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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWest Virginia's coal miners just made Joe Manchin's life a lot harder
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/01/10/manchin-bbb-coal-miners-vs-owners/
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https://archive.fo/FL7jn
For months, Sen. Joe Manchin III has sold his opposition to the Build Back Better proposal as driven uniformly by a brave and hardheaded assessment of the national interest. He has warned that BBB will fuel inflation and that its climate provisions will push energy markets to evolve too quickly and lead to a dangerous dependence on Chinese supply chains.
It just got harder for the West Virginia Democrat to get away with this stance. And the culprit is none other than coal miners in his home state, whose union is redoubling calls for Manchin to support President Bidens agenda.
Whats happening now with miners seems like a seminal moment. Some of the worst tropes in our politics Democrats harbor nothing but elitist ill will toward miners, and miners way of life must be defended at all costs are cracking up and falling away.
All this emerges from a new report in the New York Times that illustrates the true nature of home-state cross-pressures on Manchin. Hes caught between the miners union and mine owners, who vehemently oppose BBB.
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CrispyQ
(36,421 posts)over the workers. Profits over the planet.
We suffer from lack of imagination, the inability to see just how much our environment is going to change over the next few decades. We being the entire human species.
TheBlackAdder
(28,167 posts)CrispyQ
(36,421 posts)just like him. They are in for a surprise, though. It's going to be more than a bumpy ride.
certainot
(9,090 posts)the deficit and the filibuster
those miners need to strike
McKim
(2,412 posts)Amen, strike!!!! Just stop helping the mine owners!
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)with Pfizer to gouge people on epipen prices. When the price of a twin pack went from $124 in 2009 to over $600 in 2016. There was also allegations that she lied about having an MBA from WVA university and that that school attempted to retriactively give her one.. https://www.herald-dispatch.com/news/panel-manchins-daughter-didnt-earn-degree/article_63c37b41-e88b-5d17-a786-046b9e035e85.html
I don't think playing on their family valu3s us going to help.
2naSalit
(86,323 posts)Probably more like one decade.
Wounded Bear
(58,598 posts)Not surprising that the union miners would take him to task.
LudwigPastorius
(9,104 posts)Nittersing
(6,345 posts)Carlitos Brigante
(26,494 posts)with those guys. I don't see the whole "Unfrozen Caveman Senator" act working on them. Like it does with the press.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)BComplex
(8,017 posts)wings. A Bernie Sanders type democrat/independent that spans the divide. And someone who will actually vote to make the lives of the PEOPLE of west virginia better off. (i.e., vote WITH the democrats!)
Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)Last edited Mon Jan 10, 2022, 03:40 PM - Edit history (1)
Trump won WVA by over 40% of the votes...Manchin is the last Democrat in WVA most likely in my lifetime...generations IMHO.
fwvinson
(488 posts)Campaigning for a better life is what wins.
Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)They vote for Manchin because of his heritage...and when he is gone...just like Byrd...it curtains for Democrats in WVa...why do you suppose the Governor changed his party? This isn't a deep-blue district in New York.
calimary
(81,110 posts)If you cant do anything realistic to fix the Manchin problem itself, then focus on fixing the turf around him.
Where else do we have a chance to flip a red Senate seat to blue (like with Fetterman in Pennsylvania, for example)?
Where else do we need to secure a blue Senate seat thats considered vulnerable?
Where do we build so his currently-pivotal position goes AWAY?
If were stuck with him, then we need to go around him and build enough strength in spite of him so that his vote doesnt have the unreasonable pivotal clout that it unfortunately has now.
A 50/50 Senate divide leaves us screwed. It is ALWAYS teetering on the brink of toppling on a critical (and inevitably controversial) issue. And add in some flighty mess like Kyrsten Sinema and theres even more urgency to add Democrats. REAL Democrats who can be counted on to vote the way they should and not wander over within hugging distance of the red team.
We need to add Senators to the blue team.
Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)Manchin's seat, the Georgia seat. We have a shot in Ohio... a long shot but still a shot. And I was responding to those who believe they could actually field a populist Democratic candidate and win the senate seat after Manchin is no longer there.
calimary
(81,110 posts)If more Democrats move there, or register there, or stand up and be counted there, or switch parties and become Democrats, then I'd say the climate may be improving for our side there. These things tend to take time.
But if we hold on later this year, that'll send a message.
And it's still a long time til 2024, and trump's numbers have been steadily dropping.
And his crowds have shrunk.
So his voice doesn't carry like it used to. Same for his "luster" as a "winner." He's steadily changing persona has gone from "winner" to "whiner."
If those trends continue, he won't have the momentum to get back into our White House. But 2024 is a long time in the future, and as we've already seen many times, ANYTHING can happen!
druidity33
(6,444 posts)Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)And polls showed those who voted for a Democrat in the primary would not vote for one in a general...you can't compare a general and primary...very different things. In years to come...many years...possibly a moderate might have a shot...but I won't live to see it.
Cha
(296,848 posts)one who won't broad brush the Whole Dem Party when it's just 2 who are holding up Progress.
Yep!!!! Straight talk will win the ticket!!!
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UTUSN
(70,645 posts)Last edited Mon Jan 10, 2022, 03:01 PM - Edit history (1)
Bayard
(22,005 posts)Should organize to start running ads nationally to show their support for BBB, and why.
Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)dealing with.
jaxexpat
(6,799 posts)citizens of " border " states (as in border of union vs confederate) still see Democrats as Dixiecrats. That's the dna memory of much of my maternal family. I'd hear legends of Morgan's raiders' debauchery from my great grandmother. She didn't live them but she kept them alive with the telling. Pass the old union cavalry sword around and curse Roosevelt.
Ligyron
(7,616 posts)Well there is the problem of money I suppose. The repukes are funded SO much better than we.
Prof. Toru Tanaka
(1,943 posts)GOOD!
Grind that intransigent POS into a pile of coal dust.
Botany
(70,447 posts)... paid in the future big time by fossil fuel industries and anything else is just a smoke screen. One of
the cornerstones of the BBB is clean, green, renewable energies, and the fossil fuel industries are worth
> $1 trillion as they are functioning right now and so Joe sees the BBB as something that must be stopped
and in stopping the BBB Joe might become W.V. only billionaire.
Anything he says about bipartisanship, child tax credits, supply chain, the economy, and so on is just crap.
This is from Sept. 2021
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216005972
yep. TRy to tell WVA this. Will it change their minds? I don't know. But just also point out that the behavior is Manchin trying to imitate Republicans and their donors. Will that help? I dunno.
BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)Blue Owl
(50,259 posts)FakeNoose
(32,579 posts)This state has so many out-of-work people; and it's a beautiful climate, a lovely mountain state, lots of property, low cost of living. Why can't they attract industry there?
It makes me wonder what's wrong with the leaders and politicians of West Virginia? There should be TONS of companies wanting to move there, only hours from Washington DC, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, New York, Baltimore and the East Coast.
The problem is the dying coal industry - they own the politicians and they don't want any competition. The coal company owners act like oligarchs - they don't care how many West Virginians they starve, it doesn't matter to them.
The coal miners union knows their industry is dying and they have only a few desperate years left. The real course is to fight coal company owners by making them secondary, less important in the state of West Virginia. Make the coal owners lose their sweetheart tax deals and land deals that favor companies over workers. I know there are Democratic leaders who can do this in West Virginia.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,559 posts)If so, they are fighting BBB like rabid hyenas.
lees1975
(3,839 posts)They have a governor, a state legislature, two senators and three congressmen who all sell them down the river and lavish rewards on the companies, claiming that if the wealthy mine owners don't get the benefit, there won't be jobs. Well, the wealthy mine owners close down mines, lay off workers and constantly work to avoid having to pay fair wages.
Democrats, unfortunately, have fed into that rhetoric with the environmental position. Build Back Better will be the best thing that could happen to stimulate job growth in coal country since the Clinton administration.