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We've all heard you Republicans talk about seceding from the US (aka the blue states) and - as is always the case with Republicans - it's obvious you haven't thought this through.
After it's been established which states will be designated as MAGAland (you can always change the name later), those wanting to be citizens thereof will have to relocate - at your own expense, because the GOP politicians you'll be taking with you (sorry, non-negotiable) don't believe in citizens getting "free stuff".
That also means that all US-gov't programs - from social security to food stamps - will no longer be available to those who have chosen not to be US citizens. But you can always rely on your GOP leaders to raise taxes on the corporations in MAGAland to fund similar programs - in the same way they did back in the Good Ol' USA, when they handed out tax-breaks to the corporations that funded their elections.
On the plus side, you'll be free to run your own school boards, and I'm sure your kids will be adequately educated using the books you've chosen not to burn. You can also ban all restrictions on guns - which means you'll have a lot less students to educate anyway.
There are some institutions you'll have to establish right away - like functioning hospitals. Assuming you'll be doing away with masks and vaccines in MAGAland, you're going to need a lot of medical personnel to deal with all of those people dying of a hoax.
You'll also be running your own elections - which will never actually result in anyone assuming office, because the 'election fraud' lawsuits, audits, and re-audits will be ongoing long past your lifetime.
And speaking of lawsuits, have you thought about the caliber of judges and lawyers who will be rushing to settle in MAGAland? Do you really want Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani on your Supreme Court - because it's gonna be slim pickin's among those with suspended licenses and the disbarred.
But think of the personal freedoms MAGAland will offer! The freedom to die of a botched illegal abortion, the freedom to worship as you choose (as long as your choice is worshiping Trump), the freedom to believe in Jewish Laser Beams from Space, the freedom to eat potentially fatal uninspected food, the freedom to vote at the one-voting-ballot-box-per-million-people voting station, and the freedom to declare 'facts' unConstitutional.
It all sounds so idyllic, doesn't it? It almost makes me want to support your idea of leaving the USA. The progress we could make without your participation (i.e. interference) is an incredible enticement.
However, the fact is that if you really want to secede from our United States, you'll have to come up with the money to buy land elsewhere - because the ground you're standing on is ours, and always will be.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Yup, the majority of MAGAland lives by "drawing a check." (Redneck speak for suckling at the teat of the "gubmint.)
Is irony dead yet?
Dan
(3,551 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)brush
(53,771 posts)Pack plenty of long johns.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)It would be interesting to see how many US citizens would be more than happy to fund the deportation of the MAGATs to parts unknown.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)I was in a DMV office pre-pandemic. Young MAGAt next to me struck up a conversation about "how great Russia is because they don't have to pay no damned taxes."
This kid (~20ish) was so skinny, I could only assume he was loaded with parasites from walking around this parasite-infested hellhole without shoes.
So I told him, "well I'm not sure if Russians have to pay taxes. If they don't it could be because they have no money & the govt owns everything. Hard to tell because their govt lies about everything constantly to try to appear as great as the United States & other Western countries.
"But one thing is certain: they have severe food shortages in Russia." Visible anxiety, likely his parasites squirming af the thought of starvation.
"Would you like to stand in line for hours with the hope of being able to buy a very overpriced loaf of bread? No meat - just bread - if you are lucky."
His discomfort increased noticably.
"But if you really think folks in Russia have a much better life than Americans, I'd like to help you out by offering a one-way ticket to you as soon as we each finish our business here."
He replied, visibly squirming, "No ma'am, but tyvm."
Of course I had no intention of buying him a ticket. Just wanted him to think about his ridiculous statement.
SheilaAnn
(9,694 posts)Response to NanceGreggs (Original post)
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Roy Rolling
(6,915 posts)The idyllic past of polio and hiding under school desks in case of nuclear attack.
Those are the days awaiting you in MAGAland.
Roisin Ni Fiachra
(2,574 posts)after the fascists go to their self-created hell on earth.
Imagine a country where Brawndo swilling, Trump worshiping, Fox News parroting, lying sack of shit authoritarian conservative hypocritial idiocrats have no power whatsoever to obstruct human, social, scientific, environmental, and political evolution.
My Field of Dreams. If you build it, I will come.
Martin Eden
(12,864 posts)Unfortunately, it's on the same physical plane as ours where borders don't mean much in terms of global warming and environmental toxins.
As tempting as it sounds to have them migrate to the new nation state of Dumbfuckistan, our own best chance of survival is to hold our enemies close and win the political battles at hand.
scarletlib
(3,411 posts)You articulate my thoughts so much better than I can. Clearly most of these so called secessionists havent thought through what that really means.
If they think they would continue to receive Medicare and Social Security at any level approaching their current level of benefits they are crazy.
Girard442
(6,070 posts)...with nothing but a bunch of pudgy cosplayers with tricked out squirrel rifles.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)onlyadream
(2,166 posts)Not good for people of color, though. But it would be interesting to know how it would have turned out.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,593 posts)But your last sentence!
However, the fact is that if you really want to secede from our United States, you'll have to come up with the money to buy land elsewhere - because the ground you're standing on is ours, and always will be.
It was undeniably the BEST part!
LiberatedUSA
(1,666 posts)Why dont we wait and see who is threatening to secede after the elections this November.
Escurumbele
(3,389 posts)And I know you left out so much more about the lack of thinking of the MAGAts stupidity.
It is always a pleasure to read anything you write, I look forward to reading your book...there is one cooking, right?
jaxexpat
(6,820 posts)I have done a modest amount of travel within these "kinda united states" and I have yet to see a single square foot I'd be willing to give up for these guys. However, if it comes down to it, there's about 15 acres in Fairview, Kentucky I wouldn't mind seeing repurposed.
It's the site of the Jefferson Davis "historic" monument.
If they'll just stand up straight and stay still, I calculate you can get almost half a million of those treasonous bastards on the property. There, they could proudly bear their arms and take their stand, forever as far as I care. The Trumps could hole up in the top of the monument where they would spit down onto all their followers, fulfilling their dreams in actual fact instead of mere intent. It would serve so many purposes, really, I mean, the monument would finally perform an actual service.
3Hotdogs
(12,374 posts)Some parts of Magaland will have lots of voting stations. Other parts will have none.
3Hotdogs
(12,374 posts)There are enough yahoo states that they could propose an article to the Constitution that would allow for secession. It is possible there are also enough states to ratify such an article.
Not one shot would have to be fired.
paleotn
(17,911 posts)If enough of them decided to leave, would we bother to stop them? Negotiate a separation and be done with it. We can rejoin later when the current ruling class of nutters and their supporters die off. I'd give it 20 years for their populace to come to their senses.
3Hotdogs
(12,374 posts)But the Constitution can be changed by adding articles or amendment.
paleotn
(17,911 posts)Are we going to go all 1861 on them? I think not.
ProfessorGAC
(65,005 posts)I can think of at least 13 states where ratification wouldn't happen.
So, they could try but I don't think success is realistic.
3Hotdogs
(12,374 posts)Last edited Sun Jan 9, 2022, 03:14 PM - Edit history (1)
8 on the east coast, 3 on the west coast and two or three in the middle.
ProfessorGAC
(65,005 posts)Which is what i said!
Did you count New Mexico or Colorado? I'm in Illinois. That's one in the middle.
But, you're 8, plus 3, plus 2 or 3 is 13 or 14.
We're actually agreeing.
paleotn
(17,911 posts)No more than they are for Vlad Putin. Most of the people of MAGAland won't care. Elections, voting, thinking about policy...that's all just too hard. Better to let their dear leaders take care of that for them, tell them what's right and wrong and what god thinks, while they shout...we're #1...ad nauseam. Sure, there will be political opposition to the ruling class, but that's easily managed. Just trump up charges (pun intended) and throw them in jail. If someone gets too far out of line, polonium tea is always a possibility. Since they're finally their own sovereign country, they can write their own legal system where rule of law is whatever the hell the ruling theocratic junta says it is.
At the same time, we'll be debating endlessly on whether to sanction them economically due to the latest human rights atrocities.
marie999
(3,334 posts)Many of the non-MAGAs will be poor. We will end up worse off as a country especially if we have a fascist state along our border.
sop
(10,166 posts)Maybe Trump could buy Greenland for his MAGA malcontents?
secondwind
(16,903 posts)The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)You will need to provide for your own defense. We will be closing all bases in the states you choose to move to. You will be given none of our military equipment. If any of our military suppliers deal with you they will be taken off our supplier list. Just pull yourselves up by your boot straps. Good by and good luck ya pukes.
Have fun with that low tax thing.
I think we should copy Sherman and burn all federal investments in the new repuke states.
On the up side you won't need any silly meat inspectors or FAA or FDA. You can inspect you own shit. Plus you will be able to build statues celebrating your party on 1/6.
Democracy means when you lose you sit down and shut up.
Mr.Bill
(24,282 posts)and the Russians left eastern Europe, I read that in the government buildings and military bases that they left behind they poured concrete down the drains.
ProfessorGAC
(65,005 posts)...couldn't afford to move materiel on Hungary's timeline, they filled tanks with concrete and left them behind.
They're in what is now a park, and the tanks are there, painted in bright colors. They put padding on the surfaces & the kids play on them. I think there were about 30 of them.
Last time I was there was 2009 or 2010, but they were there in '97 & '04, too.
Things must weigh 80 tons, full of concrete. They might never move them.
multigraincracker
(32,674 posts)Low, low taxes, no government interference. No welfare, just the survival of the fittest.
The Libertarian Dream....Somalia. Bon voyage ya'll.
samplegirl
(11,476 posts)think.
Midnight Writer
(21,751 posts)Friendly guy, very personable. And, you guessed it, he started talking about Alabama seceding and becoming its own country.
"We've got everything we need right here. We don't need anything from the other states. We'd do better on our own."
I reckon he lives in a very insular world.
haele
(12,649 posts)And jobs are just there for the taking.
They don't seem to understand how much of their sources of survival requires a world outside their local and state bubbles.
Haele
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... about a year ago, someone ranting about how farmers are wasting land by growing corn, green beans, tomatoes, etc. - when everybody knows you can just go to a grocery store and buy those things.
dalton99a
(81,455 posts)Faux pas
(14,668 posts)Hekate
(90,656 posts)the near future of our national
existence, I predict that the dividing
line will not be Mason and Dixon's
but between patriotism and
intelligence on the one side, and
superstition, ambition and
ignorance on the other."
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- Ulysses S. Grant, 1875