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While Cleaning Gun, Mom Shoots 4-Year-OldTwiceChild was hospitalized in critical condition, mother was arrested
A Detroit mother told police that someone tried to grab her purse outside their apartment Friday afternoon before opening fire, and that her 4-year-old child was struck twice by bullets. By that night, however, the woman had confessed there was no robberypolice say she was actually trying to clean her gun when she accidentally pulled the trigger, NBC News reports. The child was shot in the arm and the leg and was hospitalized in critical condition, ClickOn Detroit reports. The mother was arrested. The truth came to light after police discovered the crime scene was inside, not outside, the home
https://www.newser.com/story/315513/mom-shoots-her-4-year-old-twice-while-cleaning-gun.html
d_r
(6,907 posts)maxsolomon
(33,310 posts)simple statistics.
glad the kid's not dead.
Bayard
(22,061 posts)Some 65 years ago now. Her husband was cleaning the gun, it went off, and killed her. They also had a new baby. There were 6 brothers, including my Dad, and they never got over it.
Poor kid. Not much of a mom if she'd lie about that.
ProfessorGAC
(64,995 posts)That seems stupendously foolish & dangerous.
mitch96
(13,892 posts)ProfessorGAC
(64,995 posts)I think it's obvious that most of us on this thread don't buy this excuse.
Bayard
(22,061 posts)Aristus
(66,316 posts)Poor kid.
Gun idiots are the absolute worst!...
doc03
(35,325 posts)captain queeg
(10,171 posts)azine in to get 2 shots off. Who would clean a gun with the magazine in place. And of course one in the chamber
Chellee
(2,095 posts)But perhaps it wasn't two shots, but one bullet that went through the child's arm and into their leg. Shot twice, same bullet.
doc03
(35,325 posts)blm
(113,043 posts)Just cleaning the gun
The gun suddenly went off
halfulglas
(1,654 posts)She was at a party with boyfriend and gun was being shown around. Idiot owner apparently didn't realize bullet could be in chamber if gun was unloaded.
Demovictory9
(32,449 posts)halfulglas
(1,654 posts)accidental. The owner claimed he unloaded it and wasn't aware there could still be a bullet in the gun capable of firing. I don't remember if there was even a negligence lawsuit. She was a talented musician and a good violin teacher.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Last edited Tue Jan 11, 2022, 09:51 PM - Edit history (2)
A gun with a bullet in the chamber is, by the very definition, a loaded gun. It is too common that negligent discharges are dismissed as accidental and those responsible manage to avoid being held accountable.
Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)was no round in the chamber.
Sancho
(9,067 posts)This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that werent secured are out of control in our society. As such, heres what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. Im not debating the legal language, I just think its the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because its clear that they should never have had a gun.
1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learners license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.
Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a drivers license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.
keithbvadu2
(36,775 posts)"Guns: There's a "Free Market" Solution Every Republican Should Love"
Mandatory liability insurance
Insurance lets the market decide. Profit for the NRA
Solution - NRA/gun orgs sell liability insurance
Protects the gun owners,the public,and makes profit for NRA and gun orgs.
Surely we can trust the gun orgs to not take advantage of such power.
rsdsharp
(9,165 posts)Rule number two. Take the ammunition out of the room in which you are cleaning the gun.
3catwoman3
(23,973 posts)ProfessorGAC
(64,995 posts)I made a similar comment.
Incredibly dumb to clean a loaded gun.
If(!) that's what really happened.
AllaN01Bear
(18,159 posts)Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)KG
(28,751 posts)The Revolution
(766 posts)This could have been prevented.