Lots of people who are vaccinated are getting sick

[iemanja]

Last edited Wed Jan 12, 2022, 01:18 PM - Edit history (1)

My brother and nephew recently tested positive for COVID. They are both vaccinated, always wear masks, and are otherwise careful. Fortunately, both had relatively mild symptoms. Because I was exposed to my brother, both of us wearing masks, when he picked me up from a recent non-COVID related hospital stay, I went to get tested today. We are not anti-vaxxers and we don't behave in a risky matter. I myself rarely go out and always wear a KN95 mask when I do have to leave the house. I got tested today, despite the fact I have no symptoms because I don't want to run the risk of spreading COVID to anyone else.

It is not okay to belittle those who contract COVID. Omicron is virulent even among the vaccinated and boosted. Pretending everyone who gets sick or even wants to be tested is an anti-vaxxer or somehow deserves to be sick is a self-delusionary lie. It's also inhumane and cold-hearted.

[vanlassie]

1. Hope you're well. I don't notice belittling of

people who are vaxxed. It’s the covidiots who inspire the wrath, as far as I can see. Deservedly.

[iemanja]

2. TY

and if you look near the top of GD, you will see it.

[Kali]

3. that guy is a troll

"I don't drink with you" and a few other DU classics.

[XanaDUer2]

16. Lol

Omg I forgot about that. Ah, DU memories

[AngryOldDem]

21. Exactly.

I have no sympathy for those who refuse to get vaxxed and then get sick. I do have sympathy for those who have, or those for reasons who cannot, but still get sick — this is where the antivaxxers’ ignorance and selfishness is on full display.

[Earth-shine]

4. Pretending everyone who gets sick or even wants to be tested is an anti-vaxxer or somehow deserves

What?

[madville]

22. Thread laughing at people in long lines to get tested

Here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16237077

Assuming all people getting tested are anti-vaxxers.

Latest data I saw says 51% of people hospitalized with Omicron now are vaccinated to some degree. The “Pandemic of the Unvaccinated” ship has sailed and not the case anymore with Omicron.

[Earth-shine]

24. So, the poster could take the discussion there instead of creating their own out-of-context OP.

[iemanja]

37. I did

and I posted this OP. No one forced you to read it.

[Earth-shine]

38. I'm putting you on ignore. I think that little of your post.

[iemanja]

40. Thank you.

Especially for your concern about my family.

[Torchlight]

61. One might imagine that if they really think so little of your post

they'd simply ignore it altogether (that's what we do when we think little of something, right?), leading me to believe your respondent took the post a little more incisively and a little more deeply than they would admit to.

I think I'm finally getting the hang of this place.



But yeah-- that other thread was a few tons of flapdoodle, and it lead me to discovering (and now liberally using) the Ignore button to avoid the mean-spirited and boorish behavior.

[iemanja]

65. It had occurred to me that it might have hit

close to home for him. So be it.
Thanks for your input.

[tritsofme]

69. Think you could add me too? Much appreciated.

[Earth-shine]

76. Happy to oblige.

[Sunsky]

64. Exactly

It's obvious from the post that the OP is on an island and that's not the consensus here. We've had numerous posts from members who have contracted Covid despite being vaccinated. Numerous Democratic lawmakers have contracted covid recently. Contracting covid isn't anything to be ashamed of. People here, however, are less kind to those who are unvaccinated and end up very sick or dying.

[lees1975]

26. ???

I don't think that's accurate, based on updates and health department info from the past week and a half.

[madville]

29. CDC is always seemingly weeks behind

They released a study from the Houston Methodist healthcare system a few days ago, of the 1,313 patients hospitalized with the Omicron variant, 51% of that total were previously “vaccinated” and considered breakthrough infections by the CDC definition.


Excerpt:
We next analyzed Omicron vaccine breakthrough cases (Table 1, Table 2). We found 675 of the 1313 total Omicron patients (51.4%) for whom we have whole genome sequence data met the CDC definition of vaccine breakthrough cases

Compared to either Alpha or Delta patients, a significantly greater percentage of patients with breakthrough cases was caused by the Omicron VOC (51.4% compared to 3.2% and 24.3% for Alpha and Delta VOCs, respectively)

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.30.21268560v2.full

[NYC Liberal]

56. That number drops to just 10% for people who received the booster shot.

[madville]

58. The big question about that data point would be

What percentage of the overall population in the area that hospital system serves had received the booster by the period those numbers cover? Hard metric to pin down but towards the end of December about 25% of vaccinated adults had received the booster nationwide. Harris County, the largest one in that area, had a vaccination rate of 61% so that means about 15% of the total population there may have received the booster by then.

So if 10% of breakthrough hospitalizations were boosted, that is somewhat representative of the total population boosted there, would also need to look at the outlying rural counties that system also serves, vaccination rates are probably a little lower and would bring that 15% boosted number down a little.

[lees1975]

27. According to the CDC, hospitalizations among the vaccinated and boosted

have jumped with Omicron to 5.6%/.

[uponit7771]

43. Compared to Delta at same number of infected? I don't see that in the CDC data, I see the 5.6% jump

... because of increase in omicron infections no in omicron lethality.

[cadoman]

5. you are a good person and did all you could, and do not deserve to have COVID; however, others do

You are a good person. Your family is only sick because anti-vaxx shitheads mutated the virus. Thank you for being considerate enough to get tested even though you are not symptomatic.

This is all the fault of MAGAt trash who hate science and human decency. Doing "muh own research" and "prayin' to jeebus". Fuck them. They allowed Alpha to escape. Alpha turned into Delta. They let Delta escape. Delta turned into Omicron.

I don't know what science says the percent is but it probably says something like at least 98% need to be FULLY vaccinated and we are just nowhere close to that. We are likely going to be boosting once every month by the time the fucking unvaccinated are forced into line or die off. Even after we reach 98% we probably have a few safety boosters to administer after that. Thankfully Pfizer and others seem willing to keep making vaccines for us in spite of all the irrational public hate towards them. We just need the CDC and FDA to speed up and get as many shots in as many arms as frequently as possible.

[MFM008]

6. my best friends family

have all come down with it after not getting it till now- they are all vaxxed except the 6 year old who brought it home from day care or the teenage girl. they are still sick despite the vax.
Doesn't bode well for me, ive only had one a year ago then had a bad reaction to it, didn't get another.

[Hekate]

8. I'm sorry for your bad reaction to the COVID vax, but I now compare everything to Shingrex 1 & 2...

I had chickenpox as a kid, as did most of my generation, and it puts me at risk for shingles. My husband has had shingles. I really do not want this misery, thank you.

The 2-part Shingrex vaccine knocked me out for most of a week both times I had it. I was exhausted, achy, flu-ey, and my injection site was a hard hot red lump the size of my hand. These are very well known side effects, but not everybody gets them. I knew up-front that it was possible, because my doc told me.

My husband did not react this way to Shingrex. In fact, most vaccines don’t bother me much, just that one.

I treated myself with aspirin and naps, and by the 5th day was pretty much back to normal.

I only offer this anecdote in case you wish to have a comparison, and in case you might wish to reconsider finishing your course of COVID vaccinations. Up to you of course, and best of luck regardless.

[jimfields33]

15. The second shingles vaccine knocked me out too.

I’m still thankful I got it. From what I understand, getting shingles is horrifying.

[luv2fly]

18. My first shingles vaccine was no problem

I get my second this afternoon. I've been reading some horror stories and I'm not looking forward to it.

[jimfields33]

20. Good luck.

It may not be fun for a few days, but after that you are covered from getting shingles at least full blown. I promise you it will be worth it. Even though some have had a bad time, I have heard some say getting the second shingles vaccines caused absolutely no problems. I hope that’s your situation! Best of luck to you.

[luv2fly]

74. Thank you!

4 hours in, nothing, not even a sore arm. Fastest medical appointment I think I've ever had, in and out in less than 5 minutes, but I intentionally chose a small town branch of my provider so that I could avoid crowds.

Here's hoping my lack of symptoms lasts!

[LizBeth]

28. I get my second one soon, and I didn't know any horror stories about the

second one. Still wish I didn't know horror stories about the second. Guess I will do this one on my Friday.

[luv2fly]

77. Good call for a Friday vax

I was good last night early but 12 hours after my second shingles I got chills, body aches and a helluva headache. 18 hours now about the same, but having had shingles some years ago this is a piece of cake. Good luck on yours!

[iemanja]

31. I was lucky

in that neither shingles vaccine dose bothered me.

[liberal_mama]

63. I had shingles in May of 2015 and it was horrendous, but I'm still scared to get the shingles shot

A family member had a really bad reaction. I'm not squeamish about vaccines either, I get my flu shot every year, got a DPT (tetanus) shot in 2019, had my pneumonia shots, and my Covid vaccines. For some reason, I'm really terrified of the shingles shot. I have a bad feeling about it. I'm trying to get over my fear of it.

[LizBeth]

78. This is a newer shingle vacc. If that person was a while ago, know this is a

new and improved vacc. In 2015 my doctor told me not to bother with shingle shot. Only protected like in the 50%. This new one is much better from what I understand.

[Scrivener7]

13. What was your reaction?

[jimfields33]

53. Severe chills. Never so cold in my life.

And I’m in Florida where at the time the temp outside was in the 80’s.

[moonscape]

60. My 1st one I got 102 fever, and could

barely stay awake for 5 days. But he whole time I kept repeating ‘I’m building antibodies! I’m building antibodies!’ and was relieved by the evidence. 2nd shot only mild after-effects and 3rd nothing.

[PortTack]

7. 50+% of Americans are expected to get omicron. Mild symptoms for those vaccinated

The idiots that are not....omicron is not mild...it will kill you. If you live, long haul symptoms are worse than with the other strains

[Scrivener7]

12. Quote from boosted and vaxxed friend who got Omicron: "It certainly doesn't

feel mild to me. Childbirth is the only thing I can remember that made me feel worse."

[Zeitghost]

35. Omicron has not been around long enough to establish that

Please post a link to back up this claim or retract it.

[PortTack]

55. Dr Fauci "omicron will find just about everyone."

You can search for yourself. He was quoted on cnn

I don’t post things I can’t backup!

[Zeitghost]

62. Getting everyone...

And more likely to cause long covid are not the same things and I can find no claims by Dr. Fauci to back that up. It's on you to back up such claims and you have failed to do so.

[Ace Rothstein]

49. I'm pretty sure most of this is made up.

[democrattotheend]

57. Where are you getting that info re. long haul symptoms?

How do we know long haul is worse with Omicron than previous strains? Isn't it too early to know the extent/severity of long COVID caused by Omicron?

[left-of-center2012]

9. Five of my relatives got this new variant

Each had been vaccinated and boosted and wore masks

[herding cats]

10. Don't let anyone shame you! I caught it and I'm vaxxed and boosted.

I always wear a mask, we all do, and don't socialize outside of my closest (fully vaxxed and boosted) family anymore. My granddaughter caught it, more than likely from her other vaxxed and boosted grandparents since they're the only other people she was around, and her parents PCR test came back negative. She became sick while at my home after Christmas. We all did rapid test the day before being together, but apparently omicron can sneak through them that early on. She was too little for the vaccine, but her vaxxed 5 year old sister ended up testing positive, too. No symptoms there.

This one is a difficult one to avoid even if we're all vaxxed and trying truly hard to stay safe. The old guidelines just don't apply anymore. It is just that contagious. It was icky, but I hadn't been sick in so long maybe I'd forgotten what being sick even feels like? I was my husbands level of sick from a normal virus. Mercifully he never caught it from me or our granddaughter. He's also fully vaxxed and boosted. The only two positive persons with symptoms were me (immunocompromised due to lupus meds) and the one unvaxxed grandchild. Our vaccines worked. No major illness and only two (out of 9 people) even symptomatic cases. Neither of us were more than a normal cold. That's if you exclude the stress and worry for her from me, and no doubt what they had for me.

[whistler162]

17. Ditto... but I know I got it

at work and don't socialize outside of a weekly lunch with three other co-workers.

[iemanja]

33. I'm glad it wasn't terribly serious for you

My brother's case seems to be the same. He said he felt like he had a cold, but he also had a fever. He feels fine now. My nephew just tested positive so I don't know much about his condition.

[Dorian Gray]

11. Hope your brother will be okay

and hope you don't get it!

I think that the belittling COVID+ ship has sailed. Here in progressive Brooklyn, everybody has been getting it, boosted or not.

The boosted tend to have milder symptoms. The only person I know who even had a fever was an unvaccinated teenager. Everyone else had various degrees of symptoms.

[iemanja]

34. my brother did have a fever

despite being boosted. He's better now though.

[Dorian Gray]

52. It's all stressful

glad he's feeling better!

[Scrivener7]

14. Good luck and sending good thoughts to your brother. Let us know

how it comes out and how your brother fares.

[iemanja]

79. My test was negative

and my brother is all better and my nephew healing nicely.

[Scrivener7]

80. So glad to hear it. My sister is being tested today.

Pneumonia-like symptoms with dropping pulse ox. She can't get a PCR test where she lives, so she's doing a rapid test.

She has lots of comorbidities.

[iemanja]

82. I'm sorry to hear that.

I wish her the best.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

19. Our culture LOVES to make health and ability a morality test.

[FSogol]

23. Exactly, it is better to be rich and healthly than to be sick and poor.

[The Revolution]

25. As expected

I agree we should not belittle people who get COVID, despite being vaccinated. This is actually completely expected.

One reason of course is that vaccines don't create a force field around you; the whole purpose is to prep your immune system for when it encounters the virus...meaning it has already infected you. Ideally, you won't feel sick and won't be able to spread it to others.

The other reason is that nobody ever claimed any vaccine was 100% effective. Even if it is 95% effective at preventing serious illness, if 100 million people get it, then you are still potentially going to have millions of sick people. Especially if the overall population is not reaching a high enough vaccination rate to prevent community spread.

And of course some people are going to be working jobs that just have a higher rate of exposure, so lots of chances to get infected in the first place.

[BusterMove]

30. Yep. Nephew got covid for the 2nd time - exactly a year later, despite being vaccinated.

More mild this time around - no loss of taste/smell, etc.

[USALiberal]

32. Define lots! Nt

[Torchlight]

36. 1. "a large amount or number of people or things"

2. very much or very often

3. (colloquial or informal) everything.

[NurseJackie]

39. Belittling Covid victims? Nobody is doing that.

It is not okay to belittle those who contract COVID.

Belittling Covid victims? Nobody is doing that. I do, however, strongly approve of ridiculing, mocking and poking-fun at the anti-vaxxers who discourage others from getting vaccines, who are militant with their anti-mask tirades and who get violent with everyone from medical care-givers to clerks, wait-staff and shop-keepers.

Pretending everyone who gets sick or even wants to be tested is an anti-vaxxer or somehow deserves to be sick is a self-delusionary lie.

Who's doing that? Nobody is doing that that I can see.

[iemanja]

41. It's been at the top of GD for over 12 hours

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16237077

[NurseJackie]

44. A message-board troll. That's ugly behavior...

... but, honestly, I see no evidence that this is widespread or commonplace in real-life.

[iemanja]

47. He's been on DU a very long time. nt

[NurseJackie]

48. Yes... but not always visible...

(see your PM for further info)

[Dorian Gray]

59. That was definitely

a troll....

I saw this post before that so I was confused. Here in the Northeast, everyone I know had family members get it. Small town. Big City. Grandparents. Parents. Kids. It ripped through. Finally in the last few days we've had a respite. Seems we've peaked and now it's spreading out west.

If you get it, no need to panic. There has been some great news about it released. Anybody who has gotten a vaccine has primed their body to do the work of fighting this thing off.
Yay.

[uponit7771]

46. "top of GD"' means nothing

[bluestarone]

51. I see this, BUT the person is getting lots of push back, which was needed!

After reading his response to others, I DO NOT consider this person to be a TRUE DEMOCRAT! (MY OPINION ONLY)

[Tommy Carcetti]

42. I got it.

Vaxxed and boosted. I mask indoors in public and try to take precautions, but it slipped by me.

Thankfully it was incredibly mild for me. Just a drippy throat and some minor sinus pain. Essentially it was a 10 day vacation in my own guest room. Watched lots of television and caught up on reading.

Very glad I was vaxxed and boosted, because it probably wouldn't have been nearly as pleasant.

[iemanja]

45. I remember that

I'm glad it was so mild for you.

[Spider Jerusalem]

50. Lots of people who aren't vaccinated are dying

most of the loud anti-vaxxers are also terrible people with social media timelines full of far-right, racist, homophobic and transphobic memes. Fuck those people. Their deaths are no great loss to much of anyone.

[manicdem]

54. All vaccines.

It applies to all vaccines whether it's the measles, flu, etc. Virus gets into your body then body fights it off better due to the vaccine. So infection is the same for vaccinated or not, rather it's how well and how fast your body gets rid of the infection.

[Emile]

66. Vaccinated people are not dying

[iemanja]

67. Mostly no

My brother's case seems pretty mild, and he hasn't required hospitalization. That seems to be the case for the great majority of vaxxed people have gotten COVID. A very small percentage of vaccinated people have died, however. This article from August breaks down the details at that time. https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/8/10/22618163/covid-deaths-vaccinated-data-how-many-die

[Sympthsical]

68. It's so contagious, it only takes one person

We've more or less tracked down how we got it. A holiday gathering my partner had (that I stayed away from). Only six people. But one friend was apparently already sick and didn't tell anyone. The result was the other five getting it. Partner gave it to me and then his parents when he dropped presents off to them, who then brought it to the nephews.

So one guy had what he thought was a cold, and boom. Right now I know of ten people you can credibly trace back to that one guy.

I've seen some of the moral preening. It feels classist to me. People who have to go to work are very susceptible. "I'll never get Covid, because I'm awesome! People who get it must being living wrong, because they're stupid." Well congratulations on being financially capable of being a hermit. Most people cannot.

One thing I wonder about is the cloth masks. About a week or two before I got sick, we meant to go to Safeway. Place was absolutely jam packed. You couldn't social distance if you wanted to. If cloth masks aren't enough, I could easily see it spreading through stores like that.

[iemanja]

71. Sorry to hear about your family

that sucks.
About masks, I now wear KN95 masks instead of cloth masks. I have been able to get them from Amazon. I wish you and everyone in your family a speedy recovery.

[Sympthsical]

72. Everyone's ok, thanks!

It blew through everyone in four to five days. Everyone was vaccinated, so just general bad cold misery for most. But all recovered and now traumatized about leaving the house, lol.

[roamer65]

70. I will continue to belittle antivax covidiots.

As they justly deserve.

[Xavier Breath]

73. Both my wife and I have been vaccinated

and gotten boosters, and are meticulous about masks, but we believe it still found us. Thankfully, we seem to have milder cases. In addition to the flu-like symptoms, my taste and smell both left me Sunday. Fortunately, they're gradually coming back. I got swabbed yesterday and hope to have the results in another day or two. It was difficult to even find a testing location because so many have closed due to Covid-related staffing shortages. Half of the urgent care locations near us are closed for that reason.

We won't chastise anyone who does all of the right things and yet still contracts Covid, because that's precisely what happened to us.

[maxsolomon]

75. Whatever post you were complaining about is gone.

I guess this one? https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216237077

In general, no one but assholes is belittling the triple-vaxxed for Omicron.

We're belittling unvaxxed loudmouths who contract it and die. Hoist by their own Petard.

[634-5789]

81. My 45 YO nephew who isn't vaxxed... gave my 79 YO brother Covid.

Haven't had the chance to hunt that fool down to kick his ignorant ass, but it's on my agenda. He's lost his mind, doing his 'own research' abiout the vaccine. Worst part: He works in a hospital, has to get checked every 48 hours instead of just taking a shot. here's no excuse and yeah, he's been kicked outa my will so enjoy getting nothing, jerk.