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brooklynite

(94,256 posts)
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 04:20 PM Jan 2022

Bernie Sanders says Democrats are failing: 'The party has turned its back on the working class'

The Guardian

Senator Bernie Sanders has called on Democrats to make “a major course correction” that focuses on fighting for America’s working class and standing up to “powerful corporate interests” because the Democrats’ legislative agenda is stalled and their party faces tough prospects in this November’s elections.

The White House is likely to see his comments as a shot across the bow by the left wing of a party increasingly frustrated at how centrist Democrats have managed to scupper or delay huge chunks of Biden’s domestic policy plans.

In an interview with the Guardian, Sanders called on Joe Biden and the Senate majority leader, Chuck Schumer, to push to hold votes on individual bills that would be a boon to working families, citing extending the child tax credit, cutting prescription drug prices and raising the federal hourly minimum wage to $15.

Such votes would be good policy and good politics, the Vermont senator insisted, saying they would show the Democrats battling for the working class while highlighting Republican opposition to hugely popular policies.

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Bernie Sanders says Democrats are failing: 'The party has turned its back on the working class' (Original Post) brooklynite Jan 2022 OP
It's not "Democrats" Bernie... orwell Jan 2022 #1
Blaming the Democrats per usual Bernie... Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #2
:) Same as, same old for 60 years. He literally hasn't changed Hortensis Jan 2022 #12
It's not even them, it is all the republicans united Tumbulu Jan 2022 #6
"something democrats cannot seem to do" Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2022 #13
Being frustrated with some is different than blaming the democrats Tumbulu Jan 2022 #46
Of course it's all our fault, Bernie. There are no Republicans in office. Dems are the only ones... Hekate Jan 2022 #3
Oh, give me a fucking break. GoCubsGo Jan 2022 #4
Yep, he's reverting back to fighting the Democratic Party establishment. brush Jan 2022 #7
Bern the establishment!!!! Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2022 #33
No Kidding! Midterms are coming & McCarthyism Cha Jan 2022 #32
All I can say is, "GoCubsGo"!! I agree. George II Jan 2022 #38
I would love to see repubs have to vote against the expanded child tax credit questionseverything Jan 2022 #5
Just Once, Sir, For Variety If Nothing Else The Magistrate Jan 2022 #8
Smelling salts would be in order, as I might faint at the shock of it. nt Hekate Jan 2022 #11
He criticizes Republicans. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2022 #14
This is putting out Christmas lights on July 5th. Sound familiar? It should. DFW Jan 2022 #22
+1 betsuni Jan 2022 #24
lol Cha Jan 2022 #28
Bingo! Nixie Jan 2022 #39
Bernie, Bernie, Bernie Yandex Jan 2022 #31
Just once. Really? You've never heard him criticize republicans? Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2022 #47
Link? sheshe2 Jan 2022 #54
. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2022 #55
Great link to your comment! sheshe2 Jan 2022 #59
There is one in the article linked above. progressoid Jan 2022 #65
Oh Snap! sheshe2 Jan 2022 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Jan 2022 #64
Didn't read the article did you Sir. progressoid Jan 2022 #66
Sad to see a clickbait headline like this from the Guardian. crickets Jan 2022 #9
+1 Emile Jan 2022 #17
Can't Senator Sanders craft some bills and round up support comradebillyboy Jan 2022 #23
Great point! sheshe2 Jan 2022 #56
+1 Props for using "scupper" though leftstreet Jan 2022 #29
He has described the Democratic Party as a failure before for the same reason, so not a stretch. betsuni Jan 2022 #44
Fair points, but it's not 2017. It's not 2018. crickets Jan 2022 #49
It wasn't in quotes, not claimed that he said this exact word in this particular interview. betsuni Jan 2022 #52
Not its not, BS said "the Democratic Party has turned its back on the working class" that's not uponit7771 Jan 2022 #70
#nothelping Mad_Machine76 Jan 2022 #10
"the Republican Party is winning more and more support from working people ... because in too many betsuni Jan 2022 #15
Post removed Post removed Jan 2022 #16
criticizing... myohmy2 Jan 2022 #18
Interesting how you avoid the main point in the OP iemanja Jan 2022 #40
okay... myohmy2 Jan 2022 #58
Oh, shut the hell up. W_HAMILTON Jan 2022 #19
Post removed Post removed Jan 2022 #20
What's Bernie doing about it? mcar Jan 2022 #21
Exactly. Is he working on any moderate GOP Sens? I know they're rare, but they exist. nt Progressive Jones Jan 2022 #61
let's have an F-35 in every garage bt msongs Jan 2022 #25
The Biden BOOM! Who's Paying Attention?! Cha Jan 2022 #26
in the entire article, he never uses the word failing, only time it appears is the clickbait title Celerity Jan 2022 #27
The Democratic Party has "turned its back" iemanja Jan 2022 #41
He says that Republicans are gaining support because the Democratic Party has "turned its back on betsuni Jan 2022 #42
Worse, because "turned its back" sounds deliberate. Why doesn't he go after the R's pnwmom Jan 2022 #45
He did. progressoid Jan 2022 #68
Acknowledging R opposition isn't the same as claiming Biden's turned his back on them. nt pnwmom Jan 2022 #69
Does he say Biden turned his back on them? progressoid Jan 2022 #74
BS did say, "the Democratic Party has turned its back on the working class" that's not factual ... uponit7771 Jan 2022 #71
McCarthy Is Already Planning To Strip Committee Assignments From Schiff, Swalwell & Omar Cha Jan 2022 #30
Belated holiday greetings to Bernie Sanders FakeNoose Jan 2022 #34
Ha, that's funny. progressoid Jan 2022 #67
This is why I have a problem with Sanders. LiberalFighter Jan 2022 #35
What is he Thinking?! Cha Jan 2022 #57
Must ....... not ....... comment liberaltrucker Jan 2022 #36
The Independent Senator from Vermont 48656c6c6f20 Jan 2022 #37
That's helpful right now. Gidney N Cloyd Jan 2022 #43
Take it up with the so called centrists throwing a monkey wrench in gears of the agenda. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2022 #48
I hope Sanders takes it up with them too! Torchlight Jan 2022 #73
I think he's right on one thing TheFarseer Jan 2022 #50
Can't do that with reconciliation. onenote Jan 2022 #53
lies? myohmy2 Jan 2022 #60
Couldn't Biden give the Independent Senator from Vermont 48656c6c6f20 Jan 2022 #62
No quote of Sanders saying 'Dems are failing' Guess he didn't say that. bigtree Jan 2022 #63
He did say, "the Democratic Party has turned its back on the working class" ... that's not factual . uponit7771 Jan 2022 #72

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. :) Same as, same old for 60 years. He literally hasn't changed
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 05:27 PM
Jan 2022

his belief in all that time that Democrats were the impediment to America's joining the world socialist revolution (or more accurately century of cascades of revolutions.)

Proud to agree that's true, as far as it goes. It sure wasn't the conservatives who saved our nation from the collapse they caused and replaced desperation and privation with prosperity and equality.

"I am not now, nor have I ever been, a liberal Democrat." Bernie Sanders

Tumbulu

(6,268 posts)
6. It's not even them, it is all the republicans united
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 04:54 PM
Jan 2022

something democrats cannot seem to do.

Circular firing squad at its best.

Tumbulu

(6,268 posts)
46. Being frustrated with some is different than blaming the democrats
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 11:18 PM
Jan 2022

for the united front the republicans use against democrats.

And then blame the democrats for.

Hekate

(90,495 posts)
3. Of course it's all our fault, Bernie. There are no Republicans in office. Dems are the only ones...
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 04:35 PM
Jan 2022

… in government at any level. The GOPpers have all vanished. So naturally, it is the Democrats who are failing at every level.

Thank you, Bernie, for reminding me just how much you are not a trustworthy friend to us Democrats.


GoCubsGo

(32,069 posts)
4. Oh, give me a fucking break.
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 04:45 PM
Jan 2022

The House Dems passed every goddamn thing you wanted. The Senate is 50-50, and the entire GOP is and TWO malcontent Dems are what is holding up your agenda, not the Democratic party. I am so sick of this kind of shit.

brush

(53,719 posts)
7. Yep, he's reverting back to fighting the Democratic Party establishment.
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 04:57 PM
Jan 2022

Bernie, Bernie, Bernie, we thought after all these months of relative good behavior you'd finally gotten past all the '60s, campus radical rhetoric you've used so often in past campaigns.

Seems we were wrong.

And BTW, it's not going to persuade Manchin and Sinema to re-think their BBB stances. In fact, it may even harden their recalcitrant asses even more.

questionseverything

(9,644 posts)
5. I would love to see repubs have to vote against the expanded child tax credit
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 04:53 PM
Jan 2022

Let their constituents know repubs do not support working people trying to raise a family

Bernie is right, break bbb into small, easy to understand popular bills, even our two hold outs might come around

DFW

(54,253 posts)
22. This is putting out Christmas lights on July 5th. Sound familiar? It should.
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 05:49 PM
Jan 2022

The first campaign speech of the Democratic Primary of 2024.

"I am not now, nor have I ever been, a liberal Democrat."
PS: "but no one else will listen to and quote me, so here I am again!"

sheshe2

(83,583 posts)
59. Great link to your comment!
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 12:43 AM
Jan 2022

Link from the Mod Squad does not answer the question. So you have no link other than Link?

PS. I loved that show as a kid. Thanks for the memories.

progressoid

(49,916 posts)
65. There is one in the article linked above.
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 07:45 PM
Jan 2022
he said. “They are issues that are enormously popular, and on every one of them, the Republicans are in opposition."

Response to The Magistrate (Reply #8)

progressoid

(49,916 posts)
66. Didn't read the article did you Sir.
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 07:45 PM
Jan 2022
he said. “They are issues that are enormously popular, and on every one of them, the Republicans are in opposition.

crickets

(25,946 posts)
9. Sad to see a clickbait headline like this from the Guardian.
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 05:09 PM
Jan 2022

Neither the word "fail" nor "failure" appears anywhere in the article, certainly not as a comment made by Sanders. This article also injects more opinion and projection into the story than it should.

Obviously certain bills must be held back until the votes are there (BBB, Voting Rights) but I don't entirely disagree with his push to see smaller individual bills put up for vote. Make Republicans vote against those bills and own those votes that go against their constituents' interests.

comradebillyboy

(10,128 posts)
23. Can't Senator Sanders craft some bills and round up support
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 06:02 PM
Jan 2022

for his proposals. He's been in congress for quite a long time now and one would hope the Senator knows how to get his legislation to the floor for a vote. The Senator makes it seem easy.

betsuni

(25,347 posts)
44. He has described the Democratic Party as a failure before for the same reason, so not a stretch.
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 11:03 PM
Jan 2022

"The current model and the current strategy of the Democratic Party is an absolute failure." (2017)

"The business model, if you like, of the Democratic Party for the last fifteen years or so has been a failure." (2018)

crickets

(25,946 posts)
49. Fair points, but it's not 2017. It's not 2018.
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 11:29 PM
Jan 2022

I'm sure Sanders will say plenty that people don't like (myself included) in 2022, and maybe even use the word failure, but he didn't say it in this article. It's a bad headline.

betsuni

(25,347 posts)
52. It wasn't in quotes, not claimed that he said this exact word in this particular interview.
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 12:16 AM
Jan 2022

But he does think that, it's clear. His message is that the Democratic Party ignores the working class because it's a party of "coastal elites" beholden to the "donor class"/corporations/Wall Street/oligarchs/billionaires and because they're corrupt have the same economic policies as Republicans.

He has been saying the same thing for decades, but has been a champion for the Biden administration, which was great. Now this interview, last month ("The Democratic Party must once again become the party that stands up for the working class of this country" ), guess going back to original message. Democrats turning their back on, ignoring and failing the working class.

uponit7771

(90,300 posts)
70. Not its not, BS said "the Democratic Party has turned its back on the working class" that's not
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 09:00 PM
Jan 2022

... factual or fair.

Mad_Machine76

(24,384 posts)
10. #nothelping
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 05:13 PM
Jan 2022

Focus your ire on all 50 Republicans + 2 Democratic Republicans. Everybody else in on board with ya, Bern!

betsuni

(25,347 posts)
15. "the Republican Party is winning more and more support from working people ... because in too many
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 05:33 PM
Jan 2022

ways the Democratic Party has turned its back on the working class."

Republican voters are overwhelmingly white and financially better off than Democratic voters, the actual working class. At least he didn't say "elites" and "establishment" and "status quo" and "beholden."

I still don't know what "take on" means.

"Democrats are going to have to clear the air and say to the drug companies -- and say it loudly -- we're talking about the needs of the working class -- and use the expression 'working class.'"

So, the advice is to hold votes even if you don't have the votes to pass things, speak to corporations very loudly (maybe this is what take on means), repeat "working class" a lot.

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

myohmy2

(3,137 posts)
18. criticizing...
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 05:36 PM
Jan 2022

...the pukes is hopelessly futile so where can he apply criticism most effectively for change?

"...centrist Democrats have managed to scupper or delay huge chunks of Biden’s domestic policy plans."

...we all knew when they separated the BBB from the Infrastructure what was coming...are we suppose to be happy?

...are we supposed lick our wounds and go back to keeping our powder dry?...have what's left of the middle-class totally disappear?...wait another 50 years?

...Bernie speaks the truth...

...if you don't want to hear it, that's your problem...

...

iemanja

(53,010 posts)
40. Interesting how you avoid the main point in the OP
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 10:28 PM
Jan 2022

and instead focus on things most of us agree on.

Do you agree that Democrats have abandoned the "working class"? How do you imagine that's possible when the majority of the working class comprised of women and people of color continue to support Democrats? The only part of the working class that doesn't support the Dem Party is the white Trump voter, who values white supremacy and hatred for liberals above all else. Yet Sanders continues to cling to a 20th century notion of who those people are and insists on ignoring what they themselves have to say about their political beliefs.

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

iemanja

(53,010 posts)
41. The Democratic Party has "turned its back"
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 10:30 PM
Jan 2022

on the working class, and by that he means the white working class, who happen to support Trump.

Quote: “It is no great secret that the Republican party is winning more and more support from working people,” Sanders said. “It’s not because the Republican party has anything to say to them. It’s because in too many ways the Democratic party has turned its back on the working class.”

Why is it that Sanders can't understand that the working class includes the women and people of color who support Democrats? Why does he continue to use racially bound tropes without awareness of what he's saying?
Does he really believe only white Trump voters work? What the hell does he think the rest of us do, particularly voters of color who hold the majority of low-income jobs in this country? And why would you defend such rhetoric?

betsuni

(25,347 posts)
42. He says that Republicans are gaining support because the Democratic Party has "turned its back on
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 10:48 PM
Jan 2022

the working class." It has failed the working class.

He's used the word failure before, this is nothing new.

"The current model and the current strategy of the Democratic Party is an absolute failure. The Democratic Party needs fundamental change. What it needs is to open its doors to working people, and young people, and older people who are prepared to fight for social and economic justice. The Democratic Party must understand which side it is on. And that cannot be the side of Wall Street, or the fossil fuel industry, or the drug companies." (2017 at the People's Summit).

"The business model, if you like, of the Democratic Party for the last fifteen years or so has been a failure." (2018)

pnwmom

(108,950 posts)
45. Worse, because "turned its back" sounds deliberate. Why doesn't he go after the R's
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 11:06 PM
Jan 2022

who are uniformly fighting everything Biden tries to do?

progressoid

(49,916 posts)
68. He did.
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 08:05 PM
Jan 2022

From the linked article.

he said. “They are issues that are enormously popular, and on every one of them, the Republicans are in opposition.

uponit7771

(90,300 posts)
71. BS did say, "the Democratic Party has turned its back on the working class" that's not factual ...
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 09:00 PM
Jan 2022

... or fair.

That's text book bashing

FakeNoose

(32,527 posts)
34. Belated holiday greetings to Bernie Sanders
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 08:48 PM
Jan 2022


Hey Bernie - if you want to criticize our Party, you have to JOIN or Party first, OK?

LiberalFighter

(50,739 posts)
35. This is why I have a problem with Sanders.
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 08:51 PM
Jan 2022

And why I did not vote for him in the primary.

Getting tired of his rants.

Cha

(296,673 posts)
57. What is he Thinking?!
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 12:36 AM
Jan 2022

Most Dems in the HOUSE have Voted FOR Biden's Helping America and her People.. Even most of the Progs.. I guess there were a few who didn't.

But Most Dems have PJB's BACK!

Meanwhile McCarthyism is Rearing It's Ugly Head for the Midterms..



 

48656c6c6f20

(7,638 posts)
37. The Independent Senator from Vermont
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 09:23 PM
Jan 2022

Reminds everyone that he dislikes the Democratic Party. This is news?

TheFarseer

(9,316 posts)
50. I think he's right on one thing
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 12:02 AM
Jan 2022

They should bring each issue up for an individual vote. They always package all these things that are not necessary related and then there’s always something that one too many Senators doesn’t like so they vote against the whole package and in that way, nothing ever gets passed.

myohmy2

(3,137 posts)
60. lies?
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 12:50 AM
Jan 2022

...Bernie

"He said millions of Americans were concerned with such “painful realities” as “low wages, dead-end jobs, debt, homelessness, lack of healthcare”. In that statement, he said, many working-class Americans have grown disaffected with the political system because “nothing changes” for them “or, if it does, it’s usually for the worse”."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/10/bernie-sanders-democrats-failing-working-class-interview

...sounds like truth to me...

 

48656c6c6f20

(7,638 posts)
62. Couldn't Biden give the Independent Senator from Vermont
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 03:37 AM
Jan 2022

An ambassadorship to Tristan da Cunha or something?

bigtree

(85,970 posts)
63. No quote of Sanders saying 'Dems are failing' Guess he didn't say that.
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 03:49 AM
Jan 2022

...this is basically flamebait with the false, salacious title.

uponit7771

(90,300 posts)
72. He did say, "the Democratic Party has turned its back on the working class" ... that's not factual .
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 09:01 PM
Jan 2022

... or fair and its 100% text book bashing.

I wish he wouldn't do that

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