Manchin Pulls $1.8 Trillion Offer

[applegrove]

Manchin Pulls $1.8 Trillion Offer

January 8, 2022 at 3:19 pm EST By Taegan Goddard 89 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2022/01/08/white-house-rejected-manchins-1-8-trillion-offer/

"SNIP........

“The week before Christmas, Sen. Joe Manchin sent the White House a $1.8 trillion counteroffer to President Biden’s Build Back Better agenda that included substantial funds for climate, health-care and education initiatives,” the Washington Post reports.

“About four weeks later, the West Virginia Democrat has made clear that he does not currently support advancing even that offer following a breakdown in negotiations between Manchin and the White House right before Christmas.”

“Senior Democrats say they do not believe Manchin would support his offer even if the White House tried adopting it in full — at least not at the moment — following the fallout in mid-December.”

........SNIP"

[Progressive Jones]

1. No bad words about a WV Senator...No bad words about a WV Senator... nt

[Emile]

2. So this must be his spin to his voters.

[LakeArenal]

3. Republicans are such spiteful babies... Oh wait... Ooops.

[BeckyDem]

4. People understand what that means, he doesn't support his own offer.

Because he ever supported it? I mean come on.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

18. The article is a rehash. Nothing has changed from before...negotiations will resume.

Stay calm, carry on.

[BeckyDem]

32. Still calm, are ya?

Link to tweet

[Alexander Of Assyria]

33. Any news on a carveout for voting rights versus wholesale rule change ending entire filibuster?

There’s the rub.

[andym]

5. Bad blood? Did something go very wrong in the negotiations?

That's certainly what it sounds like. Wonder what happened.

[Rebl2]

7. No

He never supported his own offer to begin with

[femmedem]

15. He is punishing the whole country because he is mad that the WH mentioned him by name

in a December statement about why Build Back Better wasn't going to be passed in 2021. He had asked the WH in advance not to mention him, and when they did he said it endangered his family.

Although he had come back to the negotiating table shortly after saying he was a no vote, I've been worried about all the people who have been trying to persuade him in private conversations, then going on news shows talking about how they've been talking with him. As much as he craved attention when he was the person giving the interviews, he seems to dislike it enough to skewer the Democratic agenda if the news is filled with other people being interviewed about him.

The fact that he's rejecting a framework he had originally agreed to tells me that this is petty and ego-driven, not based on his own inscrutable principles.

[iemanja]

17. Yeah, because no one would have ever known Manchin was involved

in negotiations if not for that press release. How absurd.

[Nictuku]

6. If only 1 Republican had the balls to switch parties!!!

[Salviati]

14. Every single republican is worse than Manchin.

Don't forget that. Don't mistake the people who the most rabid republicans are frustrated with as somehow "good" people.

[Pantagruel]

8. Memo to Manchin

Worth remembering, the next 10 years we're expected to spend 65 $TRILLION. Adding another 1.75 $TRILLION is not a budget buster. Tax cheats alone fail to pay a $TRILLION per Year in legitimate taxes while the GOP adamantly opposes any expansion of the IRS aimed at collecting what we are owed.

[edhopper]

9. As I said in a thread

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216213847

[FreepFryer]

10. Manchin Manchin Manchin (Nt)

[gratuitous]

11. A nation reels in shock at Manchin's duplicity

Thankfully, our major media completely overlook 50 Republican Senators who are missing in action on this or any other issue facing the country.

[Walleye]

12. The personification of head up his ass

[Johonny]

13. Joe negotiates in bad faith. Just a clown at this point.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

16. Where in article does it refer to Manchin himself saying he is reducing the position before Xmas?

Linked article says nothing, and link in link is paywalled.

There’s nothing here.

But read what you will in whatever thin ether there is.

And here is no …snip…that’s whole article.

[iemanja]

19. In the OP

“About four weeks later, the West Virginia Democrat has made clear that he does not currently support advancing even that offer following a breakdown in negotiations between Manchin and the White House right before Christmas.”

[Alexander Of Assyria]

22. Is there full quote of the statement referred to this week?

[applegrove]

20. Does this help?

"SNIP......

Manchin said publicly this week that he was no longer involved in talks with the White House over the economic package. Privately, he has also made clear that he is not interested in approving legislation resembling Biden’s Build Back Better package and that Democrats should fundamentally rethink their approach. Senior Democrats say they do not believe Manchin would support his offer even if the White House tried adopting it in full — at least not at the moment — following the fallout in mid-December. The people spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations.

.....SNIP"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2022/01/08/manchin-white-house-talks/

[Alexander Of Assyria]

21. Not really. Manchin said this week he is no longer involved in talks...what about next week?

And …privately…to who, in what context…what does that even mean?

My point is it’s all speculation, Biden hasn’t said anything about this so I wouldn’t panic until then.

It’s a rehash. Nothing has changed since the Christmas break from politics.

And think the WAPO headline I can see behind paywall has the word…appears…so it’s speculation by admission.

[iemanja]

23. Christmas week when he blew up BBB?

You seem to be right on that one.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

24. It's not blown up. Only thing blowing up is speculation, much like the infrastructure bill

was never going to be passed with Manchin as the roadblock then also if not mistaken.
And then it was passed and the memory was erased.

[iemanja]

25. He announced it on Fox news

We all saw it. You are denying reality. Now, that doesn't mean he can't change his mind another hundred or two times.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

26. Biden said negotiations will be resumed after New Year, correct?

Manchin never said that was incorrect, unless m wrong.

So give it more than a few days, ignore the media rattle…remember the run up to the infrastructure bill passing?

[iemanja]

27. Ignore Manchin's own words

because you say so. No, thanks.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

29. Every day passing, Groundhog Day becomes the most subtly insightful comedy ever made.

[applegrove]

28. What do you mean by reducing the position before Xmas?

[Alhena]

30. There's no political advantage to him in agreeing to anything

His entire political constituency right now, at least nationally, is for being the fly in the ointment for the Dems. It's not like Dems are going to like him even if he agrees, and he will lose his constituency if he does so, as well as his fawning appearances on Fox News.

[applegrove]

31. It boils down to people like Manchin getting election dollars and

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pac support from outside donors, not locals. So he is beholden to them not his people who vote for him. With enough money he can win those votes by snowing them.