than the official rate of 4.2 percent.

The program also makes participants more dependent on both on their local mayor, who decides work assignments, and on Fidesz, the party that expanded workfare.

In the last general election in 2014, Fidesz received 116 votes in Siklosnagyfalu and the runner-up nine. That result is likely to be repeated on Sunday, said the village’s independent mayor, Jozsef Kosztics, who said he had talked with villagers about how they planned to vote.

Though the workfare program may skew national employment figures and exacerbate feudal dynamics in the countryside, it has nevertheless improved lives in Siklosnagyfalu.

Participants are paid approximately $175 a month — less than half the minimum wage, but roughly double what was paid out in unemployment benefits. Four Siklosnagyfalu residents said they could now afford to pay for heating in the winter and to buy meat more regularly.

“This little bit of money goes a long way in this village,” said Eva Petrovics, 60, who helps to clean the village nursery school. “The fridge is full now.”

The program has also helped to spruce up the village. Since 2012, workfare participants have built a small bridge, added a drainage system, and renovated the town hall and sports fields. The terms of the program have also allowed Mr. Kosztics to buy farming machinery for the village, including a new tractor and plow.

“You can say a lot of things about the workfare program, but one thing is certain,” Mr. Kosztics said. “For municipalities like this one, it means survival.”

Correction: April 5, 2018
An earlier version of this article referred incorrectly to the number of Hungarians who have found work in the European Union. It is as many as 350,000, not roughly 350,000.

niyad

(113,057 posts)
13. The f'n, murdering, orange TRAITOR** believes that the voters in Hungary actually
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 12:19 PM
Jan 2022

care about his opinion??

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