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Demovictory9

(32,449 posts)
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 07:34 PM Jan 2022

While Cleaning Gun, Mom Shoots 4-Year-Old--Twice

While Cleaning Gun, Mom Shoots 4-Year-Old—Twice
Child was hospitalized in critical condition, mother was arrested


A Detroit mother told police that someone tried to grab her purse outside their apartment Friday afternoon before opening fire, and that her 4-year-old child was struck twice by bullets. By that night, however, the woman had confessed there was no robbery—police say she was actually trying to clean her gun when she accidentally pulled the trigger, NBC News reports. The child was shot in the arm and the leg and was hospitalized in critical condition, ClickOn Detroit reports. The mother was arrested. The truth came to light after police discovered the crime scene was inside, not outside, the home

https://www.newser.com/story/315513/mom-shoots-her-4-year-old-twice-while-cleaning-gun.html
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While Cleaning Gun, Mom Shoots 4-Year-Old--Twice (Original Post) Demovictory9 Jan 2022 OP
Go for story #3 d_r Jan 2022 #1
the more guns, the more idiots with guns. maxsolomon Jan 2022 #2
I had an aunt that died this way Bayard Jan 2022 #3
Cleaning A Loaded Gun? ProfessorGAC Jan 2022 #16
How do you "clean" a loaded gun.... the bullets get in the way...Hummmmmm..nt mitch96 Jan 2022 #22
Wondered The Same ProfessorGAC Jan 2022 #25
Neither did her brothers Bayard Jan 2022 #27
Jesus Christ. Aristus Jan 2022 #4
Not one shot but two shots cleaning a gun wtf? doc03 Jan 2022 #5
Yeah that's what I was thinking. Maybe a semi auto, but would have to have the mag captain queeg Jan 2022 #7
The story is very thin on details. Chellee Jan 2022 #8
Hmm the old magic bullet theory. It could be I guess nt doc03 Jan 2022 #10
Claudine Longet Invitational? blm Jan 2022 #11
My daughter's first music teacher was killed in similar fashion. halfulglas Jan 2022 #6
did someone got to jail? Demovictory9 Jan 2022 #9
No. This was over 30 years ago when firearm injury by negligence was often considered halfulglas Jan 2022 #20
A bullet cannot be in the chamber if the gun is unloaded. PTWB Jan 2022 #12
I would presume the magazine was removed, and the owner mistakenly thought that meant that there Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #23
People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Jan 2022 #13
Solution - NRA/gun orgs sell liability insurance keithbvadu2 Jan 2022 #21
Rule number one for gun cleaning. Unload the gun, and make sure it's clear. rsdsharp Jan 2022 #14
Rule #3 - Don't have your fucking gun out when your kid is around. 3catwoman3 Jan 2022 #17
See Above ProfessorGAC Jan 2022 #18
why was there a bullet in the chamber anyway? why wasnt the saftey engaged or locked ? AllaN01Bear Jan 2022 #15
Not enough information in the story to know what actually happened in that regard. Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #24
another responsible gun owner! KG Jan 2022 #19
If only that child had been armed The Revolution Jan 2022 #26

Bayard

(22,061 posts)
3. I had an aunt that died this way
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 07:39 PM
Jan 2022

Some 65 years ago now. Her husband was cleaning the gun, it went off, and killed her. They also had a new baby. There were 6 brothers, including my Dad, and they never got over it.

Poor kid. Not much of a mom if she'd lie about that.

captain queeg

(10,171 posts)
7. Yeah that's what I was thinking. Maybe a semi auto, but would have to have the mag
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 07:49 PM
Jan 2022

azine in to get 2 shots off. Who would clean a gun with the magazine in place. And of course one in the chamber

Chellee

(2,095 posts)
8. The story is very thin on details.
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 07:53 PM
Jan 2022

But perhaps it wasn't two shots, but one bullet that went through the child's arm and into their leg. Shot twice, same bullet.

halfulglas

(1,654 posts)
6. My daughter's first music teacher was killed in similar fashion.
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 07:49 PM
Jan 2022

She was at a party with boyfriend and gun was being shown around. Idiot owner apparently didn't realize bullet could be in chamber if gun was unloaded.

halfulglas

(1,654 posts)
20. No. This was over 30 years ago when firearm injury by negligence was often considered
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 09:37 PM
Jan 2022

accidental. The owner claimed he unloaded it and wasn't aware there could still be a bullet in the gun capable of firing. I don't remember if there was even a negligence lawsuit. She was a talented musician and a good violin teacher.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
12. A bullet cannot be in the chamber if the gun is unloaded.
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 08:01 PM
Jan 2022

Last edited Tue Jan 11, 2022, 09:51 PM - Edit history (2)

A gun with a bullet in the chamber is, by the very definition, a loaded gun. It is too common that negligent discharges are dismissed as “accidental” and those responsible manage to avoid being held accountable.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
23. I would presume the magazine was removed, and the owner mistakenly thought that meant that there
Wed Jan 12, 2022, 12:42 AM
Jan 2022

was no round in the chamber.

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
13. People Control, Not Gun Control
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 08:09 PM
Jan 2022

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

keithbvadu2

(36,775 posts)
21. Solution - NRA/gun orgs sell liability insurance
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 09:47 PM
Jan 2022

"Guns: There's a "Free Market" Solution Every Republican Should Love"

Mandatory liability insurance

Insurance lets the market decide. Profit for the NRA

Solution - NRA/gun orgs sell liability insurance

Protects the gun owners,the public,and makes profit for NRA and gun orgs.

Surely we can trust the gun orgs to not take advantage of such power.

rsdsharp

(9,165 posts)
14. Rule number one for gun cleaning. Unload the gun, and make sure it's clear.
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 08:11 PM
Jan 2022

Rule number two. Take the ammunition out of the room in which you are cleaning the gun.

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
18. See Above
Tue Jan 11, 2022, 08:21 PM
Jan 2022

I made a similar comment.
Incredibly dumb to clean a loaded gun.
If(!) that's what really happened.

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