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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsExcellent George Conway comment on those forged electoral votes:
@gtconway3d
If people go to jail for fraudulently casting one person's vote, shouldn't they also go to jail for attempting to forge the votes of millions?
Link to tweet
Wounded Bear
(58,645 posts)MontanaMama
(23,307 posts)However, I am starting to lose confidence that anyone will do any time for any of this.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)I only say this because I saw the results of the latest quinnipiac poll... And I believe it was 61%, wanted the one six select committee to continue.
I know this won't happen probably but I wish we would hire a PR firm now to figure out the best approach for pulling the conclusion information together and getting it out to the people. There needs to be simple and succinct talking points for our best communicators.
MontanaMama
(23,307 posts)Dems tend to lack in the messaging department. Sad but true.
usaf-vet
(6,181 posts)The sign it. Why don't they require the same for something as important as this? I can just hear the pleadings when this gets investigated in depth. Well, that was not my signature. I know it is a small point but...... the hen scratching makes it hard to know what signed it.
lapfog_1
(29,199 posts)I am guessing they used the USPS to do it.
Mail Fraud
By FindLaw Staff | Reviewed by Evan Fisher, Esq. | Last updated December 27, 2021
Mail fraud is one of the most common federal criminal charges. The following article explains what constitutes the crime of mail fraud and provides several examples.
Definition of Mail Fraud
The term fraud refers to the use of intentional deception for monetary or personal gain. The federal crime of mail fraud involves two elements: " 1) a scheme to defraud, and (2) the mailing of a letter, etc., for the purpose of executing the scheme."
Mailing money, contracts, things of value, or communications regarding a fraudulent deal all meet the definition. The person who mailed it can be charged and those who knowingly participated can be charged.
Mail does not necessarily need to cross state lines in order to be the basis of a federal offense. Whether delivered by the United States Postal Service, a private carrier like FedEx, or a commercial interstate carrier, the mail is an instrument of interstate commerce. When used to commit a crime of deceit, the Commerce Clause of the Constitution grants the federal government jurisdiction.
Federal mail fraud charges have been used to prosecute both white-collar crimes and organized crime mobs. Mail fraud is often part of white-collar crime cases, like financial fraud, Ponzi schemes, credit card fraud, or insurance fraud.
The International Travel Act of 1961 brought mail fraud into organized crime cases. This federal statute prohibits the use of the mail for carrying out unlawful activity or distributing the proceeds of unlawful activity. The activities the statute applies to are:
Gambling
Liquor violations and narcotics
Bribery and corruption of local officials
Labor racketeering
Extortion
Penalties for Mail Fraud
Mail fraud is punishable by a fine and imprisonment for up to 20 years. Penalties are enhanced if the crime involves a financial institution or a presidential declaration of disaster or emergency. Those convicted of mail fraud can be fined up to $1 million and imprisoned for up to 30 years.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)I hope this indicates a positive trend.
soldierant
(6,846 posts)baddest kind of badass ... the kind who doesn''t look like one or sound like one, just quietly acts like one.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)The irony!!
tblue37
(65,319 posts)Link to tweet
@stelenj
Jan 13, 2022
Replying to @gtconway3d
They didn't hide that they were doing this on the day they signed it...why is it only news now?
@1proudliberal
Maybe because were just now finding out they actually sent them to the National Archives as opposed to posing for a pr stunt
Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)KS Toronado
(17,198 posts)and again no leaks to the media.
2naSalit
(86,534 posts)When I was listening to Biden's Georgia speech, I was glad he brought up the point about Rs accepting their own election victories on the same ballots that they claim were fraudulent in the POTUS race. That point needs to be pinned to the surface in the hypocrisy category.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)MontanaMama
(23,307 posts)and yet overlooked almost all the time.
2naSalit
(86,534 posts)tfg claiming that "you have to look at who signed the ballots..."
Nobody signs their ballot, it's illegal to require it on the ballot itself. In our state, if you do that, your ballot is thrown out.
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)was the 2020 election stolen?
so, should everyone who was elected in 2020 resign?
were you elected in 2020?
rownesheck
(2,343 posts)Nothing will happen to them.
dem4decades
(11,282 posts)onecaliberal
(32,824 posts)genxlib
(5,524 posts)That this was fully integrated into the overall coup attempt.
The Eastment memo outlined the strategy and it is all predicated on secondary electors. https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a37677592/trump-lawyer-memo-mike-pence-overturn-electoral-college/
The memo starts with the line 7 states have transmitted dual slates of electors to the President of the Senate.
Step 3 of the memo At the end, he announces that because of the ongoing disputes in the 7 States, there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those States.
There are at this point 232 votes for Trump, 222 votes for Biden. Pence then gavels President Trump as re-elected.
After expected protests, Step 4
Pursuant to the 12th Amendment, no candidate has achieved the necessary majority. That sends the matter to the House, where the the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote . . . . Republicans currently control 26 of the state delegations, the bare majority needed to win that vote. President Trump is re-elected there as well.
I think this is important to note because it certainly appears to be more than just a bunch of yahoos playing wishful thinking. They were laying the groundwork as part of an overall coordinated effort.
I would think that there have to be coordinating communications connecting all these people to the overall plan.
dem4decades
(11,282 posts)Heads better roll on this.
world wide wally
(21,740 posts)And we just sit and watch our precious democracy just slip sliding away.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)She got conflicting information on whether or not she was eligible to vote, cast a ballot, it got intercepted before it was counted, and off to the hoosegow for five years.
I think that should be the rock-bottom base line for every vote these miscreants tried to nullify: Five years per ballot.
XacerbatedDem
(511 posts)malaise
(268,929 posts)Rec
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Whoever, being a person employed in any administrative position by the United States, or by any department or agency .... uses his official authority for the purpose of interfering with, or affecting, the nomination or the election of any candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.
(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully
(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;
(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or
(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry;
shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both.
.... (5) the term domestic terrorism means activities that
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States; and
If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
malaise
(268,929 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)should not be 2 set's of law's ! wtf ! no one is above the law . give me a fucking break !
calimary
(81,212 posts)Should be.
Whether they WANT to is another matter entirely.
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)Not in months or years.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)That would be 2739 years for each day.
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)Rhiannon12866
(205,183 posts)Escurumbele
(3,386 posts)If people go to jail for fraudulently casting one person's vote, they most definitely should go to jail for attempting to forge the votes of millions.
Its not a question, should not be a question.
Blue Owl
(50,349 posts)LOCK 'EM UP!!!
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)lees1975
(3,845 posts)Yet another corrupt Republican politician.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)If anything happens I will be shocked.
Martin Eden
(12,863 posts)They and the other coup conspirators are worse than the morons who believed their lies and stormed our Capitol.