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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt has been said that the least-asked question is "And then, what?"
In 2016, many of us clearly understood the "then what" if Trump somehow wound up in the White House, but some apparently never asked the question. We need to ask it for them now; we need to ask THEM.
"If Trump's party wins the midterms and seizes control of Congress, THEN WHAT?"
Just a few answers:
---the Select Committee is dissolved and a new investigation is launched to determine how many Democrats should be expelled from Congress for their "treason" in daring to suggest Trump incited an insurrection. Most will be referred for criminal prosecution because "deep state".
---President Biden will be impeached.
---Vice President Harris will be impeached.
---"wasteful" federal spending for vaccines, masks, PPE, crisis medical teams, etc. will be ended.
---"acting uppity" will be a defense for any attack on or slaying of a person of color.
---abortion will be prohibited---no exceptions---and birth control strictly controlled and extremely expensive.
---criticizing or demeaning any government official will constitute "state slander" punishable by forfeiture of all assets and loss of citizenship.
In short, the US Constitution will be rolled up and hung next to every public toilet in the nation.
That's part of the answer we must be ready to supply when we ask that "And then, what?" question and see the blank stares.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,430 posts)The GOP has changed into a FASCIST party. It's not hyperbole. It's not a joke. Their drive to restrict voting is PROOF. That's fascism at work. No one need go further with debating or discussing the GOP's transformation.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)question, but none of them are less than terrible.
Also agree about the fascism. Two years ago using that term for the Trump regime as pooh-poohed as "over the top". It was justified then and is even more apparent now.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)We had better wake the hell up.
jmbar2
(4,874 posts)I'd like to see someone like Michael Bennett or Jamie Raskin have this debate with Steve Bannon, or one of the other "brains" behind the current antidemocracy movement.
Someone who keeps their cool, but is able to expose the weaknesses, and dire consequences of allowing democracy to get subverted by authoritarians.
I'm thinking of the debates with James Baldwin a long time ago. We need someone of his moral clarity and persuasiveness to have this debate.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,008 posts)I'll grant the impeachments and the dissolution of the select committee.
The rest? Biden's going to sign those? We're going to lose enough seats for overrides?
No,
What will happen if we lose Congress is nothing will be done for two years, and we'll need to fight like hell to win in 2024. But the rest is all just wishful alarmism.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)AZSkiffyGeek
(11,008 posts)Atticus
(15,124 posts)lame54
(35,285 posts)mwooldri
(10,303 posts)Any new laws needs President Biden to approve. So abortion etc - status quo would prevail.
If the so-called Republicans prevail in the midterms then yes, I expect the Jan 6th Committee to be dissolved if the Republicans win the House. I expect the judiciary to be stacked with whack job judges should the so-called Republicans win the Senate.
A Biden/Harris impeachment is possible if the so-called Republicans win a large majority in the House, as there are enough sensible Republicans left in the House to nix this should the Repub margin be razor thin. Conviction won't happen, Republicans won't get a 2/3rds majority in the Senate for a purely political impeachment, which would be the case here as I do not expect President Biden (or VP Harris) to do anything that would warrant impeachment.
Certain spending would be curtailed I'm sure. I believe the president would have to approve a budget passed by Congress. Or shut the government down. Or shuffle money around, as TFG did with his "wall".
Criticism of Congressional members - hmm... Drag those people into committees for a public grilling.
Now 2024 is dangerous. A Repub. Executive and a Repub. Congress can do all kinds of damage, including and up to suspending the Constitution. Should that happen then the USA as we know it is over.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)and given what GOP state legislatures have done and are doing, would there be any doubt there would be a Republican president "elected" in '24?
Even if election reform was passed before 2022, when they regained power, they would merely repeal it and a ton of other things done by the Dems and Biden..........
Silent3
(15,204 posts)Not that many Republicans wouldn't love to limit the free speech of liberals (especially the thin-skinned Trump), but it would likely take a while.
Look at Putin's Russia for an example. A certain degree of protest and government opposition has been tolerated for the past twenty years of so, with, oh, only the occasional Putin opponent suddenly becoming very ill, or accidentally falling out of a window. It's gotten worse the longer he's been in power, but it's a process that has played out time.
Putin has really ratcheted up his crack down lately, but that means he semi-tolerated Navalny and his Russia of the Future party, and groups like International Memorial, for a fairly long time, so long as he figured they were mostly just making noise, and not a direct threat.
Expect that if Democracy falls that we'll still be able to vent our frustrations in public and online for a while, and only those who stand out the most and have a following will have to worry about themselves and their families at first.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Atticus
(15,124 posts)but much of it is in the "likely" category.
Katinfl
(156 posts)On 1/6/21, they very well could have succeeded in overthrowing the election. We all need to keep this in mind for the mid-terms and 2024. If the GOP takes control of the House, all bets are off. Scare the hell out of me.
Skittles
(153,150 posts)just curious
Atticus
(15,124 posts)something.
"Aggravated mopery with intent to gawk!"