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Ohio Joe

(21,656 posts)
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 04:29 PM Jan 2022

Exclusive: Secret Commandos with Shoot-to-Kill Authority Were at the Capitol

On Sunday, January 3, the heads of a half-dozen elite government special operations teams met in Quantico, Virginia, to go over potential threats, contingencies, and plans for the upcoming Joint Session of Congress. The meeting, and the subsequent deployment of these shadowy commandos on January 6, has never before been revealed.

--snip to the end of the article--

The presence of these extraordinary forces under the control of the Attorney General—and mostly operating under contingency plans that Congress and the U.S. Capitol Police were not privy to—added an additional layer of highly armed responders. The role that the military played in this highly classified operation is still unknown, though FBI sources tell Newsweek that military operators seconded to the FBI, and those on alert as part of the National Mission Force, were present in the metropolitan area. The lingering question is: What was it that the Justice Department saw that provoked it to see January 6 as an extraordinary event, something that the other agencies evidently missed.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/exclusive-secret-commandos-with-shoot-to-kill-authority-were-at-the-capitol/ar-AASnoz4?ocid=msedgntp

So yeah.. What made Barr have these people there is a good question. Another good question is why were they not deployed to help?

The information keeps dripping out and not one bit of it has looked even remotely good for that fuckin guy.

Edit - As everyone is correcting me... Barr was gone (but still a shitbag) so the questions remain, just substitute Rosen.

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Exclusive: Secret Commandos with Shoot-to-Kill Authority Were at the Capitol (Original Post) Ohio Joe Jan 2022 OP
I think Barr had already left leftieNanner Jan 2022 #1
Barr had resigned by then. He wanted no part of Jan 6. Were they there to protect? What did they do? Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2022 #2
Barr resigned effective Dec 23rd. So this decision most likely came from Jeffrey Rosen. hlthe2b Jan 2022 #3
Barr was out the door at that point TheRealNorth Jan 2022 #4
wasn't Barr gone by then? Grasswire2 Jan 2022 #5
Did they know about those representative's office's alarms being disabled? Hmmm FreepFryer Jan 2022 #6
Barr left, this is probably why. onecaliberal Jan 2022 #7
Yep, Barr probably knew. And this just shows others... brush Jan 2022 #40
It does arouse suspicion. Was he anxious to "get outta Dodge" calimary Jan 2022 #68
Something smells rotten in Denmark, gab13by13 Jan 2022 #8
Barr resigned on 12-23-2020. 56miSSie Jan 2022 #9
I didn't see any evidence of them on 1/6. Where were they? Scrivener7 Jan 2022 #10
From the article... Nevilledog Jan 2022 #13
Right. But the article also says Scrivener7 Jan 2022 #15
Yeah, I see no support for them being amongst the dirty hoard at the Capitol pre-breach. Nevilledog Jan 2022 #18
I think the part about the plan being pre-approved by TFG answers the question about why Scrivener7 Jan 2022 #20
Yeah, weird... Ohio Joe Jan 2022 #17
I saw a line of people Marthe48 Jan 2022 #14
Oathkeepers. They've been identified & charged. Nevilledog Jan 2022 #19
I feel better knowing Marthe48 Jan 2022 #46
I saw the same people (with face shields down) Runningdawg Jan 2022 #22
Someone stole Pelosi's laptop. Gore1FL Jan 2022 #30
Might be they are playing close to the vest Marthe48 Jan 2022 #48
The story, to me, Mr.Bill Jan 2022 #11
Terrifying, but true. Scrivener7 Jan 2022 #12
Especially since Pence would not leave with them... Ohio Joe Jan 2022 #21
Pence would not leave the capitol building.... reACTIONary Jan 2022 #49
my thought as well musette_sf Jan 2022 #24
Meh. Orrex Jan 2022 #16
always have had llashram Jan 2022 #23
Exactly Orrex Jan 2022 #25
This below, I think slightlv Jan 2022 #26
Holy Bat Shit Joinfortmill Jan 2022 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #28
No one wants to hear about warnings of dire end game for America. Budi Jan 2022 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #36
Media will never fill that role. They had one threat to destroy & that was HRC. Budi Jan 2022 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #42
K & R Budi Jan 2022 #51
Right On, Chin ! nt Progressive Jones Jan 2022 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #56
They weren't deployed because they aren't well suited for riot control. bluedigger Jan 2022 #29
They were probably hoping to spill some antifa blood tishaLA Jan 2022 #31
My thoughts as well. Artistree22 Jan 2022 #58
Commandos ordered by TFG. Does anyone have ANY doubt they would use Shoot-to-Kill... FailureToCommunicate Jan 2022 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #43
It's past time for evil erik to be brought to justice. nt Artistree22 Jan 2022 #61
Welcome to DU. FailureToCommunicate Jan 2022 #67
Because he Rebl2 Jan 2022 #34
Ewwwwww!!!!!! Just Ewwwwww! Ford_Prefect Jan 2022 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #45
Hey CM, I can't wait for Jan. 5th, gab13by13 Jan 2022 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #62
They were there to shoot the leftist counter protestors once the riot got underway SCantiGOP Jan 2022 #37
It seems that the Dems probably knew what was going to happen fwvinson Jan 2022 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #47
Seriously, what the hell were they planning to do that day? Initech Jan 2022 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #50
It still makes me sick ...... Artistree22 Jan 2022 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #64
Why were they not deployed? If we had been there in all our multi-ethnic loud non-violent wrath... Hekate Jan 2022 #39
After reading the article, it seems ... reACTIONary Jan 2022 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #57
There were no cops being held hostage... reACTIONary Jan 2022 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #65
Pure speculation: They were there to shoot and kill "antifa" Stinky The Clown Jan 2022 #53
Antifa went off-script. Kid Berwyn Jan 2022 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #54
Who were the blurred faces? Artistree22 Jan 2022 #66
All law enforcement has legal "shoot to kill" authority any time they are on duty. former9thward Jan 2022 #69
Newsweek? Xoan Jan 2022 #71

leftieNanner

(14,998 posts)
1. I think Barr had already left
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 04:31 PM
Jan 2022

That means Rosen was the acting AG. Right?

Damn! But some people need to be held accountable for this crap.

brush

(53,475 posts)
40. Yep, Barr probably knew. And this just shows others...
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 06:34 PM
Jan 2022

knew something big was coming and had these people in place to take over for the admin/DOJ if the coup was successful.

calimary

(80,699 posts)
68. It does arouse suspicion. Was he anxious to "get outta Dodge"
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 10:10 PM
Jan 2022

before risking being caught in the proverbial “crossfire”?

I’m already pre-disposed to expecting the worst.

gab13by13

(20,867 posts)
8. Something smells rotten in Denmark,
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 04:39 PM
Jan 2022

were these "commandos" FBI? Was Director Wray involved?

Speaking of Christopher Wray, does anyone else here have questions about him? What has he been doing lately?

Scrivener7

(50,774 posts)
10. I didn't see any evidence of them on 1/6. Where were they?
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 04:43 PM
Jan 2022

Was the invasion of the Capital by people threatening to murder our legislators not "high-risk" enough for them?

Nevilledog

(50,687 posts)
13. From the article...
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 04:48 PM
Jan 2022

*snip*

On the morning of January 6, most of these forces staged closer to downtown Washington, particularly after intelligence was received indicating a possible threat to FBI headquarters building or the FBI's Washington Field Office. FBI tactical teams arrived on Capitol Hill early in the day to assist in the collection of evidence at sites—including the Republican and Democrat party national headquarters—where explosive devices were found. FBI SWAT teams and snipers were deployed to secure nearby congressional office buildings. Other FBI agents provided selective security around the U.S. Capitol and protection to congressional members and staff.

A tactical team of the Hostage Rescue Team was one of the first external federal agencies to actually enter the Capitol after protestors breached the building. In addition to augmentation of emergency security assets, one team coordinated with the U.S. Capitol Police and Secret Service to provide additional safeguarding of Vice President Pence, who had been moved to the underground parking structure beneath the Capitol, from where he was supposed to evacuate. But Pence refused to leave the building and stayed underground instead.

*snip*


Scrivener7

(50,774 posts)
15. Right. But the article also says
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 04:58 PM
Jan 2022
All of these assets were "pre-deployed" and ready to go over the weekend of January 2-3, staging out of the FBI Academy complex in Quantico, 30 miles south of the Capitol building. If a WMD or terrorist attack occurred, the units were to move via helicopter to the site of the incident. The activation of the catastrophic response units, operating under plans already approved by President Trump, entailed an automatic green light allowing federal responders to take the initiative and spare no resources, including shoot-to-kill authority, to deal with this most extraordinary condition.


It was a terrorist attack, but the plan "already approved by President Trump" (God help us!) did not, apparently, get most of the units moved "via helicopter to the site of the incident." There were no federal responders in evidence taking any initiatives and sparing no resources dealing with that crowd.

The paragraphs you have cited seem to describe a small number of people being deployed directly at the Capital.

Nevilledog

(50,687 posts)
18. Yeah, I see no support for them being amongst the dirty hoard at the Capitol pre-breach.
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 05:01 PM
Jan 2022

Certainly haven't seen any identifiable presence as support for the Capitol & DC police outside or inside the Capitol.

Scrivener7

(50,774 posts)
20. I think the part about the plan being pre-approved by TFG answers the question about why
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 05:03 PM
Jan 2022

we don't see that.

Ohio Joe

(21,656 posts)
17. Yeah, weird...
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 05:01 PM
Jan 2022

Seems that one team went in but not to help the capitol police... And Pence did not want to go with them. The whole thing just raises a lot of questions.

Marthe48

(16,692 posts)
14. I saw a line of people
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 04:57 PM
Jan 2022

Dressed in dark clothing snake through the mob, up steps and then divide on a covered portico, part to go to the left and part to go right. The crowd parted to let them go through and didn't attack them.
I saw this on an early video recap of the attack, but haven't heard an explanation.
The people in black looked organized and competent.

Runningdawg

(4,496 posts)
22. I saw the same people (with face shields down)
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 05:13 PM
Jan 2022

going through desks and filing cabinets, stuffing electronics and files into duffle bags. That was live streamed by someone on Reddit. I have yet to hear of a single electronic device reported missing or a device or classified files having been found on any of the few so far arrested. TPTB are too embarrassed to mention it.

Marthe48

(16,692 posts)
48. Might be they are playing close to the vest
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 06:51 PM
Jan 2022

keeping the specifics of theft under wraps till the perps get ready go to trial. I think the guy that stole Speaker Pelosi's laptop got caught.

reACTIONary

(5,749 posts)
49. Pence would not leave the capitol building....
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 06:54 PM
Jan 2022

... because he knew that would be a sign of weakness. He was resolved to start the vote certification again after the capital was cleared, and adamant about not leaving.

Orrex

(63,086 posts)
16. Meh.
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 05:00 PM
Jan 2022

For all practical purposes, any cop in the country has "shoot to kill authority" if they catch a black man doing anything at all, legal or otherwise.

The only stipulation is that the cop in question has to make sure that their body cam "is malfunctioning" and then poof! Authority granted!

llashram

(6,265 posts)
23. always have had
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 05:17 PM
Jan 2022

that type of authority...1619-present. Even Rittenhouse a 17-year-old can kill indiscriminately and be a hero...of the RW and sad to say 'others' elsewhere in that crowd that want to overthrow democracy. I just know we must be on the right side this Civil War II.

slightlv

(2,637 posts)
26. This below, I think
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 05:25 PM
Jan 2022
The activation of the catastrophic response units, operating under plans already approved by President Trump, entailed an automatic green light allowing federal responders to take the initiative and spare no resources, including shoot-to-kill authority, to deal with this most extraordinary condition.


Refers to when Trump was absolutely sure BLM was going to attack the White House/Congress/etc. He didn't want a repeat of him being seen going to the "safe room." And I seem to remember him (or someone) putting out the word that BLM and ANTIFA would be mixed in with the "Patriots" at the Capitol Bldg. (?)

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Budi

(15,325 posts)
32. No one wants to hear about warnings of dire end game for America.
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 05:57 PM
Jan 2022

We had all the warnings we needed once, MSM & social media silenced such talk, they drove the name & reputation of the one who warned, into the dirt, for speaking at all.

The next president was aready chosen by forces greater in power & darkness than the American people.

No one wants to act on the warnings. And they're perfectly fine with not.

Response to Budi (Reply #32)

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
41. Media will never fill that role. They had one threat to destroy & that was HRC.
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 06:35 PM
Jan 2022

What emerged was a slow dragging down of our laws, Constitution, a mockery of our Democratic process.
It was entirely designed as such.

Without HRC we saw a merging of every fringe extreme grouping of wannabe actors playing role they knew nothing about.

Media gave them presence & a welcome mat as tho they had a clue what they were talking about, if not for the puppeteers writing their memorized scripts & posing a perfected & practiced camera shot.

With their roots in Russia, they all came at this country with a promise & a plea of 'send money'.

As it's turned out years later, the Left & the Right Tea Party are actually the ones who were "Both The Same".
"Burn it all down" they both demanded.

And they have run oppo parallel to each other for the sole intent of destroying our US Govt from within.

Yes, they BOTH are rooted in the will of Russia to accomplish this goal.

Hillary Clinton was really the last defense we had against this slow dragging down & peeling the skin off our sacred American history.

They were always, "Both The Same".

Need receipts? I have them.
Thank you


Response to Budi (Reply #41)

Response to Progressive Jones (Reply #55)

bluedigger

(17,077 posts)
29. They weren't deployed because they aren't well suited for riot control.
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 05:46 PM
Jan 2022

Their solutions to problems generally result in violent actions. There would have been a lot more casualties if they took the field.

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
31. They were probably hoping to spill some antifa blood
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 05:50 PM
Jan 2022

and then they get to use the Insurrection Act and demand that congressional business is stopped etc etc etc

Artistree22

(40 posts)
58. My thoughts as well.
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 07:42 PM
Jan 2022

I think that they were expecting a larger counter protest group to be there. I think a lot of those who brought make shift weapons were going to use them on the counter protesters but when they weren't there, used them against the front line officers instead. It seem like a lot of the grunts seemed genuinely surprised that they got inside. (They were really full of themselves inside-based on the videos)
But some had a mission........

love n peace

FailureToCommunicate

(13,989 posts)
33. Commandos ordered by TFG. Does anyone have ANY doubt they would use Shoot-to-Kill...
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 06:03 PM
Jan 2022

authority if the Capitol storming mob were BLM and/of antifa protesters?

Response to FailureToCommunicate (Reply #33)

Rebl2

(13,311 posts)
34. Because he
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 06:05 PM
Jan 2022

possibly knew what was going to happen but didn’t agree with what was being planned? Maybe why he quit before Christmas 2020?

Ford_Prefect

(7,828 posts)
35. Ewwwwww!!!!!! Just Ewwwwww!
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 06:10 PM
Jan 2022

The more I know the creepier it gets and the layers of Trump corruption implied keep growing deeper. Not Barr (he'd left by then). Not Rosen(he wasn't inside the magic circle). Not Wray (I hope not). Maybe Clark or more likely one of those at DOJ or elsewhere who put his name in play. It seems to me others yet un-named did know and did act to move the coup forwards and this plan was set in motion as part of the drill.

I am moved to ask the question others have suggested already as to just how many levels of Trumpian corruption are installed at DOJ, FBI and other agencies including DOD? I also wonder how many of those are yet waiting for the next phase of the coup, either to enact it or protect it?

Response to Ford_Prefect (Reply #35)

gab13by13

(20,867 posts)
59. Hey CM, I can't wait for Jan. 5th,
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 07:42 PM
Jan 2022

that will be 3 weeks since the select committee sent Meadow's criminal referral over to Garland, that's how long Garland took to indict Bannon. Just licking my chops to hear about the Meadow's indictment this Wednesday.

Oh and Bannon must not have learned his lesson, it seems he is on his pod cast every day working hard to remove honest election officials and replace them with Magats. Bannon is working hard on the next coup seeing as his trial isn't until the end of July, plus appeals and sentencing if he loses, maybe he can stretch it out until Trump wins again and he can get a 2nd pardon?

Response to gab13by13 (Reply #59)

SCantiGOP

(13,856 posts)
37. They were there to shoot the leftist counter protestors once the riot got underway
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 06:17 PM
Jan 2022

That way the attention of the news media would have been on that, and not on the actions of Trump's militia.
And, that could have been what Trump wanted in order to declare a State of Insurrection, and God knows what would have transpired after that.
Thank goodness our side was smart enough to stay away that day.

 

fwvinson

(488 posts)
44. It seems that the Dems probably knew what was going to happen
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 06:45 PM
Jan 2022

and made sure we were no where near this

Response to fwvinson (Reply #44)

Response to Initech (Reply #38)

Artistree22

(40 posts)
63. It still makes me sick ......
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 07:57 PM
Jan 2022

..... that the ones inside were not rounded up and arrested when back -up finally came. They just cleared everyone out. They just cleared them our????
They couldn't risk exposing the ones that were there on a mission.

Love n peace

Response to Artistree22 (Reply #63)

Hekate

(90,202 posts)
39. Why were they not deployed? If we had been there in all our multi-ethnic loud non-violent wrath...
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 06:25 PM
Jan 2022

…they would have shot us. They planned for our side to be there.

Remember the young hotheads here who kept chomping at the bit to go to DC and “show them”? Remember all of us old people, veterans of many a protest in our lives, who said this was NOT the place any person with sense would be?

Da-yum. Trump and the MAGAs had broadcast their intentions for anyone with an internet connection to see.

Thank God Dems/progressives/lefties/antifa decided to stay away on that day.


reACTIONary

(5,749 posts)
52. After reading the article, it seems ...
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 07:05 PM
Jan 2022

... that this activation was a reasonable and prudent step to take in the case of the most extreme contingencies were to materialize.

The contingency units meeting on January 3 included the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team, the FBI's national "Render Safe" team, an FBI SWAT team from the Baltimore Field Office, Special Response Teams from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), and the U.S. Marshals Service Special Operations Group.


What is wrong with having a hostage rescue team at the ready? And why would it be deployed if there weren't any hostages to rescue?

Response to reACTIONary (Reply #52)

reACTIONary

(5,749 posts)
60. There were no cops being held hostage...
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 07:43 PM
Jan 2022

... and the teams that were assembled were there for the purpose of using extreme tactics in extreme circumstances, such as Pence or Pelosi being held hostage.

Rosen wasn't a bad guy. He defied and faced down tfg and lead a group of DOJ officials who all threatened to resign if tfg ousted him.

Response to reACTIONary (Reply #60)

Stinky The Clown

(67,697 posts)
53. Pure speculation: They were there to shoot and kill "antifa"
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 07:06 PM
Jan 2022

SO SO SO glad our side never showed up to give these criminals the opportunity.

Response to Ohio Joe (Original post)

Artistree22

(40 posts)
66. Who were the blurred faces?
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 08:08 PM
Jan 2022

Do you guys remember watching different footage of the attack and seeing blurred out faces? I haven't understood why some faces were blurred when they were trying to identify people.

I still don't understand why there weren't mass arrests of anyone who was still inside when back up finally arrived.

The media never seemed to ask those questions either.

I feel someone was being given cover. I feel that either those blurred faces were maybe some undercover officers or more likely some of evil erik prince's mercenaries. I just feel that little erik had a hand in this somehow. Just a thought.

love n peace

former9thward

(31,805 posts)
69. All law enforcement has legal "shoot to kill" authority any time they are on duty.
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 10:37 PM
Jan 2022

That is generally why they are held to a higher standard. No one is given "shoot to wound" authority.

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