You can thank TFG for this Pandemic nightmare.

[Botany]

May 2018 The Trump Administration disbands the White House pandemic response team.

July 2019 The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) epidemiologist embedded in China’s disease control agency left the post, and the Trump Administration eliminated the role.

https://doggett.house.gov/media-center/blog-posts/timeline-trumps-coronavirus-responses

[RKP5637]

1. So, the stupid republicans here just released a poll that Biden is a failure and is

responsible for all of the problems in how he is handing it. Really, I am so fucken tired of republicans ... they have no conception about anything and despite their educational level are stupid as hell and ever so gullible. ... and delusional.

[Botany]

3. The republicans and Fox News have been working to keep the pandemic going in order to ...

.... blame President Biden for the illness, death, and suffering.

[RKP5637]

22. And so many Americans are so damn stupid, just falling into line for propaganda, lies, distortions

and delusions. The GOP screws Americans over and over, and many idiotic Americans say thank you.

[Botany]

25. I just talked to a cashier in Columbus, OH yesterday and she told me she was going ....

.... her son in law's funeral in KY this week. He was un-vaccinated and died of C-19. She said
that she has some of her family (could be in laws) in southern KY and northern TN, none of
them are vaccinated, others in that clan have had C-19, and they will be at the funeral and they
will not wear masks. She told me that she has tried talking to them and or begging them to
get vaccinated and they refuse to do so because of some kind of clap trap.

I will always remember at some right wing event last July (C-PAC ??) the crowd breaking out and
cheering when a speaker said that only 68% of Americans had gotten @ least one vaccination
which was short of Joe Biden's goal of 70% by July 4th. Sick mother fuckers cheering on death
and disease.

[RKP5637]

34. I don't get what has happened to the US. I really don't recall the ignorance being

so great. There was always some ... but it's like the outer fringe has moved into the 40% range. It's so dangerous ... it makes me wonder how the US could survive if something far worse than Covid were to come along. I guess the brainwashing has been so severe and now can be easily populated by the internet. There is excellent information available ... but yet many cling to lies and delusions. It's like a Stephen King horror novel.

[keithhs28]

30. Stupid people are...

...a security threat to the county.

[RKP5637]

35. Absolutely!!!!! n/t

[patphil]

62. It falls under Bonhoeffer's Theory of Stupidity.

Essentially stupidity is not necessarily related to intellectual capacity or education:

[agingdem]

2. And the lying orange cretin said Obama

blamed Obama .. said no protocols .. Ron Klain said bullshit..he wrote the response

[Botany]

4. After dealing with ebola (2 dead Americans) President Obama left the personal, protocols, and ...

.... materials (Kushner and Pompeo shipped 18 tons of PPE to China in Feb. 2020) in place to
deal with any future pandemics.

[SCantiGOP]

5. He was asked about it

He said it was typical government waste, something a private business would never do, and if they needed the office they would simply re-staff it from the thousands of resumes they had from people that wanted to work in the Trump Administration.

What a great idea. My County could save a lot of tax money if they would just lay off all of the Fire and Ambulance staff. If anyone needs them in the future they can simply hire new people.

[Botany]

7. TFG screwed with this too.

https://www.usaid.gov/sites/default/files/documents/1864/predict-global-flyer-508.pdf

[Alexander Of Assyria]

23. Memory is a good thing, so puzzled how mass media has mass amnesia about all that.

[Botany]

27. "media amnesia"

We heard non stop crap that was not true about Hillary and her emails but did we hear about
TFG's well known connections to the mob in 2016?

[Jim__]

6. It is important that people remember this.

The US government had people working with the Chinese to avoid a pandemic and that idiot Trump shut that down. They left the post in July and in December the pandemic got started - this may be more than just a coincidence. We really shouldn't put idiots in charge of our government.

[CrispyQ]

8. This is what happens when you deconstruct the administrative state:

When shit happens, you can't get shit done.

Kushner telling Trump to let the virus go cuz it was only in blue states was about the stupidest thing ever. The only biology class I had was in high school & even I know contagious diseases don't care about boundaries, politics, or religion. Did they really think it would just stay in NY & WA?

[Irish_Dem]

9. If there was no money in it for him or his family, he cut it.

Especially if it was designed to help regular people.

[Botany]

11. Trump was well aware of the coming pandemic in Oct or Nov of 2019 .... we told the Israelis ....

.... and he and Kushner invested in hydroxychloroquine and their own C-19 test kits neither
of which worked.

[Irish_Dem]

12. The power/wealthy elite have top drawer treatment. The rest of us are expendable.

[Botany]

14. ABCNews: Intelligence report warned of coronavirus crisis as early as November

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/intelligence-report-warned-coronavirus-crisis-early-november-sources/story?id=70031273

"Analysts concluded it could be a cataclysmic event," a source said.

[Irish_Dem]

15. Anyone reading the news from China that Fall, knew the score.

I remember telling my friends in that December, it was going to be very bad and that people we know will die. They looked at me like I was crazy.

[Botany]

16. I am almost positive that "it" was here in America in 2019 and early 2020 before the 1st case ....

... was discovered in Seattle in mid January of 2020 and I think I had a case from the last week of
2019 and the 1st month of 2020. Low grade fever, dry cough, real fatigue, body ache, and a general
malaise. I wish I had been tested before I got my vaccine in April of 2021.

[barbtries]

33. A doctor I work with who is in LA

says it was there as early as August 2019. I got the most sick I've ever been in CA in Oct2019. Will never know if it was COVID or not, but it could have been. Am convinced that my son and his family, and another friend in LA, had it in Jan2020 just before it was starting to get reported on.

[Irish_Dem]

39. I agree, I feel certain it was here the previous Fall.

An anecdotal story:

Around Sept and October of 2019, an acquaintance of mine had an adult son who was diagnosed with a "bad case of pneumonia" and ended up in a coma on a ventilator. He died soon thereafter.

This acquaintance and her adult daughter spent a lot of time in the hospital with him prior to his death. Quite coincidentally at the time, this daughter also gets "pneumonia" and ends up on a respirator and dies. All happens well before Christmas of 2019. No one at all thinks Covid.

In hindsight I think it was Covid. The odds of having two adult children get pneumonia causing death within a 5 week period seems highly unlikely.

Right, how many of us had it that fall and early winter and didn't realize it?

[Botany]

41. A neighbor and friend who was a scientist has told me on a # of times that she had friends who ....

... worked as flight crew members for a large airliner company and they have all told her
about cases in the fall of 2019 they all knew about.

[nolabear]

47. My son drove Uber from SEATAC in 2020 and had a fare

who claimed to be an epidemiologist from the UW—she said it dated back to November. He said she seemed utterly believable. At that time no one was saying that.

[Irish_Dem]

52. Exactly. The experts knew. The White House probably knew in Nov or Dec.

We have proof they knew for sure in January.

[IronLionZion]

60. They knew. They wanted to kill us in the cities

a plan which backfired badly as the rural areas got it disproportionally harder due to disinformation on the right.

[Irish_Dem]

61. Yes when Jared learned Covid was hitting blue cities, he did nothing.

Let them die was the plan.

[Silver Gaia]

56. Same here.

Late December 2019. Northern CA. Me, my hubby, my daughter, and my best friend. I think I picked it up while Christmas shopping and gave it to everyone else. I had all the classic Covid symptoms. Took me weeks to get over it. I was at the worst of it right about this time in January two years ago. Fatigue so great I could barely walk, deep racking coughs, fever... I thought it was a flu. I remember thinking it was odd, though, because my colds and flu usually start in my sinuses and eventually all the congestion ends up in my chest, but this was different because it STARTED in my chest. My sinuses were not clogged, but my chest was so congested I could barely breathe. My family and my friend all had similar illnesses. I also remember fearing it would kill me. I have little doubt that it was Covid, but yeah, like the rest of you, I will never know for sure.

[ymetca]

48. Yup me too

and relatives (some now deceased from it) scoffed.

And I remember the night he got "elected" (if you can even call it that, considering our horrid electoral college system), saying to my wife "This fool is going to get people killed".

[2naSalit]

10. Never forget!

[llashram]

13. yep

I tell all my Uber drivers(no car) and anyone else I engage with just this very thing Keep teaching

[stage left]

17. I have

I do. I always will. I place all the deaths in the US, all the suffering squarely on the shoulders of TFG.

[Evolve Dammit]

18. ANYONE paying attention to how this unfolded, was ridiculed and denied, response efforts undermined

knows exactly who made this worse then it needed to be at every fucking step. The orange anus and MAGAT land inflicted the chaos and they still are. I have never had such animosity toward any group as I do these domestic terrorists.

[Botany]

20. TFG dismantled all the safguards that President Obama had left in placejust because he didn't ...

.... like and was blindingly jealous of "the black guy."

[Evolve Dammit]

21. when the Ethics Commission was abolished I knew what was coming. Hell, when he ran I knew. Mob boss.

[Botany]

26. I have no doubt that Putin installed Trump in order to weaken and divide tht United States.

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And in that he has been wildly successful.

[AngryOldDem]

38. I think there is no debate about that.

It was years in the making — Fox News, disinformation campaigns, etc. — but Putin pulled this off brilliantly.

[Evolve Dammit]

44. May the truth emerge, soon.

[ymetca]

51. You can include

the Mercers and the Kochs, and a whole bunch of other "global elites", believing only they have the right to rule the world, and the rest of us are expendable. Just so much "human capital", to be used up like any other "resource".

This whole nightmare is all about money, greed and power. For "if power asks why, power is weakness". They do these things to us simply because they can. And Democracy just stands in the way. Rule by the consent of the governed is anathema to these folks.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

THE EMPIRE NEVER ENDED

[paleotn]

19. Waste of taxpayer money...

after all, viruses are a Chinese hoax like climate change.

[BobTheSubgenius]

24. Of course we can!

I've been in favour of calling it The Drumpf Virus all along.

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

63. CV-45...

... is what I usually call it. If it wasn't for the damage and delays of TFG-45, we would not be where we are at this point.

And as to the comments above concerning, "it was here before it was here", I lost a good friend who was in and out of the hospital from November 2019 thru January 2020 when she died. They kept saying she had a, "bad case of pneumonia that won't go away". She was diabetic and had to check her BG every couple of hours and travel with an epipen. So that is pretty much what her death was blamed on.

[BobTheSubgenius]

66. She must have been one of the first Americans taken by this scourge.

What a damned shame. I'm sorry.

[Rebl2]

28. Find it

interesting the trump administration disbanded the response team and then within a couple years there is a pandemic

[OMGWTF]

29. TFG to me equals "That Fkin' Guy"

[barbtries]

31. Oh I do.

but I'm also extremely pissed at the 30 to 40 percent of the population who will not get vaxxed, wear masks, or social distance. Trump is gawd awful but he satisfies something in these freaks, who live among us.In my case, some of them are people I love.

sigh.

[calimary]

32. Such fabulous foresight that crapmaster had.

I’m actually torn here. Between calling him a crapmaster and a crapmeister.

[dchill]

36. That's about the size of it.

[AngryOldDem]

37. Yep.

Don’t forget, too, all his magical thinking about it “just going away,” or “going away by Easter,” or “going away when the weather gets warm.” Not to mention Clorox.

Absolute disaster, and the worst possible person to be in office when this all started.

As Rick Wilson says, everything Trump touches turns to shit. I hate Trump with the heat of ten million suns, and more.

[Botany]

40. If your blood pressure can take it got to the link in my O.P.

Time after time TFG said stupid shit that in the end wound up killing people.

[XanaDUer2]

65. I think that all the time

He was the absolute worst person to be President when this occurred. I mean, the absolute most incompetent, deadly, psychopathic person. It's like a perfect storm happened.

[BeckyDem]

42. I still want him in jail.

[Progressive Jones]

43. It shall be known as the Trump Disease. nt

[Blue Owl]

45. FF45 hobbled and disabled the safety nets that were in place to contain pandemics

Pure and simple. That fat fucking fuck should be charged — it’s like tampering with a fire alarm or obstructing a traffic signal, which is again test the law.

If COVID happened during Obama’s administration, I believe it would have been contained more quickly and competently, and would have never have reached the level of pandemic it became under FF45…

[Botany]

46. You think having an epidemiologist on the ground in Wuhan looking for shit like the corona virus ...

... might have been a good thing?


Small edit.
"If COVID happened during a Hillary Clinton administration, I believe it would have been contained more quickly and competently, and would have never have reached the level of pandemic it became under FF45…"

[YP_Yooper]

57. it would have been contained more quickly and competently

it's a nice thought, but since every country on earth went through it, and not just FF45, we'd still be in the same place.

Remember, even the CDC was part of the problem at the beginning. Read their guidance in early 2020 and you'd think they were in the Twilight Zone. Also, the Chinese were NOT very cooperative either.

[Takket]

49. i honestly cannot believe how little is made of all those events.....

we know for a fact they denied PPE supplies to "blue" states to make their governors "look bad" and they just got away with it (for now)

there is a house committee looking into those events......

https://coronavirus.house.gov/about

but they have garnered 0 media attention compared to the jan 6 committee, but the virus committee's work is every bit as if not more important.

hopefully when they issue a report the media will not ignore it

[Skittles]

50. they grilled Hillary under oath for hours about four deaths

Trump caused deaths in the six figures, when will HE be questioned under oath???

[colsohlibgal]

53. 100%

If a normal human being, either party, had been in office at the outset of this thing we would be in a far different place right now. Instead we were stuck, because of stupid people, with an incompetent pathological liar. His lying and downplaying of this at the outset let this disease get a firm foothold here quickly.

Trump should be looking at Prison, not a return to Office. Oh and still don’t know why he hasn’t yet pitched over because of his weight, his diet, his lack of real exercise.

[Drunken Irishman]

54. That's small potatoes and almost irrelevant now.

Where Trump did the most damage was by downplaying the virus and uplaying the conspiracy theories so that a good chunk of the country refused to do what was needed. Even with competent leadership, it's all irrelevant if 40% of the country refuses to vaccinate.

That's what has made the pandemic a nightmare.

[jaxexpat]

55. Funny,

that's just the thing I'd do were I in a position of great power and wanted to create a disruption in world civilization to cover my tracks while I pilfered the people's good silverware and carved my initials on the resolute desk.

[C Moon]

58. And the GOP for trying to keep it alive before the 2022 elections nt

[IronLionZion]

59. It's much more Republican to blame foreigners

people who are too stubbornly dumb to take a free vaccine or wear a simple face covering would prefer to claim that foreigners are coming here from our southern border and overseas to infect us with COVID. Haters view hate as the solution to every problem.

I don't know if there are many Chinese in Italy. When Italy was getting it hard in the beginning, I don't believe they blamed Chinese or any other foreigners for COVID. Maybe it's all Marco Polo's fault.

[MissMillie]

64. Thank you, Captain Obvious (n/t)

.